Why do we say black holes vanish if their mass decreases with hawking radiation?

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The discussion centers around the concept of black holes and their potential evaporation due to Hawking radiation. Participants explore the implications of mass loss on the definition and existence of black holes, as well as theoretical considerations regarding quantum black holes and their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notion that black holes vanish as their mass decreases due to Hawking radiation, suggesting that a black hole should stop emitting radiation once its mass is sufficiently low.
  • Another participant argues that black holes can theoretically exist at any mass, as long as their volume is small enough, and that general relativity predicts mass confinement to a point, allowing them to remain black holes during evaporation.
  • A participant recalls a past article suggesting that quantum black holes may have formed during the Big Bang but have since evaporated.
  • One participant proposes a speculative idea that future theories of quantum gravity might establish the electron's mass as the minimum for a charged black hole.
  • Another participant builds on this idea, suggesting that if the electron were the smallest charged black hole, it could unify gravity and particle physics, though they acknowledge this may be unlikely and propose that the Planck mass is a more probable minimum.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of mass loss for black holes and the theoretical minimum mass for black holes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Participants discuss the unresolved nature of quantum theory and general relativity in relation to black holes, highlighting limitations in current understanding and definitions.

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it's been said because of hawking radiation,black hole evaporates and vanishes..but when black hole's energy is decreased by hawking radiation,its mass is also decreased,and at some point,it will have less mass and it cannot be a black hole and it should stop emitting hawking radiation then why we are saying black hole vanishes?
 
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it will have less mass and it cannot be a black hole
Blackholes can be any mass (in theory) as long as the volume is sufficiently small. What happens inside a black hole is unsettled because quantum theory and gen. relativity don't work together. However, ignoring quantum theory, GR predicts that all the mass is confined to a single point, so that as it evaporates it remains a black hole.
 
Quantum Black Holes?

I seem to remember that I read a SCIAM article several years ago that stated that quantum black holes would have been created during the Big Bang, but have all evaporated in the billions of years since then.
 
Crazy idea - but suppose when they find a workable quantum gravity theory, it turns out the minimum possible mass of a charged black hole is that of the electron?
 
shelanachium said:
Crazy idea - but suppose when they find a workable quantum gravity theory, it turns out the minimum possible mass of a charged black hole is that of the electron?


Black hole or not, the electron is the smallest charged particle there is, according to current theory.
 
That's the point. If it were also the smallest possible charged black hole as well, gravity and particle-physics would be happily married. But probably crazy, as I said. The smallest possible black hole more likely to be the Planck mass, very much more than that of the electron!
 

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