Why don't hardcore realists use MWI as their safe haven?

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The discussion revolves around the perspectives of hardcore realists regarding the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of MWI for local realism and the nature of measurements in quantum entanglement, examining whether MWI can be reconciled with a realist viewpoint.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the nature of measurements in entangled particles, suggesting that Alice and Bob independently decohere the particles, leading to a spectrum of states.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial understanding of the measurement process.
  • A participant questions why hardcore local realists do not adopt MWI, proposing that their interest may lie more in maintaining a classical worldview than in local realism.
  • A hardcore realist asserts that MWI does not serve as a safe haven, implying a rejection of its validity.
  • Another participant reiterates the rejection of MWI by hardcore realists, arguing that it contradicts the principles of local realism and does not provide a realistic interpretation of quantum theory.
  • A participant challenges the coherence of MWI with local realism, suggesting that if MWI is both Einstein-local and realistic, it leads to contradictions with Bell's inequality.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the compatibility of MWI with hardcore realism. While some participants reject MWI outright, others question the motivations behind local realists' reluctance to accept it.

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The discussion highlights the complexities of reconciling MWI with local realism, with unresolved assumptions about the definitions of realism and locality in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Just wanted to check if my understanding is correct.

So, it is not important who makes the measurement first of the entangled pair, Bob and Alice decohere the particle with each other independently, creating a "spectrum" or Alices and Bobs on each side. This is trivial, local and there are no surprises.

Without any communication between Alice and Bob, the sets of Alices and Bobs appears to be independent, however, when they communicate they decohere into pairs where some extra correlation reveals.

Is this sketch correct?
 
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But why hardcore local realists don't use MWI as their safe heaven? Is it because they are not actually interested in saving local realism, but rather classical view of the world?
 
I'm a hard core realist and there is nothing about MWI that I would describe as a safe haven.
 
Jilang said:
I'm a hard core realist and there is nothing about MWI that I would describe as a safe haven.

But why? It is local...

P.S.
I was thinking you (hardcore realists) are extinct already.
 
tzimie said:
But why hardcore local realists don't use MWI as their safe heaven?

Because for a hardcore realist MWI is hardcore nonsense. It is simply not a realistic interpretation of QT. Which follows logically from the claim that it is also Einstein-local but recovers quantum predictions. So, or the claim that it is Einstein-local or the claim that it is realistic is wrong - else Bell's inequality would follow. Given that above claims are made by MWI proponents, it is simply nonsense. And, given that there is indeed nothing in it which could be claimed to violate Einstein locality, it is simply not realistic.
 
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