What's more surprising: Michael Steele or Barack Obama?

  • News
  • Thread starter LowlyPion
  • Start date
In summary, the conversation discusses the surprising outcomes of both Michael Steele becoming the Republican Party Chairman and Barack Obama becoming the first African-American President. While Obama's victory was seen as a historic moment, some questioned the likelihood of it happening. On the other hand, Steele's appointment as chairman was seen as an attempt by the Republican Party to appeal to minority voters, but some also expressed doubts about his qualifications and the direction of the party. Overall, both events were seen as significant changes in American politics.
  • #1
LowlyPion
Homework Helper
3,128
6
What's the more surprising: Michael Steele or Barack Obama?

Truly the historic note has been struck by the inauguration of the first African-American President. How likely was that? The tears of Americans on election eve who never thought in their lifetimes, and the outpouring, and attendance at the Mall for the inauguration, were ample testimony to the rara avis of it all.

But is maybe the election of Michael Steele as the Republican Party Chairman a more surprising outcome?

True he was helped no doubt by the incredibly insensitive Christmas CD circulated by one of the contenders for the same job with a "Barack the Magic Negro" diddie included, and by the runner-up in the election, who only the week before apparently resigned from his white's only country club, but that climate of participation only seems to suggest his selection is possibly a more bizarre bedfellow moment than Obama's victory.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
I think it suggests that their media advisors and damage limitation specialists are being paid.
 
  • #3
It is unusual that the heads of both parties are now African-American.

In the case of Barack Obama that really is fundamental change. Change adopted and embraced by the country in the General Election and the approval polls since.

Perhaps the selection of Steele however is an attempt by the Republicans to Oreo, themselves leaving blacks for the most part no real voice or affinity for the party still?

I was reading a Rasmussen poll suggesting that Republicans think they have been too moderate and that Sarah Palin is a better model to follow for the future than someone like McCain. (55 - 24)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/republicans_like_gop_s_conservative_direction_democrats_don_t
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #4
LowlyPion said:
It is unusual that the heads of both parties are now African-American.
He is chairman, more an adminsitrative than politcal role? It's not likely that he is their next presidential candidate. It's also a role that isn't very visible to the voters, or even to party members unless they want him to be.

Perhaps the selection of Steele however is an attempt by the Republicans to Oreo, themselves leaving blacks for the most part no real voice or affinity for the party still?
That normally just makes you look bad. The UK labour party (the supposedly left) found itself with no senior women members and was fighting an opposition that had a famous women prime minister for a decade - so it invented a cabinet level secretary for 'womens affairs'. Needless to say it didn't go down very well.
 
  • #5
I grant that it is not necessarily a stepping stone to great office. And it seems to be where the parties tuck candidates that have failed electorally (Dean being the latest Democrat for instance, and Steele having failed in a Senate bid), but still is seems bizarre to have the Republicans trying to be minority hip.
 
  • #6
LowlyPion said:
Truly the historic note has been struck by the inauguration of the first African-American President. How likely was that? The tears of Americans on election eve who never thought in their lifetimes, and the outpouring, and attendance at the Mall for the inauguration, were ample testimony to the rara avis of it all.
Something is historic just because it hasn't happened before - it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it is possible or surprising. So historic doesn't mean surprising. And I wasn't very surprised.

To me, the disbelief that many people - especially blacks - had about this speaks to an improper disbelief in the American Dream. One good thing about this, though - it takes away the excuses.

Regrading Michael Steele, mgb is right - it's marketing and also not very surprising.
 
  • #7
I guess the Republican house isn't totally down with Steele as Chairman.
DavidDuke said:
GOP traitors appoint Obama Junior as Chairman of the Republican Party ... I am glad these traitorous leaders of the Republican Party appointed this Black racist, affirmative action advocate to the head of the Republican party because this will lead to a huge revolt among the Republican base. As a former Republican official, I can tell you that millions of rank-and-file Republicans are mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore! We will either take the Republican Party back over the next four years or we will say, “To Hell With the Republican Party!” And we will take 90 percent of Republicans with us into a New Party that will take its current place!

I think the insanity of nominating “Mr. Amnesty” John McCain and now this Black racist — will lead to insurgency in the Republican ranks, and a lot of dissidents getting elected in Republican Party primaries around the country.

