Why is a leading figure of 1 so special in uncertainties?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the leading figure of 1 in the context of uncertainties in physics, particularly regarding the rules for rounding uncertainties and how they relate to significant figures. Participants explore various scenarios and rules of thumb for expressing uncertainties in measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that uncertainties should be rounded to one or two significant figures based on the leading digit, with a leading figure of 1 warranting two significant figures.
  • Others argue that the choice of significant figures is related to the relative precision of the uncertainty, noting that 2 is 100% more than 1, while 3 is only 50% more than 2.
  • A participant questions the basis for the 50% precision claim and provides examples to illustrate how uncertainties should be rounded based on their relative size to the measurement.
  • There is a discussion about the application of rounding rules, particularly when the uncertainty is close to 1, and whether to round to one significant figure or retain additional digits.
  • Some participants express confusion over the concept of constant relative precision and seek clarification on its implications for rounding uncertainties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of rounding rules for uncertainties, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the significance of the leading figure of 1. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise application of these rules in different scenarios.

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Participants highlight limitations in the clarity of rounding rules and the dependence on definitions of precision, which may vary in interpretation. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding specific examples of rounding uncertainties.

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"The uncertainty should be rounded off to one or two significant figures. If the leading figure in the uncertainty is a 1, we use two significant figures, otherwise we use one significant figure. Then the answer should be rounded to match."

"Here’s a rule of thumb you can rely on: round the uncertainty to one significant figure. Then round
the answer to match the decimal place of the uncertainty. One exception to the rule of thumb: If rounding the uncertainty to one significant figure would cause that figure to be a 1, then you keep the next digit as well."

Both the quotes are taken from leading universities such as Harvard, regarding the number of significant figures to keep (in uncertainties in Physics), and they both say the same thing.

So my question is: Why is a leading figure of 1 so special in uncertainties (in physics) that the said uncertainty deserves two significant figures, as opposed to just one sig fig?
 
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ILovePhysics! said:
Why is a leading figure of 1 so special in uncertainties (in physics) that the said uncertainty deserves two significant figures, as opposed to just one sig fig?
Look at it this way: 2 is 100% more than 1, while 3 is only 50% more than 2 (and progressively less). Thus, if your uncertainty estimate is better than 50% precise, you should include one extra digit if it is somewhere between 1 and 2.
 
Hmm I kinda get what you mean, but not entirely clear. Where are you getting the 50% from (...better than 50% precise)?

Say we get a value of 5.64 with uncertainty 0.73, we write our answer as 5.6+-0.7 because the extra 0.03 (only 4.3% of 0.7) is meaningless if we're already unsure about the 0.7? Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Now we have a value of 5.64 with uncertainty 0.13, we write our answer as 5.64+-0.13, because the 0.03 is actually 30% of 0.1? Is this what you mean?

But then what about 5.64 with uncertainty 0.98? According to the rules described we should not round the uncertainty to one sig fig (and cause the figure to be 1) and get an answer of 6+-1. Instead we should leave it as 5.64+-0.98. Why?
 
ILovePhysics! said:
Now we have a value of 5.64 with uncertainty 0.13, we write our answer as 5.64+-0.13, because the 0.03 is actually 30% of 0.1? Is this what you mean?
Yes.
ILovePhysics! said:
But then what about 5.64 with uncertainty 0.98? According to the rules described we should not round the uncertainty to one sig fig
Well, no. The rules are a bit sloppily described. It should be "If rounding the uncertainty down to one significant figure would cause that figure to be a 1, then you keep the next digit as well."
 
By the way - here is a list of numbers between 1 and 10 with constant relative precision (rounded to one decimal).

1.0
1.3
1.6
2.0
2.5
3.2
4.0
5.0
6.3
7.9
 
Hey you're reading taylor too!

Thanks for the answer btw I was actually curious about that rule too.
 
Svein said:
By the way - here is a list of numbers between 1 and 10 with constant relative precision (rounded to one decimal).

1.0
1.3
1.6
2.0
2.5
3.2
4.0
5.0
6.3
7.9
What do you mean by constant relative position? Could you kindly clarify?
Svein said:
Thus, if your uncertainty estimate is better than 50% precise, you should include one extra digit if it is somewhere between 1 and 2.
I still don't get where the 50% comes from. Thanks.
 
Also my example of 5.64 with uncertainty 0.98, is the correct answer 6+-1, or 5.6+-1.0?
 
Dimitri655 said:
Hey you're reading taylor too!
No, sorry. I just did some maths.
ILovePhysics! said:
What do you mean by constant relative position?
Precision, not position. Every number is about 27% greater than the previous number.
ILovePhysics! said:
Also my example of 5.64 with uncertainty 0.98, is the correct answer 6+-1, or 5.6+-1.0?
5.6 ± 1.
 

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