Will the Boston Red Sox Regret Trading Away a Hall of Famer?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the Boston Red Sox trading away a Hall of Famer, with participants expressing differing opinions on the trade's impact on the team's future and the players involved. The conversation includes elements of sports fandom, player statistics, and team performance, reflecting on historical trades and their consequences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that trading a Hall of Famer for an average player is a poor decision, citing historical precedents like trades in 1918 and 2008.
  • Others defend the trade by noting that the player acquired, Jason Bay, is above average and has been an All-Star, despite recent injury issues.
  • There is a discussion about the statistical performance of both Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay, with some suggesting that Bay's numbers could improve playing in Fenway Park.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the Red Sox's future success, suggesting that the trade may weaken their chances of winning championships.
  • A few comments reflect a rivalry between Red Sox and Yankees fans, with participants taking jabs at each other's teams and expressing satisfaction or disappointment based on team performance.
  • One participant humorously summarizes the typical back-and-forth nature of sports arguments, highlighting the emotional investment fans have in their teams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of the trade or its implications for the teams involved. Multiple competing views remain, with some defending the trade while others criticize it.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to player statistics and historical trades, but there are unresolved assumptions about player performance and team strategies that influence opinions.

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Fans of baseball, particularly those interested in team dynamics, player trades, and the historical context of sports decisions, may find this discussion engaging.

Jordan Joab
Congratulations on trading a hall of famer for an average player. Enjoy the two titles you have won. They will help you cope with the frustration and disappointment in the years ahead. Hopefully, you will learn not to trade hall of famers away. Unfortunately, 1918 and 2008 show otherwise so I must assume you will make the same mistakes again.

In any case, let's hope Big Papi stays healthy. If not, I don't think our annual October date in the Bronx will be taking place.

Best wishes,


A Yankees fan.

(Dedicated to all PF Red Sox fans :biggrin:)
 
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Bay is a well above average player (an all star 3 years ago) who has been plagued by injuries the past two seasons. Regardless, you are missing the point: Manny would have been a free agent at the end of the year and the Sox weren't willing to pony up the dough for a guy who wasn't happy there anyway. So they had to get what they could get for him.

Yeah, it was an uneven trade - but it was better than getting nothing, which is what they would have gotten if they hadn't traded him.

Bay's lifetime stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bay
Ramirez lifetime stas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Ramirez

Looking at this year's stats, they aren't as far apart as I had thought.
Ramirez is .299, 68 rbi, 86 SO, .398 obp, .529slg
Bay is .282, 64 rbi, 86 SO, .375 obp, .519 slg

Ramirez's are better, but not by much, and a lot of that comes from playing for a better team. Oh - and Manny is about as bad a fielder as Barry Bonds.

edit: and he's also 36 while Bay is 29.
 
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Blah Blah Blah:rolleyes:

Actually, you are right. The core of the problem was the 2 option years Manny had on his contract. He believes he can get 100mil for the next 4yrs, more than likely as a DH.

Nonetheless, the Red Sox just handed over the WS to the Angels. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Manny ends up in pinstripes sticking it to the Red Sox.


~J
 
russ_watters said:
Ramirez's are better, but not by much, and a lot of that comes from playing for a better team. Oh - and Manny is about as bad a fielder as Barry Bonds.

edit: and he's also 36 while Bay is 29.

Manny's a great fielder. This is a great play - Manny high-five double play Now, that's entertainment. :smile:

It's a heck of a lot better than Jose Canseco's most memorable play in the outfield.
 
Jordan Joab said:
Congratulations on trading a hall of famer for an average player. Enjoy the two titles you have won. They will help you cope with the frustration and disappointment in the years ahead. Hopefully, you will learn not to trade hall of famers away. Unfortunately, 1918 and 2008 show otherwise so I must assume you will make the same mistakes again.

In any case, let's hope Big Papi stays healthy. If not, I don't think our annual October date in the Bronx will be taking place.

Best wishes,A Yankees fan.

(Dedicated to all PF Red Sox fans :biggrin:)

Russ is right. And not only is Bay an above average player he will be playing at Fenway a hitter's park. PNC which is the one he used to play in is a pitcher's park which depresses offensive numbers.

By the way, I am a Yankee fan and couldn't be happier that we won't face manny anymore.
 
Good. I hope this is a continuing downward spiral for both the Yanks and the BoSox.

BTW, no one is going be able to stop the Cubs or the CWS this year. The cubs have a ridiculous offense AND starting pitching staff.
 
