Why Do Bubbles in Guinness Sink? An Exploration of the Surprising Phenomenon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the phenomenon of bubbles sinking in Guinness beer, contrasting it with the behavior of bubbles in other beverages. Participants examine the underlying principles, potential mechanisms, and related observations, including comparisons to champagne and raisins.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that bubbles in Guinness appear to rise in the center of the glass but sink along the edges, questioning the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Another participant draws a parallel to raisins sinking in champagne, prompting further inquiry into whether similar principles apply.
  • A different participant points out that raisins are heavier than champagne, suggesting that weight may influence bubble behavior.
  • One participant proposes that the upward movement of bubbles creates an upward current in the beer, necessitating a corresponding downward current.
  • A later reply references experimental work from Stanford and Edinburgh, asserting that bubbles sink due to a drag force and suggesting that this behavior is not unique to Guinness but applies to other draught beers as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanisms behind the sinking bubbles, with some proposing explanations based on drag forces and currents, while others raise questions about weight and turbulence. No consensus is reached on the definitive cause of the phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on experimental findings, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of the mechanisms involved or the assumptions underlying the observations.

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How is it that the bubbles in my favorite beverage sink, unlike any other beer. After a couple minutes of research I found that the bubbles rise in the center of the pint glass but they fall along the edges which is what you see. I understand this principle with heat convection, but not with bubbles! What's going on here?

All wrong answers owe me a fresh pint. (for experimental purposes):smile:
 
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Why do raisons do the same thing when champagne is poured into a glass with raisons in it?
 
Yeah but raisins are heavier than the champagne...
The bubbles seem to go down way after the pour, when i can't imagine there is still that much turbulence in the beer.
 
If bubbles rise to the top it creates a current moving up in the beer. For there to be a current going up there must be an equal current flowing down.
 
here is a page by the group in Stanford who along with researchers in Edinburgh who did the experimental work which
a) demonstrates that the bubbles really do go down due to a drag force as mentioned by GOD_AM.
b) links to an article to the researcher who devised the mathmatical model explain the mechanism involved.

what i think is great is that this is not a property of guiness inherently, it is a property of any draught fow beers... which i always take an oportunity to order just because most tend to be tasty and are so much fun to watch...

so here is the link without further ado:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/Zarelab/guinness/index.html"
 
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