... Obama is bad enough as President, we will not stand for Obama junior to be head of the Republican Party
http://www.davidduke.com/general/gop-traitors-appoint-black-racist-as-chairman-of-the-republican-party_7443.html

Maybe the Republcans are just bent on marginalizing themselves even further?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #8
russ_watters said:
So historic doesn't mean surprising.

Of course it doesn't. Not today. And not even election eve.

Except of course I can remember a time that the suggestion that either of these things would happen would seem more like something Nostradamus would come up with than what more recent developments in this country would permit.

I note it wasn't all that long ago during the election that there was a thread here wondering if Obama didn't win whether a black ever could.
 
  • #9
LowlyPion said:
I guess the Republican house isn't totally down with Steele as Chairman.
http://www.davidduke.com/general/gop-traitors-appoint-black-racist-as-chairman-of-the-republican-party_7443.html

Maybe the Republcans are just bent on marginalizing themselves even further?

Steele is also allegedly the most moderate Republican in the house. I think with the 2006 and 08 elections, they realize that the party of Bush, Rush, Duke, Rove, DeLay, Cheney et al is dead, so they are doing what they can to avoid further promoting the image of the party of fringe extremists.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #10
LowlyPion said:
What's the more surprising: Michael Steele or Barack Obama?

Truly the historic note has been struck by the inauguration of the first African-American President. How likely was that? The tears of Americans on election eve who never thought in their lifetimes, and the outpouring, and attendance at the Mall for the inauguration, were ample testimony to the rara avis of it all.

But is maybe the election of Michael Steele as the Republican Party Chairman a more surprising outcome?

True he was helped no doubt by the incredibly insensitive Christmas CD circulated by one of the contenders for the same job with a "Barack the Magic Negro" diddie included, and by the runner-up in the election, who only the week before apparently resigned from his white's only country club, but that climate of participation only seems to suggest his selection is possibly a more bizarre bedfellow moment than Obama's victory.

i think Obama is more surprising. the republicans have an established track record of putting blacks in important positions. when i think back to Clinton's era, the first thing that comes to mind is Jocelyn Elders.
 
  • #11
However, with his appearance on This Week, this week, Jim Demint has convinced me that not all Republicans can be salvaged; or should be.
 
  • #12
Ivan Seeking said:
However, with his appearance on This Week, this week, Jim Demint has convinced me that not all Republicans can be salvaged; or should be.

Poor Jim Demint has only memorized the one line he thinks plays well in his state. "We don't want a government directed economy." He's apparently satisfied to see a toilet based economy - the fruits of his and his handler Lindsey Graham's spending during the Bush years.
 
  • #13
Proton Soup said:
i think Obama is more surprising. the republicans have an established track record of putting blacks in important positions. when i think back to Clinton's era, the first thing that comes to mind is Jocelyn Elders.

While it may be true that there has been tokenism in both parties, one needs to be under the influence of hallucinogenics to ever think that the Republican party has been the party of Blacks in the last half century.
 
  • #14
Upon signing the Civil Rights Act, LJB declared that they had just cost the Dems the South for the lives of everyone present. True or not, the South has belonged to the Republicans ever since.
 
  • #15
I don't know the exact numbers without looking it up, but since then and until 2000, blacks voted democratic by something like 90%. There was a ten percent or so drop for the first Bush election, but obviously the numbers rebounded with Obama.
 

Related to What's more surprising: Michael Steele or Barack Obama?

1. What is the significance of Michael Steele?

Michael Steele is a political figure who served as the first African American chairman of the Republican National Committee. He also served as the Lieutenant Governor of Maryland from 2003-2007.

2. Why is Michael Steele surprising?

Michael Steele is considered surprising due to his position as a Republican leader and his historical role as the first African American chairman of the RNC, which is traditionally a predominantly white and conservative organization.

3. What is the significance of Barack Obama?

Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States and the first African American to hold the position. He served two terms from 2009-2017 and is known for his progressive policies and historic election.

4. Why is Barack Obama surprising?

Barack Obama is considered surprising due to his background as a biracial individual and his rise to the highest office in the country, breaking racial barriers and challenging traditional notions of who can be a successful politician.

5. Who is more surprising between Michael Steele and Barack Obama?

This is a subjective question and can vary based on personal opinions. Both Michael Steele and Barack Obama have achieved significant accomplishments and broken barriers in their respective political careers, making them equally surprising in their own ways.

Back
Top