The_Professional said:
Russ is right. And not only is Bay an above average player he will be playing at Fenway a hitter's park.
A point lost on many Monday-morning quarterbacks. Put Bay in Fenway for 1/2 of his games and his offensive number could easily surpass Manny's.
 
Yeah well, my Tigers just traded away their Hall of Fame catcher for more mediocre relief. So congrats to you Jordan Joab, Yankee fan :)
 
Jordan Joab said:
Congratulations on trading a hall of famer ...

Don't worry about us. We Red Sox fans are good to go for another 80+ years. :smile: Seeing them win a 2nd Word Series in my lifetime was just icing on the cake! :smile: :smile: :smile:

Unlike Yankee fans, who are miserable wretches :cry: unless they are winning the World Series every single year.
 
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The Red Sox won't be making the WS this year, sorry. Unless the Yanks wake up, it's going to be Angels beating the Cubs this October. Oh yea, expect Manny to be wearing pinstripes next year!:approve:
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Don't worry about us. We Red Sox fans are good to go for another 80+ years. :smile: Seeing them win a 2nd Word Series in my lifetime was just icing on the cake! :smile: :smile: :smile:

Unlike Yankee fans, who are miserable wretches :cry: unless they are winning the World Series every single year.

We won the super Bowl, over the "perfect":smile: Patriots no less! I think we are good!:biggrin:
 
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True. Hell of a game too.

You seem to happy to be a true Yankees fan!
 
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Grr, sports arguments...they usually go as follows:

Guy 1: Ha! X happened to team I'm biased against Y!

Guy 2: So! X happened because Y team has Guy A with an injury, the other team got lucky. Y team RULES!

Guy 1: Blah blah blah, I totally disregard any evidence you have for Y's loss because team Z rules! Obviously team Y has (he names one or a few of the following) bad/no offense/defense/finesse/ability. Player A (or the whole team) has bad [insert verb here] skills! They should trade for player B, because B pisses achievement.

Guy 2: No, YOUR favorite team sucks because they traded this guy, have horrible [bad quality Guy 1 mentioned above]! Take that! Oh here, let me throw some stats at you! Maybe that will get you to agree with me, and then I can know that this whole argument isn't a waste of time that will obviously not sway either side unlike every other sports argument in history.

Guy 1: Those stats don't mean crap! Let's argue another fruitless hour while some poor guy who is trying not to listen has to because we're in a airport/in class/at a bar/waiting in line/etc.

Guy trying not to listen: *thinking to himself* I wish these [slang 't' word meaning vagina]s would shut up about their stupid baseball/football/soccer/hockey/basketball/other pointless sports team, so I don't have to push out a memory I'm fond of to make room for this retarded crap.
[/end of argument]
 
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Redbelly98 said:
True. Hell of a game too.

You seem to happy to be a true Yankees fan!

:rolleyes:

Pssssstt... I secretly root for the Mets... I even have a Mets cap :(


Daniel Y. said:
Grr, sports arguments...they usually go as follows:

Guy 1: Ha! X happened to team I'm biased against Y!

Guy 2: So! X happened because Y team has Guy A with an injury, the other team got lucky. Y team RULES!

Guy 1: Blah blah blah, I totally disregard any evidence you have for Y's loss because team Z rules! Obviously team Y has (he names one or a few of the following) bad/no offense/defense/finesse/ability. Player A (or the whole team) has bad [insert verb here] skills! They should trade for player B, because B pisses achievement.

Guy 2: No, YOUR favorite team sucks because they traded this guy, have horrible [bad quality Guy 1 mentioned above]! Take that! Oh here, let me throw some stats at you! Maybe that will get you to agree with me, and then I can know that this whole argument isn't a waste of time that will obviously not sway either side unlike every other sports argument in history.

Guy 1: Those stats don't mean crap! Let's argue another fruitless hour while some poor guy who is trying not to listen has to because we're in a airport/in class/at a bar/waiting in line/etc.

Guy trying not to listen: *thinking to himself* I wish these [slang 't' word meaning vagina]s would shut up about their stupid baseball/football/soccer/hockey/basketball/other pointless sports team, so I don't have to push out a memory I'm fond of to make room for this retarded crap.
[/end of argument]

You need to get drunk and let loose, brother!
 
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Jordan Joab said:
You need to get drunk and let loose, brother!

Definitely need to let loose. Too young to drink, and everything else is illegal. Maybe I'll meditate or something.