Why do atoms undergo alpha and beta decay?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why atoms undergo alpha and beta decay, focusing on the stability of atomic nuclei, the roles of protons and neutrons, and the forces at play within the nucleus. The conversation includes theoretical aspects of nuclear stability and decay processes.

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  • One participant suggests that large nuclei experience significant electrostatic repulsion among protons, which can lead to instability when the repulsive forces exceed the strong nuclear forces between nucleons.
  • Another participant explains that beta minus decay occurs when a neutron converts to a proton, releasing energy, and this process is influenced by the energy levels of protons and neutrons within the nucleus.
  • A participant questions whether the two types of beta decay help control the neutron-proton ratio and discusses the implications of having too many neutrons or protons in terms of stability.
  • There is a mention of stability regions on a neutron-proton graph, where stable nuclei tend to have a higher neutron-to-proton ratio, but an excess of neutrons can lead to beta minus decay, while excess protons increase instability due to electrostatic repulsion.

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Participants generally agree on the role of forces within the nucleus and the concept of energy levels for protons and neutrons, but there are ongoing questions about the implications of beta decay and the stability of nuclei, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between neutron and proton ratios and their impact on stability, as well as the specific mechanisms of decay processes. There are also assumptions about the energy levels of nucleons that are not fully explored.

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My understanding of what makes an atom unstable is this:

Large nuclei will have a high number of protons, and as a result there will be large amount of electrostatic repulsion between the protons in the nucleus. So when the nucleus is too large (too many protons) The electrostatic repulsive forces between the protons is greater than the strong nuclear forces that are acting between quarks in neighboring nucleons. (The strong force is obviously strong in each individual nucleon, but is less strong between the quarks which are not in the same nucleon)

So when an atom needs to become more stable, it needs to reduce the size of its nucleus, and it can do this via alpha decay. Or it can reduce the repulsive forces present in the nucleus by undergoing beta plus decay, which changes an up quark to a down quark, and as a result turns a proton into a neutron.

(But Beta minus decay turns a neutron to proton, so isn't that particular decay a step towards instability?)

Would be grateful if someone could make this clear for me. Thanks in advance.
 
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That description is fine.
LotusTK said:
(But Beta minus decay turns a neutron to proton, so isn't that particular decay a step towards instability?)
A nucleus has separate energy levels for protons and neutrons, and they get filled starting from the lowest energy levels. If you have too many neutrons compared to protons, you have to fill quite high-energetic neutron states, while proton states at lower energy stay unfilled. That makes beta- decay possible - a neutron converts to a proton, which releases energy (and an electron and an antineutrino).
 
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Thanks for the reply.

I didnt know protons and neutrons had energy levels, i thought that was only for electrons.

So would i be correct in saying that the two types of beta decays control the neutron proton ratio?

And by looking at a neutron to proton graph which shows "regions" of stability and instability, stable nuclei have more neutrons than protons, which makes sense because the strong nuclear force argument i mentioned above. But having too many neutrons will make the atom unstable as it will be vulnerable to beta minus decay. And the reason why you can have too many neutrons is because of those energy levels you mentioned? I suppose the same is also true for protons, but you can also say that its worse to have more protons in terms of instability because of the electrostatic repulsion between the protons.
 
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