Would time travel to the past be possible if ?

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The discussion explores the theoretical possibility of time travel to the past through accessing parallel universes and the concept of "quantum" wormholes. Participants examine the implications of these ideas within the context of current physics, including the existence of parallel universes and the requirements for creating wormholes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that time travel could be achieved by accessing past parallel universes through a portal, although this remains speculative and technologically distant.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the existence of a 'currently in the past' parallel universe, suggesting that new universes created according to the Many-Worlds interpretation exist at the same point on the time scale.
  • Another participant asserts that there is currently no known method to access parallel universes and questions the validity of the concept of a "quantum wormhole," stating it does not align with current physics.
  • Some participants argue that the idea of parallel universes is comforting and unfalsifiable, while others counter that they can be falsified if a consistent theory of physics emerges that selects a particular reality.
  • A participant discusses the implications of wormholes as time machines, suggesting that they would lead to inconsistencies unless they connect parallel universes, referencing David Deutsch's work.
  • Another participant mentions that while creating a wormhole may not be feasible, enlarging a preexisting quantum wormhole could theoretically be possible, contingent on the existence of a negative energy source.
  • Some participants express doubt about the feasibility of constructing wormholes, citing the need for negative energy or mass as a significant barrier.
  • One participant emphasizes that theoretical predictions should be taken seriously, referencing the historical acceptance of black holes as theoretical constructs before their empirical validation.
  • Another participant cautions against accepting all theoretical predictions, highlighting the limitations of current theories like General Relativity and the need for sound reasoning to support such claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of time travel and the existence of parallel universes, with no consensus reached. Some support the theoretical possibility of wormholes, while others remain skeptical about their existence and the assumptions underlying these theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current understanding, including the hypothetical nature of wormholes and the dependence on unproven concepts like negative energy. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in theoretical physics regarding time travel and parallel universes.

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Would time travel to the past be possible if...?

We didn't focus on reversing time itself (which is obviously impossible), but focused on accessing a past parallel universe. And creating some sort of portal to these past parallel universes, like a "quantum" wormhole (i know it sounds like science fiction). Obviously (if this was possible) we are centuries, probably even millenniums away from this technology, but theoretically, could this be done?
 
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I would assume there would exist no 'currently in the past' parallel universe. I'm under the impression when new universes are created (according to Many-Worlds), they exist - on a time scale - at the same point on that scale.
 


There is currently no known way to access a parallel universe, if one even exists, nor do I believe there is such a thing as a "quantum wormhole", so your question has no answer since it doesn't deal with current physics.
 


Parallel universes are so comforting. They explain everything and are unfalsifiable.
 


Chronos said:
Parallel universes are so comforting. They explain everything and are unfalsifiable.

Just like God!111
 


Chronos said:
Parallel universes are so comforting. They explain everything and are unfalsifiable.

Parallel universes are in fact falsifiable. If we every develop a self consistent and paradox-free fundamental theory of physics that (unlike quantum theory) somehow selects out a particular reality from all of the possible realities, the theory of parallel universes would be rendered false.
 


Drakkith said:
There is currently no known way to access a parallel universe...

A wormhole operating as a time machine (or any spacetime containing closed timelike curves) leads to inconsistencies unless the wormhole connects parallel universes. [See David Deutsch, Physical Review D, 44, 3197 (1991)] As it is quite easy for any wormholes that exist to become time machines, the existence of wormhole implies the existence of connections between parallel universes.
... nor do I believe there is such a thing as a "quantum wormhole"...

Actually, the existence of quantum wormholes, unlike classical wormholes, is not controversial. It has long been assumed that any reasonable theory of quantum gravity would have to describe spacetime at the submicroscopic level as a "quantum foam" containing every possible geometry -- including wormholes.

A good popular explanation of these points is The Physics of Stargates: Parallel Universes, Time Travel, and the Enigma of Wormhole Physics by Enrico Rodrigo. You might also want to check out the wormhole chapter of Black Holes and Time Warps: Einstein's Outrageous Legacy by Kip Thorne.
 
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Sasquatch544 said:
We didn't focus on reversing time itself (which is obviously impossible), but focused on accessing a past parallel universe. And creating some sort of portal to these past parallel universes, like a "quantum" wormhole (i know it sounds like science fiction). Obviously (if this was possible) we are centuries, probably even millenniums away from this technology, but theoretically, could this be done?

In the most conservative approaches to quantum gravity, it is not possible to create a wormhole. One would instead enlarge a preexisting submicroscopic quantum wormhole (large quantities of which are presumed to exist in every cubic meter of space). This would require some sort of ultra-high frequency negative energy source. Although no one knows how to create such a source, the existence of such a thing has not, despite a lot of effort, been shown to be inconsistent with the laws of physics.

Short answer: Theoretically, it could be done.
[Keep in mind, however, that it is also theoretically possible to produce enough antimatter to annihilate all matter in the galaxy.]
 


I won't disagree with you Harry, but since they are 100% hypothetical at the moment and are thought to need negative energy or mass or whatever pretty much shuts the door on them for me personally. Until we have good reason to think otherwise of course.
 
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Drakkith said:
I won't disagree with you Harry, but since they are 100% hypothetical at the moment and are thought to need negative energy or mass or whatever pretty much shuts the door on them for me personally. Until we have good reason to think otherwise of course.

Drakkith,

You're not thinking like a theoretical physicist. Once you believe the theory (because it's passed a battery of experimental tests), you're supposed to believe its predictions. Remember, black holes were purely theoretical objects for most of the 20th century. Yet during that time lots of theorists firmly (and justifiably) believed in their existence.

So far, despite considerable effort to prove otherwise, quantum theory permits scenarios involving arbitrarily negative energy (especially if scalar fields exists). Our best theories (QM & GR) tell us, therefore, that wormholes could be in principle be constructed.
 
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The problem is that our theories are NOT perfect. General Relativity predicts a singularity at the middle of a black hole, yet to my knowledge most scientists do not actually believe there is a "real singularity", only that it's a product of an incomplete theory. One cannot simply accept all predictions, especially when they contradict other theories or laws. There must be good reason to accept it. So currently there is little reason to believe that we can construct or use wormholes.
 

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