Why do doctors and lawyers make more money than physicists?

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Physicists, engineers, programmers, and scientists generally earn lower salaries compared to doctors and lawyers, with averages around $50K for beginners and up to $120K for seniors. The disparity in pay is attributed to the economic viability of their work, as doctors and lawyers often engage in high-stakes, financially lucrative practices. Despite extensive education and training, the contributions of scientists are often undervalued in society, with many people prioritizing entertainment and sports over scientific advancements. The historical influence of organizations like the AMA has also played a role in elevating doctors' salaries, suggesting a need for similar advocacy for scientists. Ultimately, the discussion highlights a broader issue of societal values and economic priorities that affect compensation across professions.
  • #91
Umm western society looking down us didn't begin in the 20th century. It was going on atleast to the 1400s.

Scienc eas always at a complete disagreeal with religion. The Church in Europe was totally into the idea that there was a God that created the Earth in 7 days, made man in Eden only 5,000 years ago and the Earth was flat. Any one one who didn't believe this was just adeplorable person.

Although around but few the scientests and freethinkers believed that we came from apes,the Earth was round,it's 5 billion years old,we're not the center of the universe, and other ideas that sounded absurdly crazy at the time but we now know are true. At the forefront of tis movement were the scientests that got their names in the historybook and were tourted, imprisoned,over even executed for their radical thoughts.
Sir Issaac Newton,Galelieo,Capernicus,Darwin,Columbus,and even Nostradamus.
 
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  • #92
I HATE THIS THREAD!

I dislike the tone that it takes, and I dislike the self-centeredness that it assumes.

If the ONLY way that one can justify one's importance is by degrading and belittling other profession, then one DESERVES to be ostricized and dismissed by the public. I can't believe that we have to resort to such tactics. Why can't you just show the vital contribution a profession makes and why it is so important, rather than trying to show why such and such a profession is less important and less "difficult", whatever that means.

This thread is embarrassing, and an embarrassment to PF in my opinon.

Zz.
 
  • #93
IYO right? Nowhere was I belittling them. If anyone get's itit's scientests. In a nutshell they can work really hard and not get paid nearly as much.

Amd FYI doctors are study lots but don't apply it. FOr years I sat in the doctors office and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me when I had the idea all the time. I tried to tell my psychologist idea that I was having a certain problem but she just looked at me like I was one. They just set you down,ask you dumb questions, try to change you around and take your money...all while not solving the problem! I mean how would I know hwhat's wrong with me, I'm only the person sitting inside of my body!

Now if we want to belittle somebody I'd go with businessmen and politicians.
 
  • #94
Line said:
Scienc eas always at a complete disagreeal with religion. The Church in Europe was totally into the idea that there was a God that created the Earth in 7 days, made man in Eden only 5,000 years ago and the Earth was flat. Any one one who didn't believe this was just adeplorable person.

I wasn't going to post on this thread, but I really don't think you know what you're talking about at all, because what you said above is completely false. You should try reading some history before you make blanket statements like that.

And that ends my involvement on this post, because I too dislike it very much.
 
  • #95
Line said:
IYO right? Nowhere was I belittling them. If anyone get's itit's scientests. In a nutshell they can work really hard and not get paid nearly as much.

Amd FYI doctors are study lots but don't apply it. FOr years I sat in the doctors office and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me when I had the idea all the time. I tried to tell my psychologist idea that I was having a certain problem but she just looked at me like I was one. They just set you down,ask you dumb questions, try to change you around and take your money...all while not solving the problem! I mean how would I know hwhat's wrong with me, I'm only the person sitting inside of my body!

Now if we want to belittle somebody I'd go with businessmen and politicians.


You would be dead without doctors, you know that right? Sure, scientists develop medicines, but its the doctors who are responsible for learning when to use it effectively and how it will affect you. Sure, scientists developed penicilin, but if your allergic to penicillin, its you doctors, job to find another antibiotic that will work effectively against that pathogen.

This whole debate is like saying which is more important in a computer, software or hardware. Both are important, the computer wouldn't exist and function without both. Without hardware, it wouldn't physically be there, and without software it would just be a useless circuit. So let this thread die.
 
