Why don't any stars "look" red? red shift

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The discussion revolves around the observation of stars and their apparent colors, specifically addressing why many stars do not appear red despite the phenomenon of redshift associated with distant galaxies. Participants explore concepts related to the expansion of the universe, the nature of light from stars, and the visibility of different wavelengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the stars visible at night are primarily from our own galaxy and are not subject to redshift due to the expansion of the universe.
  • Others argue that if one could see stars from other galaxies, they might appear redder due to redshift.
  • One participant mentions that many stars, such as Betelgeuse and Antares, do indeed appear reddish, suggesting that the perception of color varies among stars.
  • Another participant explains that the color of stars is related to their surface temperature, with red stars being cooler than white stars.
  • Concerns are raised about the visibility of redshift effects through amateur telescopes, with some suggesting that the redshift may be too small to notice and that distant galaxies would still appear white to the naked eye.
  • Participants discuss the visibility of redshift in distant quasars and the potential for observing reddish tints in deep field images from the Hubble Space Telescope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the visibility of redshift in stars and galaxies, with some asserting that redshift is not noticeable in nearby stars while others highlight the existence of reddish stars. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall perception of color in stars and the effects of redshift.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on the definitions of visibility and the conditions under which observations are made, such as the limitations of amateur telescopes and the atmospheric effects on light observation.

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Universe is expanding/galaxies moving away from each other and far away galaxies are moving away from us faster. so the light is redshifted. .."at very large redshifts, much of the ultraviolet and visible light from distant sources is shifted into the infrared part of the spectrum. This means that infrared studies can give us much information about the ultraviolet and visible spectra of very young, distant galaxies" If some stars/galaxies are so red shifted that viewing infrared shows more -- why do some stars not "look red"? When my kids look at sky at night - stars all look cosmic latte. this question came up... I can't figure this out, so I'm posting. thx!
 
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The stars you see at night are the ones in our own galaxy. These stars are not expanding away from us.
If you had good enough eyes to see stars in other galaxies, you'd see them as more red.
 
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DuckAmuck said:
The stars you see at night are the ones in our own galaxy. These stars are not expanding away from us.
If you had good enough eyes to see stars in other galaxies, you'd see them as more red.
oh! thank you! that was easy. what a great forum - my first post. I should have probably thought of that ... but how nice to get a such a quick answer to something. :)
 
just wandering said:
why do some stars not "look red"?

Also, before trying to figure out why something is true, it is important to figure out if it is true. Many stars look reddish. Betelgeuse and Antares are two that are relatively easy to find in the sky. Betelgeuse is particularly nice because it is in Orion, which also has Rigel as a bright star of a different color. Betelgeuse is reddish and Rigel is blueish.
 
And if your kids ask you why some stars are indeed red, you can tell them it is because their surface temperature is only red-hot, rather than white-hot (the latter being a higher surface temperature, like the filament in a light bulb compared to an element on an electric stove). And if your kids ask you why hotter things look whiter, tell them it is because light comes in tiny bundles of energy called photons, and the bluer ones have more energy per photon and require a higher temperature to make. Having curious kids will lead you into all kinds of interesting discoveries!
 
Isnt the redshift of anything an amateur telescope can see too small to notice anyway?

Wouldn't even fast moving galaxies still appear white to our eyes? Galaxies aren't just putting off visible light, it's putting out UV too. The entire spectrum just shifts over, but we'd still perceive it as white until it got to such a speed where you hit a lull in the frequency. The hydrogen line is used to identify the exact redshift, not visual cues. Personally, I think Andromeda looks blueish.

Google Andromeda is UV, it's both really gorgeous and shows my point. It's not quite as bright, but if we were shifted into that spectrum a little, our eyes and brains would still see mostly white.
 
Indeed Andromeda is moving toward us anyway, but more to the point, you are correct that only distant quasars have enough redshift to appear red to our eye, if we could even see one peering through an extremely powerful telescope at a perfect site.
 
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A reddish tint to distant galaxies is evident in some of the HST deep field photos. The HST is, of course, the finest known available imaging platform, being of fairly large aperature and operating far beyond Earth's atmosphere. You may wish to show some of those images to the little ones to reinforce the concept of redshift. You can simulate the effect by overlaying images of nearby galaxies with a reddened transparency.
 

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