Will Ultra Advanced Telescopes Enable Real-Time Planetary Surface Imaging?

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The discussion centers on the potential for ultra-advanced telescopes to enable real-time imaging of planetary surfaces, with implications for the search for extraterrestrial life and observations of distant galaxies and black holes. Participants explore the feasibility of such advancements in telescope technology and the limitations imposed by current understanding of physics.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether telescopes could ever provide images powerful enough to observe planetary surfaces in real time, suggesting that this capability would eliminate the need for space missions to explore these planets.
  • Another participant asserts that black holes cannot be observed directly because no radiation escapes from them, though they speculate about the potential discovery of particles that might provide insights into black holes in the future.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the ability to view other planets is contingent on the amount of light received and the challenges posed by the brightness of host stars, which obscure inner planets. They suggest that studying spectral signatures may yield more information than attempting to capture images.
  • One contributor explains the fundamental principles of telescope operation, noting that telescopes require incoming light to function and that light from distant stars takes significant time to reach Earth, making "real-time" observation impossible.
  • Another participant discusses the limitations of telescope resolution, which is determined by the diameter of the telescope and the wavelength of light. They mention the possibility of using interferometry with multiple telescopes to achieve higher resolution, although they acknowledge the challenges of applying this technique to visible light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of real-time planetary imaging and the ability to observe black holes. There is no consensus on whether future advancements will overcome current limitations in telescope technology.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the nature of light and the physical constraints of telescope design, as well as the unresolved challenges in observing distant astronomical objects.

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will they ever make telescopes where the image is powerful enough to check out the surfaces of planets (real time) so we can see if there's life on them and also can see into other galaxys and maybe even pass through black holes and stuff? (not the actual telescope - i mean the image)

we woudnt have to go into space then! (well we would but wed already know what's out there and where to go etc)
 
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Since no form of radiation can escape from a black hole, we won't be able to see into one, ever. Perhaps in the future, particles will be discovered that are not affected by gravity, and they might be able to provide some insights as to what happens onside one, but they would probably not interact with any other matter either, and hence might not give us any additional info.

Regarding viewing other planets, that all depends on the amount of light we receive, and the arc-size of the light. Recently, a photo was published that showed an exoplanet in the image itself, but like the sun in the image, it was just a pinpoint of light. In all practicality, we will probably learn more from studying the spectral signatures of exoplanets than from minuscule images. Host suns totally obscure inner planets, and dominate any light they may send out, making any observation incredibly difficult. Perhaps in the future our telescopes may be refined enough to image a solar disc, but viewing a planet surface MAY never be achievable given the tiny arcsize of the planet. But anything is possible! Who knows what the future brings!
 
Remember that telescopes work by gather light. They use large mirrors or lenses, anywhere from a couple of inches in diameter to several meters, to gather light and focus it down to a small point. You must have light coming to your telescope in order to collect that light. Since no light comes from black holes we cannot see through it with a telescope.

Also, since we are waiting on light to get here, it takes a very long time in our everyday scale for light to reach us from a distant star or planet. The CLOSEST star system to us is 4.2 light years away. That means it takes light over 4 years to get here. When we look at those stars we are seeing 4 years into the past, and it only gets worse the further the star is. There is no such thing as "real time". :biggrin:
 
The resolution of a telescope is limited by the diameter of the telescope and wavelength of the light as per the laws of optics. That's a difficult, though not impossible problem to overcome when trying to image objects far away at high resolution: You can hook multiple telescopes together to simulate a larger telescope using interferometry. On Earth where the distances are easy to calibrate and using radio waves which have a long wavelength and thus are more "forgiving" of minor errors in calibration it's been done for some time. See the Very Large Array. To do it with visible light and image is more difficult, but ultimately it may be possible to use satellites orbiting on opposite sides of the sun for a very long "baseline" and very high resolution.
 

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