The Should-I-Become-An-Engineer? Thread

[russ_watters]

At the suggestion of Shahil, I'm starting this thread as a general guidance thread for prospective engineers. Some typical questions:

-Should I become an engineer?
-What engineering discipline should I study?
-Is engineering difficult?

I encourage people to post personal experiences in school and in the professional world regarding the field of engineering.

Some background info on me - I'm a mechanical engineer working in the field of HVAC design. I started off studying aerospace engineering, but the math was just too much for me. I like mechanical engineering because it is a very wide field with all sorts of job opportunities everywhere.

[Michael D. Sewell]

Question: Is engineering difficult?

Answer: For most of us, YES! If engineering is not difficult for you, then you will probably become a very good engineer.


Question: What engineering discipline should I study?

Answer: What do you see around you that excites you? What do you see that you want to know everything about? What is your passion?


Question: Should I become an engineer?

Answer: If you see beauty and elegance in physics and calculus, then maybe you are on the right track; but, if it bores you to learn about how things work, how they are built, and how to make them better, then you probably do not want to become an engineer.

[Shahil]

Okay, here's my input. At the moment I'm a 2nd year electronic engineering student in South Africa. I, personally, love studying engineering though it's one field that can guarantee that if you're a little insane, you're sure to BE insane by the end of your years of studying.

To be an engineer, I think, you should have a flair for Maths. Especially if you're thinking of doing it professionally with a degree instead of a technical diploma, the theoretical aspect of maths will ensure your great understanding of concepts you will probably only apply years after graduating.

Also, as much as I'm not really this type, you have to have a practical understanding of things. Granted (at leats I've been told) that as a qualified engineer, you can never do a practical application again - but rather just the calculations - if you can't see the solution, it ain't gonna work.

Anyway, lets get onto something I definetely KNOW about - student life. Studying engineering is basically a self-imposed 4 (or more) year sentence to hard labour. You WILL have no time, you WILL have 30 odd page reports due every week, you WILL lose like a million hours of sleep, you WILL have an astronomical coffee bill, you WILL be stressed, you WILL at times have no clue what you're doing BUT if you are true engineering material, you WILL never look back and even half-consider changing your course.

I think engineering is a calling. You know, as an engineer, you are at the forefront of development and your company that you will have on campus (ie. other engineers) will be like minded people who CAN make a difference (maybe not politically but more uh...structurally) in the world. Even though you appear to have no life, engineering will ensure that you do enjoy yourself after all - as an engineer, you will "engineer" free time and yes, I know that was a dry joke.

As for the field - thats personal. You have to have an interset in that field to choose it. However, I say that Electronic/Electrical/Computer is the way if you are more mathematically inclined as mech/aero/civil etc. are very practical fields compared to elec.

Also, when I was deciding on my career path, I was informed about this "wonder" that encompasses engineering. Once in the job market, you may never ever have to do engineering again. Why? Employers employ engineers in fields which require brilliant thought and introspection. By attaining an engineering degree, it shows you have exquisite probel-solvng skills. Also, engineering does, in a way, teach you to think.

Lastly, the money is good BUT you should

NEVER
NEVER
NEVER
NEVER

ever choose a career for the money - and I'll stand by that.

Hope this helps. [:)]

[rdt2]

-Should I become an engineer?
-What engineering discipline should I study?
-Is engineering difficult?

Last question first: Yes, engineering is difficult. Partly because it makes use of, but is not the same as, science. Engineers use science, physics and mathematics in particular, as tools. As with all tools, learning how to use these scientific tools takes hard work, largely because they are not:

a) intuitive
b) reinforced by day-to-day living.

If anyone is uncomfortable with _all_ of maths and physics, they are unlikely to succeed as an engineer. The _depth_ of math/physics anyone needs to know depends on the type of engineer they wish to become.

Middle question: Study whatever branch is most interesting ('sales engineering' is not an option). If none of them are, don't become an engineer (I'm a mechanic).

First question: The first page of http://www.mech.gla.ac.uk/~rthomson/teaching/lecnotes/ch01.htm might help with the decision.

Cheers,

Ron http://www.mech.gla.ac.uk/~rthomson

[Mark]

Yeah, im writing some Sat's write now for university, but im wondering, what to do as a career lol.

First question
To do engineering, or science (physics)

Second question
If engineering which one do I do?

Third question
What is a good north american engineering / science university?

Anyone have any comments to add?

