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The discussion revolves around the choice of normalization for eigenvectors in the context of the Stark effect, specifically addressing why certain combinations were selected over others. Participants explore the implications of different normalization choices on the resulting quantum states and their representations.

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  • One participant questions the author's choice of normalization in the eigenvector combinations, suggesting alternatives like 1/sqrt(3) and 2/sqrt(3).
  • Another participant explains that different combinations yield different eigenvectors, which are unique up to normalization for non-degenerate eigenvalues.
  • A physical explanation is proposed, indicating that equal contributions to the state are significant.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the permissibility of choosing different normalization factors, with some participants asserting that all eigenstates should have the same normalization, typically set to 1.
  • One participant expresses familiarity with eigenvector normalization but seeks clarification on how to apply it to specific kets, indicating confusion with notation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that for kets to form a basis, they must share the same norm, and provides a formula for constructing a normalized state from two kets.
  • A later reply discusses the normalization of linear combinations of kets, noting that the normalization process involves calculating the norm of the vector formed by the combination.
  • There is a mention of the conventional use of notation for normalized vectors, suggesting that certain kets are likely already normalized.

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Participants express differing views on the normalization of eigenvectors, with some asserting that normalization choices can vary while others emphasize the necessity for consistency in normalization across eigenstates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these choices.

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Participants reference specific notations and concepts related to quantum mechanics, including eigenvectors and normalization, which may require familiarity with quantum theory to fully understand the nuances of the discussion.

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Why did the author of the book choose the combinations in (9.66) and (9.67) as follows? Why didn't he choose some other combination; say 1/sqrt(3) and the other 2/sqrt(3) instead of 1/sqrt(2) and 1/sqrt(2)?

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Different combinations lead to different vectors...the author found the "eigenvectors" corresponding to the specific eigenvalues, these eigenvectors for non-degenerate eigenvalues are unique up to normalization.
 
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I guess a physical explanation is that because they both build up \psi state with equal contributions...
 
Then it is ok to choose whatever normalization I want? I can go for the 1/sqrt(3) and the other 2/sqrt(3) here?
 
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Then it is ok to choose whatever normalization I want? I can go for the 1/sqrt(3) and the other 2/sqrt(3) here?

No, all eigenstates need to have the same nomalization, and in most cases you want the norm to be 1.
 
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Then it is ok to choose whatever normalization I want? I can go for the 1/sqrt(3) and the other 2/sqrt(3) here?
You need to look back in your textbook or your notes and review what an eigenvector is.
 
I know what an eigenvector is and I know how to normalize it. Let's say we have |+> I know it is already normalized. When I have (1 2)^T I know that 1/sqrt*5 is the normalization factor. But how would I know how to normalize |2 0 0>? |2 1 0>?
It is probably the notation of the ket including n, l, m that I am not being capable to translate into something familiar like a column vector...
 
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I know what an eigenvector is and I know how to normalize it. Let's say we have |+> I know it is already normalized. When I have (1 2)^T I know that 1/sqrt*5 is the normalization factor. But how would I know how to normalize |2 0 0>? |2 1 0>?
It is probably the notation of the ket including n, l, m that I am not being capable to translate into something familiar like a column vector...

For the kets ##|a,b,c \rangle## to form a basis, they must have the same norm. Therefore, to form a new state ##\psi## as ##|a,b,c \rangle + |a',b',c' \rangle## with the same norm requires
$$
\psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( |a,b,c \rangle + |a',b',c' \rangle \right)
$$
 
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I know what an eigenvector is and I know how to normalize it. Let's say we have |+> I know it is already normalized. When I have (1 2)^T I know that 1/sqrt*5 is the normalization factor. But how would I know how to normalize |2 0 0>? |2 1 0>?
It is probably the notation of the ket including n, l, m that I am not being capable to translate into something familiar like a column vector...
I haven't looked at this specific case, but it's conventional to use notations like |210> only for vectors with norm 1. So these guys are almost certainly already normalized. If you're given a linear combination like ##|200\rangle +|210\rangle##, and you want to normalize it, you need to keep in mind what it means to normalize a vector. It means to find a vector in the same 1-dimensional subspace that has norm 1. The vector ##a|200\rangle +b|210\rangle## isn't in the same 1-dimensional subspace as ##|200\rangle +|210\rangle## unless a=b. So you need to ask yourself this: For what values of ##a## does ##a\big(|200\rangle +|210\rangle\big)## have norm 1? The first step is of course to calculate the norm of this vector. Do you know how to do that? (Assume that |200> and |210> are already normalized).

There are infinitely many complex numbers ##a## that get the job done, but only one of them has imaginary part zero and a positive real part. It's convenient to choose that one.
 
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Oh great! Thank you for making this so clear Dr Claude!
 

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