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BoogieL80
Apr20-06, 12:07 PM
I was working on the following problem:

An electron and a positron each have a mass of 9.11 x 10-31 kg. They collide and both vanish, with only electromagnetic radiation appearing after the collision. If each particle is moving at a speed of 0.30c relative to the laboratory before the collision, determine the energy of the electromagnetic radiation.

I feel like I'm missing something basic here. I know the formula is E=mc2. However my webassign says my answer is wrong. Am I wrong to assume that the mass is 2*9.11e-31? Also don't I just multiply 0.30*c2?

nrqed
Apr20-06, 12:31 PM
I was working on the following problem:

An electron and a positron each have a mass of 9.11 x 10-31 kg. They collide and both vanish, with only electromagnetic radiation appearing after the collision. If each particle is moving at a speed of 0.30c relative to the laboratory before the collision, determine the energy of the electromagnetic radiation.

I feel like I'm missing something basic here. I know the formula is E=mc2. However my webassign says my answer is wrong. Am I wrong to assume that the mass is 2*9.11e-31? Also don't I just multiply 0.30*c2?

No. The total energy is E = \gamma m c^2 . Only if a particle is at rest does E= mc^2.

BoogieL80
Apr20-06, 02:35 PM
I'm sorry. Why are you using gamma in that equatin?

Hootenanny
Apr20-06, 02:39 PM
I'm sorry. Why are you using gamma in that equatin?

\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

So the full equation then becomes;

E = \frac{m_{0}c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

The gamma is used as a 'shortend' verson of the equation.

~H

BoogieL80
Apr20-06, 06:39 PM
Thank you.

dfx
Apr21-06, 09:07 AM
Incidentally we were studying pair production and my physics teacher claimed u simply use e = 2mc^2 regardless of the velocity.

Hootenanny
Apr21-06, 09:15 AM
Incidentally we were studying pair production and my physics teacher claimed u simply use e = 2mc^2 regardless of the velocity.

This is valid since the minimum amount of energy required to produce a pair of particles is the amount of energy equivilant to their rest mass. Any additional energy will be in the form of kinetic energy. If two particles are produced with zero kinetic energy then the formula becomes;

E = \frac{m_{0}c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

v = 0 \Rightarrow E = \frac{m_{0}c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{0^2}{c^2}}}

E = \frac{m_{0}c^2}{\sqrt{1}} = E = m_{0}c^2

~H

Reshma
Apr21-06, 09:15 AM
Yes, but you would be dealing with moving masses here. So, E = 2\gamma m_0 c^2 would be right.

Hootenanny
Apr21-06, 09:17 AM
Yes, but you would be dealing with moving masses here. So, E = 2\gamma m_0 c^2 would be right.

Not if you were calculating the minimum energy required to produce a pair of particles.

~H

nrqed
Apr21-06, 09:17 AM
Incidentally we were studying pair production and my physics teacher claimed u simply use e = 2mc^2 regardless of the velocity.

That can't be right. If you shoot an electron and a positron at 0.99c, the gamma rays emitted will have more energy than if they were initially at rest.

Hootenanny
Apr21-06, 09:19 AM
Apologise people, I didn't read the "regardless of velcoity" bit. My mistake.

~H

Reshma
Apr21-06, 09:21 AM
Not if you were calculating the minimum energy required to produce a pair of particles.

~H
Oh, but how does \gamma mc^2 take care of the two particles here(electron and positron)?

nrqed
Apr21-06, 09:22 AM
Oh, but how does \gamma mc^2 take care of the two particles here(electron and positron)?
You have to use this for each particle. So total energy = twice that if the two are moving at the same speed.

Hootenanny
Apr21-06, 09:23 AM
Oh, but how does \gamma mc^2 take care of the two particles here(electron and positron)?

As I said above, I misread part of the question. But I do not understand what you are asking here?

~H