[Hercule Poirot]

Eh bien, I am already through with engineering (electrical) and it's a week from my graduation ceremony.

As for choosing engineering as a career, I would really recommend it for those who are serious in their work, who are good in math and science, and who really like to see things work. A degree in engineering gives a broad range of career options from which someone can choose from.

Regards,

[rcg]

Good North American universities for engineering: CalTech, MIT, Waterloo (Canadian). In my opinion, regarded as the top three in North America, no particular order.

[ElementFire]

Second year Electrical Engineer here. If you can appreciate that small pieces make a whole, and want to understand how that happens, and are into Physics and Math in particular, Engineering is for you. I don't think anybody could just sail through Engineering, though. There will always be a subject or two in there that's bound to give you headaches.

[russ_watters]

There will always be a subject or two in there that's bound to give you headaches. I've debated whether it really is hard or whether the profs make it hard to weed out the weak. I've come to the conclusion that it really is hard. Even weed-out courses have to be made hard so people make the effort to understand them.

[brewnog]

No question about it, it really is hard. However it's very (and with Mechanical Eng, very very very!) diverse in terms of disciplines. I'm reasonable at maths, a bit crap at thermodynamics, but very good with design, and thus I struggle with some parts of engineering but sail through others. Other people I know are amazing at the theoretical, calculatory side of the profession but not so good with a spanner! If you reckon you can cope with some aspects, the chances are you can work hard enough to do well in the others.

I can't think of many professions which are as broad and varied as engineering, and in the average day (some mornings wearing a suit, some afternoons wearing overalls and safety boots) I definitely have a wider range of things to do than your average GP, accountant or solicitor.

[Crumbles]

-Should I become an engineer?


If you are thinking of going into engineering, my advice is think twice about whether it is science or engineering you want to get into. I started up myself with a degree in engineering only to find out it was not what I expected and then changed to science.

Engineers focus on how to make things work whereas science focuses on the fundamental understanding of WHY something works or behaves the way it does. I'm not saying one is better than the other but just ask yourself if you are more of a scientist or an engineer before you start your degree because science and engineering ARE very different from each other.

[decibel]

What type of engineering has the least/most math involved, i know they all do but specifically?

[enigma]

If you don't like working in teams, don't become an engineer.

Once you've graduated (and if your school is any good, latest in your Senior year) you will have nothing but large group assignments.

My senior capstone class was one project assigned to the entire class (24 people) which lasted the entire semester. This is most likely what your work experience will be like.

[Clausius2]

Some typical questions:

-Should I become an engineer?
-What engineering discipline should I study?
-Is engineering difficult?




Answer to first question:

Yes, but you will have to deal directly with the hell until you become graduated.

Answer to second question:

Mechanical. They are the most multidisciplinar boys you ever will meet. They are wherever you go.

Answer to third question:

Ha Ha Ha! :rofl: A lot, A lot. I don't know how are prepared USA's guys, but here an engineer is someone sent by God or something like that. In particular, Industrial engineering and Aeronautical engineering are the hardest of all.

[russ_watters]

What type of engineering has the least/most math involved, i know they all do but specifically? Eek, yeah, they all have a significant amount. Its like asking who has more money, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet - Gates has twice as much as Buffet, but Buffet still has thousands of times more than you.

Aerospace and Electrical probably have the most, but Mechanical and Materials still have years more than English. For a non-engineer, the difference between EE and Mech-E would seem insignificant.

[cronxeh]

1st question: if you see yourself as making something that matters in life, go for engineering. if you see yourself as being the next einstein, but you arent that good in mathematics or in geometric perception- go into engineering.

science (physics, chemistry, biology, etc) is for people who are willing to get paid less money, to work long hours and often times with little progress due to uncertainty in your work and due to the unknowns in sciences. research for a scientist is a combination of academic excellence, perseverance, and drive of curiosity. if you like teaching others or thinking of a career such as college professor this might just be the best option for you.

engineering (chemical, mechanical, civil, aerospace, electrical, etc) is for people who dont want to be journalists or accountants or customer service representatives because they want to make a difference in life, because they want to see their product - to be able to look at it and admire it with all the 5 senses. engineering is for those who want to make this world a better place, by taking serious responsibilities in everything they do, with a sense of righteosness. you might be smiling, but if engineer is lousy in his work, a lot of people will die, and a lot more might suffer. engineers get paid well compared to scientists.

now there is also a deviation from science which has a name of 'medical physicist'. those people are basically engineers, than scientists, and hence is their pay in 100k range/yr.

choose wisely, but if you are torn between the two like i am - go for both. get a dual degree in science and some engineering that interests you. for example: a dual degree, BS in Physics and BS in Electrical Engineering. Both majors are interrelated and would be a valuable addition to each other.

i'm a student in physics and chemical engineering. if you find everything interesting - go for this mix. chemical engineering is the universal engineering field. in combination with physics it creates an extremely broad range of knowledge and skills that employers will find useful.

