Why is the number of fixed points divisible by p in Cauchy's Theorem proof?

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The discussion revolves around a specific aspect of the proof of Cauchy's Theorem in group theory, particularly focusing on why the number of fixed points in a certain permutation is divisible by a prime number p that divides the order of the group G. Participants explore the implications of the size of a set A defined in the proof and the relationship between the sizes of cycles in a permutation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their confusion regarding the proof's assertion that the number of fixed points is divisible by p, given that |A| = pk.
  • Another participant suggests that the sequences where g1g2...gp=e fall into sets of p that are cyclic permutations of each other, implying a structure that relates to the divisibility by p.
  • A later reply indicates that removing non-fixed points from A still leaves a multiple of p, reinforcing the argument about the number of fixed points.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of elements of order p and their distribution in subgroups, suggesting a deeper connection to the structure of the group.
  • One participant references McKay's proof of Cauchy's theorem, providing a historical context to the discussion.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about accepting the divisibility statement as trivial, hinting at the complexity of the argument related to the primality of p.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof, with some agreeing on the implications of the structure of cycles while others remain uncertain about the triviality of the divisibility statement. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the argument.

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There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the proof and the specific definitions used, particularly regarding the nature of cycles and fixed points in the context of group theory.

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I'm going through the proof of Cauchy's Theorem in a textbook and I'm stuck on a particular point. I've tried looking at other proofs, but they all use the Orbit-Stabilizer Theorem or induction. The proof presented in the book probably uses the O-S Theorem, but not directly (since it's not been covered yet).

Let G be a finite group and p a prime dividing the order of G. Define the set A= \{ (g_{1},...,g_{p} ) : g_{i} \in G , g_{1}...g_{p} = 1 \} and a permutation \pi on A by \pi (g_{1},...,g_{p}) = (g_{2},...,g_{p},g_{1})
It shows that if g^p=1, then (g,...,g) is in A and is fixed by \pi, and that all other elements of A belong to cycles of size p. That's all fine. Then it shows |A| = |G|^{p-1} and so p divides |A|. Since all cycles have size 1 or p, the number of fixed points is also divisible by p. I don't understand this. Why does the fact that |A| = pk imply that the number of fixed points is also a multiple of p?

All I've been able to deduce is that kp = |A| = an_{1} + bn_{2} where n_{1}, n_{2} is the number of 1 cycles and p cycles, respectively.
Could someone clear this up for me, please?

(also in LaTeX, why are \pi and n_{1},n_{2} not aligned with the rest of the line, and the curly brackets not showing up in the code for the definition of A? EDIT: fixed now, thank you Gregg!)
 
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Bleys said:
(also in LaTeX, why are \pi and n_{1},n_{2} not aligned with the rest of the line, and the curly brackets not showing up in the code for the definition of A?)


use \{

A = \{ x : x^2=1\}

second, use itex tags instead of tex:

I like to talk about the number\pi during a sentence.
 
Bleys said:
...Then it shows |A| = |G|^{p-1} and so p divides |A|. Since all cycles have size 1 or p, the number of fixed points is also divisible by p. I don't understand this. Why does the fact that |A| = pk imply that the number of fixed points is also a multiple of p?
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The sequences g1,g2,...,gp (if any) where g1g2...gp=e and it isn't the case that g1=g2=...=gp fall into sets of p that are cyclic permutations of each other, because if g1g2...gp=e then g2g3...gpg1=e etc.

If we remove these from A, since |A| = pk that leaves some multiple m=rp of p sequences ggg...g of elements such that gp=e. One of these is eee...e, so r is not zero. Therefore there must be rp-1>0 elements of order p.

(Incidentally these fall into subgroups of order p that intersect only in the identity and each contains p-1 elements of order p, so you can also say rp-1=0 (p-1) or r=1 (p-1), so that the number of elements of order p is actually
(h(p-1)+1)p-1=(hp+1)(p-1) for some integer h.)

By the way, I believe this is McKay's proof of Cauchy's theorem , first published in American Mathematical Monthly, Vol.66 (1959), page 119.
 
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...fall into sets of p that are cyclic permutations of each other...
I'm assuming you mean sets of order p. Ok, it was not obvious to me that the set of non-fixed was also divisible by p (but I see how the result follows from this).
Thanks for the help (and the reference to McKay)!
 
Martin Rattigan said:
The sequences g1,g2,...,gp (if any) where g1g2...gp=e and it isn't the case that g1=g2=...=gp fall into sets of p that are cyclic permutations of each other, because if g1g2...gp=e then g2g3...gpg1=e etc.

If we remove these from A, since |A| = pk that leaves some multiple m=rp of p sequences ggg...g of elements such that gp=e. One of these is eee...e, so r is not zero. Therefore there must be rp-1>0 elements of order p.

(Incidentally these fall into subgroups of order p that intersect only in the identity and each contains p-1 elements of order p, so you can also say rp-1=0 (p-1) or r=1 (p-1), so that the number of elements of order p is actually
(h(p-1)+1)p-1=(hp+1)(p-1) for some integer h.)

By the way, I believe this is McKay's proof of Cauchy's theorem , first published in American Mathematical Monthly, Vol.66 (1959), page 119.

Found this thread in google (yes, old, i know), and I'm having trouble accepting this as a trivial statement (bold). Is there an easy way to just "see" this? I believe its truth rests in the fact p is prime, but it wasn't mentioned here...
 

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