Pain/Damage - If I dropped an ant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the effects of falling from a height on different sized life forms, specifically comparing the pain and damage experienced by humans and ants when dropped from the same height. The conversation touches on concepts from physics, including terminal velocity and the square-cube law, as well as subjective experiences of pain.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how the concept of relativity applies to the discussion of pain and damage from falls, suggesting that classical physics may be more relevant.
  • Others argue that measuring pain is subjective, raising concerns about how one would quantify the pain experienced by an ant.
  • One participant presents a technical explanation involving the surface-to-weight ratio of ants compared to humans, noting that ants reach terminal velocity quickly and can "float down" due to their size.
  • The same participant discusses the structural differences in legs between ants and larger animals, suggesting that ants can withstand more weight proportionally before collapsing.
  • Another participant introduces the square-cube law to explain why larger creatures, like a hypothetical giant, would face greater challenges when falling, as their legs would be near breaking point under increased weight.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment of the saying "the bigger they are, the harder they fall," indicating a recognition of the physical implications of size in falls.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of relativity versus classical physics, and there is no consensus on how to measure pain or damage across different species. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the subjective nature of pain and the implications of size on fall damage.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of pain measurement and the dependence on definitions of damage and injury, which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion also relies on assumptions about physical properties and behaviors of different organisms in free fall.

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Say we had a six foot wall, I jumped off and measured the pain/damage received because of the fall, how would that differ to an ant if it was dropped from the same height? Because of it's size/weight difference...
 
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How is this question answered by Relativity? I hope you're not using the layman connotation of that term. Forget what Einstein said; Relativity is not about how it feels when you're sitting on a hot stove.
 
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Could we tone down the language please Complex? Otherwise your thread is liable to be locked. Gokul was just enquiring why you though relativity should be able to answer you question as opposed to classical physics. I don't think this question is answerable anyway, since pain is subjective; how do you intend to measure the pain experienced by an ant?
 
I didn't ask for his ignorance; simply telling me where it should be would be more helpful than anything...

That's why I put pain/damage... I'm just interested to find out how free fall effects different sized life forms when it hits a surface...

Would it's difference in size/weight effect how damaging the fall would be to it compared to us?
 
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I didn't ask for his ignorance
Take it easy with the personal attacks. How am I to know that you didn't have some non-obvious reason for posting this under Relativity? Which is why I asked you.
 
1] An 2mm ant's surface-to-weight ratio is on the order of a million times greater than a human's (1000^2). This means that when ants fall, they reach terminal velocity quickly, and literally float down.
2] An object's ability to withstand crushing is based on its cross-sectional structures (i.e. legs). An ant's cross-sectional area-to-weight ratio is also about a million times greater than a human's. This means it can withstand more weight (proportionally) before collapsing.

Likewise, an elephant's area-to-weight ratio is a few orders of magnitude smaller than a human's. An elephant cannot jump, and if it tried, it would break its legs.

Why? The square-cube law.

Let's leave the elephant alone and instread create a giant that is exactly human-shaped, only 12 feet tall.

Code:
Critter  Height (1D)  leg diam.    X-sectional area of leg (2D)   weight (3D)
Human     6'              5"                5^2 = 25"               200 lbs.
[U]Giant    12'             10"               10^2 = 100"             1600 lbs[/U]
         2x               2x                    4x                    8x
Notet that the legs of the giant are four times as thick in cross-section but they have to support eight times as much weight. They are near the breaking point. A fall from one foot might break a giant's legs.
 
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the bigger they are the harder they fall holds true then eh?
 
"I like big fat men like you. When they fall, they make more noise. And sometimes they never get up."

Tuco was right!
 

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