What's the matter with a Particle Zoo?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the "Particle Zoo" in particle physics, exploring the implications of particle diversity and the role of symmetry and asymmetry in theoretical frameworks. Participants engage in a conceptual examination of how physicists might approach the classification and understanding of particles, drawing parallels with biological classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Particle Zoo could be viewed as a subset of a highly symmetric extension, questioning why physicists cannot adopt a more flexible approach similar to biologists.
  • Others express confusion about the initial premise, asking for clearer explanations of the concepts being discussed.
  • One participant suggests that while a non-symmetric world may not need to be derived from symmetry groups, doing so could render much theoretical speculation irrelevant.
  • Another participant argues that if asymmetry is considered fundamental, then the study of symmetries remains important for understanding how they can be introduced and subsequently broken.
  • A participant introduces the idea that the diversity of particles might suggest a simpler underlying ruleset, akin to how atoms can form a vast array of chemical structures.
  • Questions are raised regarding the stability of certain particles compared to others, indicating a curiosity about the underlying principles governing particle behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of symmetry and asymmetry in understanding the Particle Zoo, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of symmetry and asymmetry, as well as the implications of a "simplistic base ruleset," are not fully explored, leaving certain aspects of the discussion unresolved.

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If it looks like a Particle Zoo, swims like a Particle Zoo, and quacks like a Particle Zoo, it's a subset of a highly symmetric extension, right?

What's the matter with it just being a Particle Zoo? The Biologists get on just fine talking about family trees and possible extensions without requiring that their zoo be made up of perfectly formed machines. Is there something preventing Physicists from doing this?
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you perhaps speak more plainly?
 
LukeD said:
If it looks like a Particle Zoo, swims like a Particle Zoo, and quacks like a Particle Zoo, it's a subset of a highly symmetric extension, right?

What's the matter with it just being a Particle Zoo? The Biologists get on just fine talking about family trees and possible extensions without requiring that their zoo be made up of perfectly formed machines. Is there something preventing Physicists from doing this?
You seem to be asking why such a non-symmetric world has to be derived from symmetry groups. In many cases it doesn't, but this would make a lot of theoretical speculation irrelevant.
 
clem said:
You seem to be asking why such a non-symmetric world has to be derived from symmetry groups. In many cases it doesn't, but this would make a lot of theoretical speculation irrelevant.

I disagree. If asymmetry is taken as fundamental, then symmetries still need to be studied so that they can be inserted and then broken.
 
LukeD said:
I disagree. If asymmetry is taken as fundamental, then symmetries still need to be studied so that they can be inserted and then broken.
Why?
 
The particle zoo infers a more simplistic base ruleset, like atoms creating an almost infinite amount of chemical contraptions.

Why are some particles more stable than others?
 

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