Brian Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos

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The discussion revolves around Brian Greene's book "Fabric of the Cosmos," exploring its content, comparisons to his previous works, and the general landscape of popular science literature. Participants share their impressions, critiques, and expectations regarding the book's approach to complex scientific concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express disappointment that "Fabric of the Cosmos" repeats material from Greene's earlier works and other popular science books, particularly regarding quantum mechanics and relativity.
  • Others argue that Greene effectively targets lay readers, simplifying complex concepts for broader understanding, which they appreciate.
  • A participant notes that the expectation for more mathematical depth may lead to disappointment, suggesting that Greene's writing is tailored for a general audience.
  • Some express a desire for future books to balance intuitive explanations with more rigorous mathematical detail.
  • There are comments on the commercialization of science communication, particularly regarding Michio Kaku, with mixed feelings about the motivations behind popular science outreach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Greene's work is accessible to lay readers, but there is disagreement about the depth and originality of the content. Some feel that the book does not offer significant new insights, while others appreciate its approach to complex topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the limitations of popular science literature in conveying advanced concepts without losing clarity, highlighting the challenge of discussing intricate subjects in simple terms.

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This discussion may be useful for readers interested in popular science literature, particularly those evaluating Brian Greene's contributions and the broader context of science communication in accessible formats.

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I have a copy of Brian Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos in my hand, just starting to read it.
 
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How is it? The reviews on Amazon.com are mixed. Any new info from his previous book?

I heard his interview on NPR Feb 16. He did a good job overall. Too bad NPR allowed way too much airtime to an angry Young Earth Creationist.
 
Originally posted by rick1138
I have a copy of Brian Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos in my hand, just starting to read it.

I've been waiting for it to turn up at one of the Libraries around here, but it hasn't yet...how's the book? When you're done reading it, you should write a review in the Science Book Reviews forum.
 
Disappointing - it repeats a lot that is in his previous pop sci book, and also repeats a lot of material that is covered in many other pop sci books by other authors, such as the history of QM, the genesis of relativity, Bell's theorem, etc.. I wish he had spent more time on string and m-theory, especially on recent developments. Overall a decent book, worth reading, but I expected more. I think a high school student with an interest in science could get a lot out of it by reading it as a non-mathematical introduction to modern physics, but much of the material in the book is already known to many at that level.
 
At the level Brian is talking at, there is only so much that can be said. Its hard putting eqns into words, and not repeating what others have already published.

Any less laymen than that, and math will have to be introduced. Once that happens, kiss the reader count goodbye.

Many of his proffessional papers are on very complicated subjects, like mirror symetry, orbifolds, Calabi-Yau compactification schemes etc

I challenge anyone to talk about those subjects with no ambiguity, in simple english.
 
As you all have already guessed, Greene is targeting the laymen "masses" and he does a very good job of it. He is able to take a difficult concept and simplify it to make it understandable by just about anyone. That in itself is quite a feat. As a layman, I appreciate it. I haven't read Fabric yet, but if it contains the colorful anecdotes that "Elegant Universe" contained, it should be entertaining.
 
I guess this (i.e., being disappointed by new pop sci books) is a common occurrence once you have read a number of them. As Haelfix and Evo said, there is not much that could have changed from the time he wrote The Elegant Universe.

I somehow miss the time when each new pop sci book I read had new amazing properties of the universe that I had never heard of before... I guess that's a fair price to pay for learning the real stuff.
 
True, true. After rereading what I wrote I think I was being overly negative. I was disappointed perhaps by expecting more heavy duty math. The Elegant Universe has a little more weight in the math department, and when it came out I knew almost nothing of string theory, so it was a book that I learned a lot from. Brian Greene is a good writer, and one of the seminal thinkers of string theory.


Many of his proffessional papers are on very complicated subjects, like mirror symetry, orbifolds, Calabi-Yau compactification schemes etc

I challenge anyone to talk about those subjects with no ambiguity, in simple english.

Yes, and he has done such a good job, along with others such as Michio Kaku, of discussing these matters that we all understand them on an intuitive level, hence our boredom.

I would like to see more books that combine quick, intuitive descriptions with heavy duty math. The problem in many technical papers is that the point what is being done is lost in all the detail of how it is being done. Jeffery Weeks' book The Shape of Space is one that falls in this category, tho I think it needs a little more mathematical detail.
 
Kaku seems to have made an thriving business from quantum theory. When I sent him an e-mail a while ago, I got an ad in return. Does he get a cut for this website?
 
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What was the ad? I used to be a moderator on mkaku.org forums before it merged with physics forums, I know that they were looking for ways to raise more money so they could expand the scope of the website - they had discussed advertising products that would be of interest to the science/math communities. He went out of his way to send me a personally inscribed copy of his book on m-theory.
 
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This was an ad generated by my sending Kaku a link to my website about 4 years ago. It promoted one of his popular books. He appeared not to be so self-promoting as much as dollar-driven. However, I believe he is truly a world-class theoretician and a good man concerned with disseminating physics to the public.
 
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Maybe it is to buy his suits. From photos I have seen of him I have noticed that he has a taste for expensive suits. I am sure his salary is not huge - I doubt he is dollar driven - he could get a job anywhere but he has chosen a university where he teaches students of modest means. His family was not wealthy when he was growing up.
 

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