[Albert Einstein]

now there is also a deviation from science which has a name of 'medical physicist'. those people are basically engineers, than scientists, and hence is their pay in 100k range/yr.

choose wisely, but if you are torn between the two like i am - go for both. get a dual degree in science and some engineering that interests you. for example: a dual degree, BS in Physics and BS in Electrical Engineering. Both majors are interrelated and would be a valuable addition to each other.

i'm a student in physics and chemical engineering. if you find everything interesting - go for this mix. chemical engineering is the universal engineering field. in combination with physics it creates an extremely broad range of knowledge and skills that employers will find useful.


Is the "medical physicist" the person with a dual degree? Just clarifying. Also, what kind of jobs could you get with such a degree?

I am a high school senior who is very interested in engineering and physics. I am very strong in math and physics, so it seems a likely career. I just dont know enough about the job part; what kind of job, wages, etc.

Thanks.
James

[cronxeh]

well there is a degree like that - Ph.D in Medical Physics
http://www.healthsciences.purdue.edu/academics/graduate/medicalphysics/phd.php

And the undergrade level (B.S in Medical Physics):
http://spider.pas.rochester.edu/mainFrame/education/undergrad/preMed.html

Also an excellent source of info on Physics careers, education, wages, etc:
http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos052.htm

And engineers:
http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

[AdamS]

I love learning how things work and solving problems. I work at an automotive manufacturer as a manager right now. We have engineers around here as well as maintenance guys. Since my degree in Computer Information Systems will not get me a job I have been thinking of changing careers. I thought about being a Actuary, since I am good at Math and like science. I can generally look at something(a piece of machinery) and understand how it works to a certain extent. I am thinking about talking to my boss about working with engineering some, maybe talk directly with some engineers about this.

[ramin86]

I am currently beginning my freshman year at Rutgers school of engineering. I've always had an interest in electronics and computers my whole life, and want to work with them, so I decided in majoring in electrical/computer engineering. Its only been 1 week so far, so I haven't really gotten a wide scope of things as an engineering student.

For whatever reason, I've really been stressed out the past couple days about engineering. My question is, I'm not great in math, although I have improved over the years. Physics I found to be rather difficult at times in high school. But, is it possible for me to make it through engineering school as long as I stay on top of things and work hard at it, despite not being a genius in physics or math?

[russ_watters]

For whatever reason, I've really been stressed out the past couple days about engineering. My question is, I'm not great in math, although I have improved over the years. Physics I found to be rather difficult at times in high school. But, is it possible for me to make it through engineering school as long as I stay on top of things and work hard at it, despite not being a genius in physics or math? In engineering, hard work is what it takes more than anything else. From my experience, it seemed that most people who washed out of engineering (and thats a significant fraction) did so because they weren't willing to put in the effort required.

Engineering isn't like other fields. In English or Political science, there isn't anything to figure out - do your reading, remember the facts, and state (and back up) your opinion. Its a different kind of learning that you do in engineering - much less memorization of facts and much more learning of methods.

[Clausius2]

. But, is it possible for me to make it through engineering school as long as I stay on top of things and work hard at it, despite not being a genius in physics or math?

To add something about russ_watters have answered you, by the way, I agree with him; you must know I was not an excellent student at high school (also I was not the worst). And I was not excellent too in Maths and Physics. Don't worry about that. Later, you will study more interesting things in university, and surely you will study not for obligation, but you'll like it.

