Who Invented Kung Fu? History & Origins

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The discussion centers around the origins and history of Kung Fu, exploring various perspectives on its invention and evolution. Participants examine the connections between different martial arts styles, historical figures, and cultural influences, while also addressing the ambiguity surrounding definitive origins.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Kung Fu does not have a single inventor, as it has evolved from various martial arts traditions over time.
  • One viewpoint highlights that Shaolin Kung Fu is derived from Indian martial arts, which were refined in China, and that each style typically has its own founder.
  • Another participant mentions Bruce Lee's contributions, noting that he developed Jeet Kune Do by combining elements from existing styles, including Wing Chun.
  • Some humorously speculate about the motivations and backgrounds of those who might have invented Kung Fu, suggesting they may have been trainers for armies or entertainers.
  • References to Kalaripayattu are made, with claims that it is the 'mother of all martial arts' and that Bodhidharma brought it to China, although this is noted to be based more on myths than established facts.
  • Several participants share links to Wikipedia articles, indicating a reliance on online resources for information about the history of Kung Fu and Chinese martial arts.
  • There is a distinction made between the terms "Kung Fu" and "Wu Shu," with some participants noting that "Kung Fu" is a popular Western term while "Wu Shu" is more commonly used in China.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origins of Kung Fu, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about historical figures and the evolution of martial arts are noted to be based on myths or lack definitive evidence, indicating potential limitations in the sources referenced.

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The title pretty much says it all, anybody know who invented Kung Fu?
 
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Martial arts has a very long and storied history in many countries, kingdoms and empires. I don't think there's a definitive answer. Shaolin Kung fu in China is a derivative of Indian martial arts that were further refined into what we see today. Other styles such a Tai chi are known to be village arts from a specific family. Every style will have its founder and the founder will have learned an earlier style which he/she didn't like and so improved and renamed it.

A more recent example is Bruce Lee who's basic style was Wing Chun (developed by the Shaolin Nun Ng Mui) which he combined with many other existing styles both western and eastern to create Jeet Kune Do (way of the intercepting fist).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_chun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeet_kune_do

Martial arts goes through a form of evolution dropping techniques that don't work and replacing them with better techniques that do and from time adopting the name of teacher.
 
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Someone who had a lot of free time.
 
Akaisora said:
Someone who had a lot of free time.

I suspect they got paid to teach by being a trainer for some private or regional army especially if they were good. Nowadays they go into acting and use a lot of wires.
 
In the US, it was David Carradine.
 
SteamKing said:
In the US, it was David Carradine.

Except Bruce Lee as Kato in the Green Hornet was what got me interested. The Kung Fu tv show was the idea of Bruce Lee. He pitched it to the studio, they rejected the idea thinking Bruce wouldn't be able to attract an audience. They resurrected it and picked Caradine as the lead.
 
mesa said:
The title pretty much says it all, anybody know who invented Kung Fu?

The people who invented zero...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parashurama#Kalaripayattu
Kalaripayattu is known as the 'mother of all martial arts'.[18]
Bodhidharma, the founder of Zen Buddhism, also practiced kalaripayattu. When he traveled to China to spread Buddhism, he brought the martial art with him, which in turn was adapted to become the basis of Shaolin Kung Fu

EDIT: some further research shows this to be based more on myths than facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bodhidharman_(Kung_Fu_Founder)
 
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Evo said:

I just googled "Kung Fu".

Chinese martial arts, colloquially referred to as kung fu or gung fu (Chinese: 功夫; pinyin: gōngfu), and wushu (simplified Chinese: 武术; traditional Chinese: 武術; pinyin: wǔshù), are a number of fighting styles that have developed over the centuries in China.
 
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Evo said:
I just googled "Kung Fu".

I'm trying to cut back on Google :)
 
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One other thing to note is that while kung fu is the popular western term, in China they would use wu-shu (martial arts) or more properly "kung fu wu shu" ie having a skilled achievement in martial arts for a practitioner.
 

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