Why Represent the Photon Field with Four Potentials Instead of E and B Fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of the photon field using four potentials as opposed to electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields. Participants explore the implications of this representation in terms of convenience, fundamental properties, and the incorporation of relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the equivalence and convenience of using four potentials compared to E and B fields, seeking clarity on the benefits of the four-potential approach.
  • It is proposed that E and B fields are defined in terms of the potentials (phi and A), suggesting that the four potentials are more fundamental.
  • One participant argues that using the four-potential inherently incorporates relativity and simplifies the mathematical framework compared to using E and B fields.
  • A comparison is made between the Dirac equation and the Hamilton-Jacoby equation, noting that both can be expressed via potentials, which may provide similar classical solutions despite gauge freedom.
  • A brief mention of Poincaré's Lemma is introduced as a relevant mathematical principle in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and perspectives on the topic, with no clear consensus reached regarding the superiority or fundamental nature of four potentials versus E and B fields.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific mathematical frameworks and definitions that may not be universally accepted or understood, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of gauge freedom in the context of QED.

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This may be a simple question, but I feel as though I don't clearly understand this fully. How come we can take the photon field to be represented by the four potential instead of the E and B fields? Is it equivalent and more convient to do? Also by using the 4 potential do you atomatically have relativity built in instead of using the E and B fields? Thanks to anyone who can clear up this simple issue.
 
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E and B are defined in terms of the potentials phi and A, so phi and A are more fundamental I would say. And yes, the four-potential as better covariant properties
 
captain said:
This may be a simple question, but I feel as though I don't clearly understand this fully. How come we can take the photon field to be represented by the four potential instead of the E and B fields? Is it equivalent and more convient to do? Also by using the 4 potential do you atomatically have relativity built in instead of using the E and B fields? Thanks to anyone who can clear up this simple issue.

Using the four-vector potential is equivalent and more convient in many repsects: you atomatically have relativity built in, four-vector is simpler than four-tensor, etc. The Dirac equation that contains this four-vector is similar to the Hamilton-Jacoby classical mechanical equation which is also expressed via potentials rather than field tesnions.

The Newton and the Hamilton-Jacoby equations give the same classical solutions for particle trajectories despite the "gauge" liberty in choosing the potentials. The same is valid in QED. There are equivalent QED formulations in terms of the field tensions (Hammer C. L., Good R. H. // Ann. of Phys. 1961. V. 12. P. 463., Mandelstam S. // Ann. of Phys. 1962. V. 19. P. 1.)

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it is just a direct application of Poincaré's Lemma
 

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