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

i'm currently in my first year at the Laurentian University school of engineering, i'm taking mining, although being an engineer was plan B for me (plan A was scrap after i went to see an optometrist) i was always facinated about how stuff works, and i was always around engineers, but i was debating between Mining and Mech. and after a summer at the Diavik Diamond Mine in northern Canada, i was hooked with mining, but it is mostly up the the individual, what ever interests you go for it, we are 8 in my engineering class, maily cuz people dont want to go into mining, and we will all graduate, unless someone drops out, it is hard, but as long as your on top of things your good, and dont worry about being a bad engineer after graduating, the school is there to make you a good engineer, but you gotta want it, but if you go into mining, you get little perks like playing with dynomite hehe oh the fun times i will have, also mining is less uptight then others, they are all relax, i've heard one say this (in a french accent) "hey Jean-Guy, do it, whatever" hehe it was hilarious

also if you are undecided between eng profession, ask yourself this, do i want to work outside in the field, or stuck in a cubical from 9 to 5, that will narrow the choices by half

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

[QUOTE=Mark]
Third question
What is a good north american engineering / science university?[QUOTE]
there are many great schools in Canada, depends what field
Mining, defenitly Laurentian U haileybury(sp?) school of mines, they have the best program cuz it more hands on

queens is good, waterloo, u of Alberta, there are many in Canada choose one

[rayjohn01]

I think that if you have to ask this type of question that you have not found your love -- i.e. the thing which turns you on, which causes you loss of sleep, which you truly enjoy -- and the point is that no-one can tell you this only you.
I personally knew what I was interested in ( without knowing the details from about 10 years old ) -- it appears to me that you have not seen enough yet to know what it is you really wish -- to be good at something the prime thing is to be INTERESTED this allows you to conquer the details whether that is maths or whatever. That is not to say your going to be the greatest in the world but maybe satisfied.
My prime examples are Einstein ( who worked in the background at what he was truly interested in without input from ANYBODY) Maxwell who worked independantly to solve electromagnetism -- and 'monster garage' where guys work wonders without any formal education at all.
WHAT is IT you LOVE ??????????? if you say nothing then the question is moot.

[graphic7]

I think that if you have to ask this type of question that you have not found your love -- i.e. the thing which turns you on, which causes you loss of sleep, which you truly enjoy -- and the point is that no-one can tell you this only you.
I personally knew what I was interested in ( without knowing the details from about 10 years old ) -- it appears to me that you have not seen enough yet to know what it is you really wish -- to be good at something the prime thing is to be INTERESTED this allows you to conquer the details whether that is maths or whatever. That is not to say your going to be the greatest in the world but maybe satisfied.
My prime examples are Einstein ( who worked in the background at what he was truly interested in without input from ANYBODY) Maxwell who worked independantly to solve electromagnetism -- and 'monster garage' where guys work wonders without any formal education at all.
WHAT is IT you LOVE ??????????? if you say nothing then the question is moot.

Einstein did have a formal education at the time he had published his theory of Special Relativity. It was through a friend that he had heard about tensors. Maxwell had a formal education, as well, and what we know today as Maxwell's equations, are not Maxwell's equations. Yes, Maxwell deserves the majority of the credit, but it was Heaviside who cleaned them up.

[Engineering_Lo]

I'm currently a first-ish (second year - math deficient they call me...that hurts too) studying computer engineering via the GTREP (Georgia Tech regents engineering program) at Georgia Southern. I've wanted to be an engineer since... age 7? I always wanted to improve upon things, tinker with things. Love Physics, and programming...honestly couldn't stand math until later in highschool but slowly falling in love with it.
I don't think engineering can really be easy for anyone, I see a lot my friends here who breezed through calc I n II, Physics and the first programming classes but now finding themselves hard to stay motiviated... you have to love it. never ever just for the money. eat/sleep/drink... engineering classes... in fact forget sleep. I save that for winter break ^-~

[synapicphysic]

here's my take ... inexperianced as it may be ...

I have a hard time believing that anything is ultimately that difficult. Rather the difficulty is found in the absolute requirement to discipline yourself to sit down and resign yourself to a regime of studying and learning ... engineering in and of itself I don't this is difficult or hard. It's pushing yourself to think outside the box, developing a mindset that is not confined by the pretenses of what "IS" ... or how things "ARE", but rather look for the possibility to redefine what it "IS", or how things "ARE". The difficult part of engineering is breaking yourself out of the mold that we are cast in from the time we are placed in a desk in schools and told how things are supposed to work, and what the rules are that we operate within.

Engineers must be the most open minded people in existance due to the need to be able to create original solutions to unoriginal problems ...

[arizonian]

A mechanical engineer is a mechanic with the tools in his head. He may or may not be good with a wrench or torch, but he will understand what has to be done and what not to do.

I am 49 and in my last year(I hope) of ME at the U of Arizona, and I wonder why I did not do this long ago. The hours studying are killing me, I already have a 25 year career as a welder, my GPA is not that of a younger student, and I did what? Must be a love for things mechanical.

