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What musical patterns can be found in this mysterious code?
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The discussion revolves around deciphering a musical code presented in an image, focusing on the patterns and structures within the sheet music. Participants explore various aspects of music notation and its implications for solving the puzzle.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants suggest that the image may need to be accessed via an external link due to issues with attached images in the forum.
- There is a discussion about whether knowledge of reading sheet music is necessary to solve the code, with differing opinions on the accessibility of the puzzle.
- One participant notes that all notes are 1/4 notes and are paired, questioning the relevance of this pairing and the time signatures indicated (3/4 and 6/8).
- Another participant analyzes the first measure, proposing it represents the words "pi" and "is," while the second measure might represent the number "3," though the exact interpretation remains uncertain.
- There is a suggestion that the code may not be a straightforward cryptogram due to inconsistencies in the letter pairings.
- Some participants express confusion over specific notations in the music, such as the "7's" and the significance of tempo markings, indicating a lack of clarity in the overall pattern.
- One participant attempts to translate the notes into piano notation, noting interesting trends but still struggling to identify a clear pattern.
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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether knowledge of sheet music is necessary, and there are multiple interpretations of the musical patterns and their meanings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the code.
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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of music notation and the varying levels of musical knowledge among participants, which may affect their interpretations of the code.
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davee123
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I think you may have to post an external link to the image-- for whatever reason attached images still don't work in the Brain Teasers forum!
DaveE
DaveE
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Jimmy Snyder
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You can see it by logging out, getting the image and then logging back in. Once you have gotten the image, you don't need to log out again to see it again (probably because it is cached locally).davee123 said:
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dontdisturbmycircles
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If for whatever reason you still can't see it Davee:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5909/sheetxc5.jpg
This looks like a hard one :-)
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5909/sheetxc5.jpg
This looks like a hard one :-)
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neutrino
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Thanks, ddc, you saved us some time. :-)
sanx, should the solver be endowed with the knowledge of reading sheet music to find the hidden code?
sanx, should the solver be endowed with the knowledge of reading sheet music to find the hidden code?
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davee123
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Huh! So it breaks for logged in users? That seems... strange.
As for the code, I dunno. Looks... interesting.
The notes are all 1/4 notes, and they're all paired up for some strange reason. No 1/8 notes or 1/2 notes or whole notes, and none tripled up or singled out. My guess is that the fact that they're 1/4 notes is irrelevant, but the fact that they're paired IS probably relevant. Although... it does specify 3/4 on one line, and 6/8 on another... so... that's probably relevant as well. Hm.
The measures are also... screwed up. The 1st line ends on a different measure than the .. uh.. "other" line (the base line? Forgive me for my only-gradeschool knowledge of music reading). And the 1st line ends prematurely, not on a full measure, while the 2nd line ends also prematurely, but at a different location?
The 1st measure seems to represent two words, "pi" and "is", which is in 4 pairs of notes:
CB, BB, FB, BB
The 2nd measure seems to represent "3", but I'm not sure if that's the first pair of notes, the whole first measure, or some other amount of note pairs (probably 1 or 5 if it's supposed to represent "3" or "three"):
CE FB EB DG
It's obviously not a straight cryptogram, because "pi" and "is" aren't consistent (since they share a common letter, and the pairings don't match that). But it could be a more complex cryptogram.
DaveE
As for the code, I dunno. Looks... interesting.
The notes are all 1/4 notes, and they're all paired up for some strange reason. No 1/8 notes or 1/2 notes or whole notes, and none tripled up or singled out. My guess is that the fact that they're 1/4 notes is irrelevant, but the fact that they're paired IS probably relevant. Although... it does specify 3/4 on one line, and 6/8 on another... so... that's probably relevant as well. Hm.
The measures are also... screwed up. The 1st line ends on a different measure than the .. uh.. "other" line (the base line? Forgive me for my only-gradeschool knowledge of music reading). And the 1st line ends prematurely, not on a full measure, while the 2nd line ends also prematurely, but at a different location?
The 1st measure seems to represent two words, "pi" and "is", which is in 4 pairs of notes:
CB, BB, FB, BB
The 2nd measure seems to represent "3", but I'm not sure if that's the first pair of notes, the whole first measure, or some other amount of note pairs (probably 1 or 5 if it's supposed to represent "3" or "three"):
CE FB EB DG
It's obviously not a straight cryptogram, because "pi" and "is" aren't consistent (since they share a common letter, and the pairings don't match that). But it could be a more complex cryptogram.
DaveE
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dontdisturbmycircles
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neutrino said:
No problem
I want to believe that you don't have to know how to read sheet music because most people don't (I don't have any idea :-( )and the poster would know this. Although it is strange that he changes the "cleff" and the numbers on the side.
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moose
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davee123 said:
1/8 notes...
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davee123
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moose said:
Doh, yep. I didn't realize that notes with the bars represented the same things as flags-- I thought it was some sort of transitional notation from one note to a somehow-connected note.
So, I translated a bit of it into what it would look like on a piano, and there's some interesting trends, but I don't see the pattern yet. After reading up a bit about music notation, I think the two pieces I don't quite get are the little "7's" up at the top left of two of the lower lines of music, and why the tempo notation should matter or be changed.
For the curious, here's what I found so far:
Code:
C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C
C
B
B
B
F
B
B
B
----------------------------------------------------------
C
E
F
B
E
B
D
G
----------------------------------------------------------
E
C
D
G
E
D
F
A
----------------------------------------------------------
E
A
E
E
==========================================================
B
G
C
A
D
B
F
B
----------------------------------------------------------
G
C
B
B
C
F
F
B
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A
G
A
E
C
F
C
E
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F
B
B
A
A
A
C
D
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A
D
==========================================================
C
B
A
A
C
E
----------------------------------------------------------
C
E
F
D
D
B
----------------------------------------------------------
C
A
G
E
C
D
----------------------------------------------------------DaveE
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