How Can Laplace Transforms Solve an Initial Value Problem?

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem using Laplace transforms, specifically the equation y'' + 3ty' - 6y = 0 with initial conditions y(0) = 1 and y'(0) = 0. Participants explore the steps involved in applying the Laplace transform method, including finding the inverse transform and addressing challenges encountered during the process.

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  • One participant outlines the steps to apply the Laplace transform to the given differential equation, including the transformation of terms and the integration process.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the inverse Laplace transform, specifically regarding the term L^{-1}\{\frac{6}{s^3}\} and seeks clarification on how to proceed.
  • Some participants provide hints and corrections regarding the use of the Laplace transform table, particularly the formula for L\{t^n\} and its implications for finding the inverse transform.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the Gamma function in the context of Laplace transforms, with some participants questioning the notation used in their resources.
  • One participant suggests that the answer to the inverse transform might be 2t^2, while another proposes 3t^2, leading to uncertainty about the correct factor in the solution.
  • A later reply confirms that the antitransform is indeed simpler than initially thought, arriving at the expression y(t) = 1 + 3t^2.

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Participants generally agree on the method of using Laplace transforms but express differing views on specific calculations and interpretations of the formulas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact form of the inverse transform until a later reply suggests a solution.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying differential equations, particularly those learning about Laplace transforms and their applications in solving initial value problems.

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Okay, I know this is a lot... but I am stuck, so here goes...

Use the method of Laplace transform to solve the initial value problem

y''+3ty'-6y=0, y(0) = 1, y'(0) = 0
L\{y'' + 3ty' - 6y\} = L\{0\}
s^{2}Y(s) - sy(0) - y'(0) + 3L\{ty'\} - 6Y(s) = 0
s^{2}Y(s) - s(1) - 0 - \frac{d}{ds}\left(3 L\{ty'\}\right) -6Y(s) = 0

Now to resolve the - \frac{d}{ds}\left(3 L\{ty'\}\right)
= - \frac{d}{ds}\left(3 L\{ty'\}\right)

= - \frac{d}{ds}3 \left(sY(s) - y(0)\right)

= -3sY'(s) - 3Y(s)


Plugging it back into the eq we now have

s^{2}Y(s) - s - 3sY'(s) - 3Y(s) - 6Y(s) = 0

-3sY'(s) + (s^{2}-9)Y(s) - s = 0

Y'(s) + \left(-\frac{s}{3} + \frac{3}{s}\right)Y(s) = -\frac{1}{3}

\mu = e^{\int\left(-\frac{s}{3} + \frac{3}{s}\right)ds}

\mu = e^{\left(-\frac{s^{2}}{6} + ln(s^{3})\right)

\mu = s^{3} e^{\left(-\frac{s^{2}}{6}\right)

\int\left(\frac{d}{ds}(s^{3}e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right)}Y(s)\right) = \int-\left(\frac{1}{3}\right)s^{3}e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right)} ds

s^{3}e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right)}Y(s) = \int-\left(\frac{1}{3}\right)s^{3}e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right)} ds


RIGHT SIDE
=\left(\frac{1}{3}\right)(-3(s^{2}+6)e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right)

=(s^2+6)e^{-\left(\frac{s^2}{6}\right) + A

Y(s)=\frac{(s^2+6)}{s^{3}} + \frac{A e^ \frac{s^2{6}{s^{3}}

Limit...as... s \rightarrow \infty...Y(s) = 0...therefore A = 0

Y(s) = \frac{s^2+6}{s^3}



Break down the Inverse Laplace
L^{-1}\{\frac{s^2+6}{s^3}\}

=L^{-1}\{\frac{s^2}{s^3}\} + L^{-1}{\frac{6}{s^3}\}

=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{s}\} + L^{-1}{\frac{6}{s^3}\}

= 1 + ?


This is where I get lost... I don't know how to do the other side... Please help.
 
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diffeqnoob said:
=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{s}\} + L^{-1}{\frac{6}{s^3}\}

= 1 + ?


This is where I get lost... I don't know how to do the other side... Please help.

What other side? I hope it is not calculating the antitransform of
\frac{6}{s^3} because it's pretty easy, it is in any table.

Hint:L\{t^n\}=\frac{\Gamma(n+1)}{s^{n+1}}
 
Clausius2 said:
What other side? I hope it is not calculating the antitransform of
\frac{6}{s^3} because it's pretty easy, it is in any table.

Hint:L\{t^n\}=\frac{\Gamma(n+1)}{s^{n+1}}


Yes this is where I was lost because I didn't have that in the table my professor gave me. His said:


L\{t^n\}=\frac{\Gamma(n!)}{s^{n+1}}

I am lost because I only see this problem as:

L\{t^n\}=\frac{\Gamma(2+1)}{s^{2+1}}
= t^2... i know this isn't right.

wait... is this what I think it is? Am I overthinking this. Is the answer:

2t^2 ? A 2 multiplied into the answer would make the numerator a 6. Am I right ?
 
can someone verify if 2t^2is right ?
 
Clausius2 said:
What other side? I hope it is not calculating the antitransform of
\frac{6}{s^3} because it's pretty easy, it is in any table.

Hint:L\{t^n\}=\frac{\Gamma(n+1)}{s^{n+1}}

I have looked all over the internet and in my book and I cannot find the above mentioned Laplace Transform formula anywhere. Did you mean (n!) in the numerator vice the (n+1) ? In that case, that would make my answer 3t^2
 
For n a positive integer:

\Gamma(n+1)=n!
 
I appreciate the help :smile:

thanks. I can't believe I didn't see that the antitransform was so simple...

y(t) = 1 + 3t^2
 

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