Why can't one metre be more than one metre?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the philosophical implications of measurement, specifically questioning the nature of what constitutes a metre. The inquiry explores whether it is conceivable for a measurement to include additional, unaccounted-for length, challenging the fixed definition of a metre.

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  • Philosophical exploration
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where a measurement of one metre could actually contain additional, unmeasured length, questioning the rigidity of measurement definitions.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the implications of the initial proposition, asking what it means for a measurement to include "invisible" length.
  • A further response emphasizes the importance of logical consistency in measurements, asserting that one metre cannot equal 1.03 metres without redefining the measurement system.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of discussing the topic further if it does not adhere to logical principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial proposition about measurement, with some asserting that a metre must remain a metre, while others question the implications of measurement philosophy. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of measurement and the philosophical underpinnings of definitions. There are unresolved questions about the nature of measurement and its relationship to physical reality.

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Hello,

Recently, I have been trying to work on some philosophy that I am developing, and the subject of measurement has come up.

My question goes a bit like this:
Suppose that it turned out that when you measure point A to point B as exactly 100cm (one metre), there are actually three invisible centimetres (just an example number) in that 100cm. Therefore you would still be using the standard decimal system as reference, as it would still be described as a metre, but there are actually three extra centimetres so that you call it 103cm.

I have been told that this is not possible, and the reason I was given is: "one metre is one metre, it can't be 103 cm unless you were to change the whole system."

What I then tried to say, is that what if measurements of length actually measured matter to some degree. For example, we can say that we are measuring the length of matter from point A to point B. What if there was an extra 3cm of matter that we hadn't accounted for?

I got the same answer: that this would be impossible because a metre is a metre.

Can people at the physics forums explain why?
 
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jomsur said:
Suppose that it turned out that when you measure point A to point B as exactly 100cm (one metre), there are actually three invisible centimetres (just an example number) in that 100cm.
What does that mean?
 
DrClaude said:
What does that mean?
Philosophy.
 
If it doesn't make sense, why not?
 
jomsur said:
I have been trying to work on some philosophy
Even philosophers should stick with logic whenever possible. ##1=1## but ##1\ne 1.03##. It doesn't matter if you are talking about meters or seconds or apples or pure numbers.

Beyond simply stating the facts, there is not much we can discuss within the rules of the forum. So the thread is closed
 

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