What will my population be in 1,000 years?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the future population size based on a starting population of 200 people, an average life expectancy of 35 years, and a yearly growth rate of 0.10 over a period of 1,000 years. Participants explore the implications of these parameters and the assumptions involved in the calculations.

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  • Some participants question how the survival time is distributed, suggesting that this could affect the population estimate.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the average life expectancy and how it relates to the birth and death rates within the population.
  • One participant proposes several possible death distribution scenarios, including immediate death for half the population and uniform death rates between certain ages.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding new entrants to the population and their life expectancy compared to the original population.
  • Some participants argue that the average life expectancy implies a constant death rate, while others caution against conflating mortality rates with future life expectancy without further information.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding population dynamics, particularly concerning the distribution of life expectancy and the implications for future population estimates. No consensus is reached on the correct approach or assumptions to use.

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Limitations include the lack of information on the age distribution of the population and the assumptions about the birth process and its relation to life expectancy. The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling population growth under varying conditions.

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If I have a starting population of 200 people with an average life expectancy of 35 and a yearly growth rate of .10, what will my population be in 1,000 years?
 
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annab said:
If I have a starting population of 200 people with an average life expectancy of 35 and a yearly growth rate of .10, what will my population be in 1,000 years?

Welcome to MHB!

Have you made any progress on the exercise? Anything in particular that you are struggling with?
 
annab said:
with an average life expectancy of 35
Could it be that the answer depends on how the survival time is assumed to be distributed?
 
Joppy

I haven’t made any progress on this problem, I don’t know where to start.

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Krylov

I don’t understand, can you explain the possible distributions to me and show me how to do it?
 
annab said:
Joppy

I haven’t made any progress on this problem, I don’t know where to start.

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Krylov

I don’t understand, can you explain the possible distributions to me and show me how to do it?

Hi annab! Welcome to MHB!

So we start with 200 people.
What will happen in the first year if no one dies?
That is, how many people will be born?
And how many people might we expect to die in the first year?
 
Average Lifetime of 35 years:
1) 1/2 die immediately and 1/2 die in 70 years.
2) Everyone lives exactly 35 years.
3) Deaths occur uniformly between 25 and 45 -- ~20 per year.
4) Infinitely many other possibilities.

We are told the ORIGINAL population has an average lifetime of 35 years. We are not told ANYTHING about those joining the group. If joining the group is defined as a birth process, it is very unlikely to support the assumption that new entrants have the same life expectancy as the original population.

More information or let's state the assumptions!
 
tkhunny said:
Average Lifetime of 35 years:
1) 1/2 die immediately and 1/2 die in 70 years.
2) Everyone lives exactly 35 years.
3) Deaths occur uniformly between 25 and 45 -- ~20 per year.
4) Infinitely many other possibilities.

We are told the ORIGINAL population has an average lifetime of 35 years. We are not told ANYTHING about those joining the group. If joining the group is defined as a birth process, it is very unlikely to support the assumption that new entrants have the same life expectancy as the original population.

More information or let's state the assumptions!

My interpretation: it just means that on average 1 person in 35 dies every year.
I believe the actual age distribution is not really relevant. And without information saying otherwise we should assume that the death rate is constant.
 
I like Serena said:
My interpretation: it just means that on average 1 person in 35 dies every year.
I believe the actual age distribution is not really relevant. And without information saying otherwise we should assume that the death rate is constant.
No objection. As long as we know its an ASSUMPTION. There is NOTHING in the problem statement that demands that it be so. We should also be careful not to conflate mortality rates with future life expectation. Since we are given expected future lifetime, we may have jumped a bridge inadvertently.
 

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