  • #96
ZapperZ said:
I HATE THIS THREAD!

I dislike the tone that it takes, and I dislike the self-centeredness that it assumes.

If the ONLY way that one can justify one's importance is by degrading and belittling other profession, then one DESERVES to be ostricized and dismissed by the public. I can't believe that we have to resort to such tactics. Why can't you just show the vital contribution a profession makes and why it is so important, rather than trying to show why such and such a profession is less important and less "difficult", whatever that means.

This thread is embarrassing, and an embarrassment to PF in my opinon.

Zz.

You have to agree, though, lawyers are pretty useless. :wink:
 
  • #97
Poop-Loops said:
You have to agree, though, lawyers are pretty useless. :wink:

If I were a lawyer, I'd sue you for saying that. Intentional infliction of emotional distress.
 
  • #98
G01 said:
This whole debate is like saying which is more important in a computer, software or hardware. Both are important, the computer wouldn't exist and function without both. Without hardware, it wouldn't physically be there, and without software it would just be a useless circuit. So let this thread die.

But what if physics is the computer and the medical doctor is the software? Wouldn't it seem odd thatthe software is valued more than the whole of the system?
 
  • #99
Precisley. You guys are scientests but haven't learned how to read.
Nowhere in this topic have I said doctors weren't important. With some
fundemental understanding you'd see that I was only saying that scientests are just as important as doctors but get often are paid far less. Besides I think Science is waaay harder.

And as for Religion, there's now way at all that you could know about History or Science without knowing that tons and tons of people were executed for believing views that were unorthadox. I could even get into the genocidesinquisitions,and senslavement all do to religious bigotry but that's an entirly different argument. Don't you know how many people were burned at the stake for believing that the world is round?
 
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  • #101
G01 said:
You would be dead without doctors, you know that right? Sure, scientists develop medicines, but its the doctors who are responsible for learning when to use it effectively and how it will affect you. Sure, scientists developed penicilin, but if your allergic to penicillin, its you doctors, job to find another antibiotic that will work effectively against that pathogen.

This whole debate is like saying which is more important in a computer, software or hardware. Both are important, the computer wouldn't exist and function without both. Without hardware, it wouldn't physically be there, and without software it would just be a useless circuit. So let this thread die.
Well, with physicists and engineers you have a working modern society even if you don't have doctors, but with just doctors you are in the stone age, so it is clear that the scientists matter more.
 
  • #102
Plastic Photon said:
But what if physics is the computer and the medical doctor is the software? Wouldn't it seem odd thatthe software is valued more than the whole of the system?

The point that I was trying to make was that both doctors and scientists are part of a greater whole and each do there job. Whether one is easier than the other is a matter of opinion. I have a friend who loves computer science and finds it easy. I find it hard. I like physics, but i from what I hear the biology labs at my school sound much more challenging than the physics labs I take. But that's my OPINION. Yes, physics is definitely the most important science considering it is thefundamental science, but that doesn't make a physicst any more important than any other person in society. The laws of physics will still be there without him.

Hell A physicist wouldn't be able to function without garbage collectors because they would be too busy disposing all of their trash.

I'm sorry, but if you want to be a physicist in order to be more important than someone else, you are mistaken, because you won't be.
 
  • #103
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that physics is the most important science, except historically where of course it is. I would say that honor goes to artificial intelligence at the moment.
 
  • #104
First thing you know the easier things are the more complex they are.


I always wonder who would be better off, businessman trying to a scientest's job or a scientest trying to do a businessman's job.
 
  • #105
Neither. Different thinking patterns and goals. I would absolutely HATE to be a business person. The whole concept makes me cringe. Being a part-time salesperson is bad enough. Doing it full time on a huge scale would make me want to commit suicide. Tiptoeing around problems, making up excuses, and outright lying are the bread and butter of businesspeople. I hate that. If I ever start some physics/techinology related business, I will fire anybody who tries to do that and will FORCE people to b!tchslap me if I do.

Then again, if a businessman sees all those numbers and letters and symbols, he will pee his pants.
 

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