Make up your mind with your heart, and enjoy what you are doing now. If you do not enjoy it, change something. Life is too short to wonder "Did I do the right thing?"

On edit: Don't say "I can't";

rather, " I haven't yet."

Good Luck

Bill

[Astronuc]

CAREERS IN SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING
A Student Planning Guide to Grad School and Beyond

http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/careers/contents.html

Also in the US:

National Academy of Engineering
http://www.nae.edu/

National Society of Professional Engineers
http://www.nspe.org/

National Academies
http://www.nationalacademies.org/

There are comparable organizations in all industrial countries.

[Chronos]

Engineering is the bridge between science and technology. A good engineer understands both ends. I can say this, it is very satisfying to nurture a design concept into a working model. In practice, you will find it necessary to learn a great deal of science outside your specialty to be an effective engineer.

[futb0l]

Okay, here's my input. At the moment I'm a 2nd year electronic engineering student in South Africa. I, personally, love studying engineering though it's one field that can guarantee that if you're a little insane, you're sure to BE insane by the end of your years of studying.

To be an engineer, I think, you should have a flair for Maths. Especially if you're thinking of doing it professionally with a degree instead of a technical diploma, the theoretical aspect of maths will ensure your great understanding of concepts you will probably only apply years after graduating.

Also, as much as I'm not really this type, you have to have a practical understanding of things. Granted (at leats I've been told) that as a qualified engineer, you can never do a practical application again - but rather just the calculations - if you can't see the solution, it ain't gonna work.

Anyway, lets get onto something I definetely KNOW about - student life. Studying engineering is basically a self-imposed 4 (or more) year sentence to hard labour. You WILL have no time, you WILL have 30 odd page reports due every week, you WILL lose like a million hours of sleep, you WILL have an astronomical coffee bill, you WILL be stressed, you WILL at times have no clue what you're doing BUT if you are true engineering material, you WILL never look back and even half-consider changing your course.

I think engineering is a calling. You know, as an engineer, you are at the forefront of development and your company that you will have on campus (ie. other engineers) will be like minded people who CAN make a difference (maybe not politically but more uh...structurally) in the world. Even though you appear to have no life, engineering will ensure that you do enjoy yourself after all - as an engineer, you will "engineer" free time and yes, I know that was a dry joke.

As for the field - thats personal. You have to have an interset in that field to choose it. However, I say that Electronic/Electrical/Computer is the way if you are more mathematically inclined as mech/aero/civil etc. are very practical fields compared to elec.

Also, when I was deciding on my career path, I was informed about this "wonder" that encompasses engineering. Once in the job market, you may never ever have to do engineering again. Why? Employers employ engineers in fields which require brilliant thought and introspection. By attaining an engineering degree, it shows you have exquisite probel-solvng skills. Also, engineering does, in a way, teach you to think.

Lastly, the money is good BUT you should

NEVER
NEVER
NEVER
NEVER

ever choose a career for the money - and I'll stand by that.

Hope this helps. [:)]

Wow - thanks for posting :) One of my friend is doing electrical engineering and his view is very very similar to yours.

[Hercule Poirot]

A mechanical engineer is a mechanic with the tools in his head. He may or may not be good with a wrench or torch, but he will understand what has to be done and what not to do.

I am 49 and in my last year(I hope) of ME at the U of Arizona, and I wonder why I did not do this long ago. The hours studying are killing me, I already have a 25 year career as a welder, my GPA is not that of a younger student, and I did what? Must be a love for things mechanical.

Make up your mind with your heart, and enjoy what you are doing now. If you do not enjoy it, change something. Life is too short to wonder "Did I do the right thing?"

On edit: Don't say "I can't";

rather, " I haven't yet."

Good Luck

Bill inspiring! I knew two "out of age" students, one of them was struggling on his program (Me and other friends used to help him to get along), he became an icon well known for his resilience and determination to succeed.

[the_little_guy]

which sounds better Mechatronics or Nano Technology

[the_little_guy]

why does everyone forget the little guy?

[stjimmy]

Do you know what skills are essential to be an engineer?
you know like is it a good sign that you tinkered a lot and a bad sign if you didn't? do you need mechanical dexetrity and facilty to be an engineering student or is creatitvty more imporant too the wanna-be engineer.
as well i love math and science princepls but don't have much mechincal skill/facility/dexterity.. etc.Will this be a drawback?

[physicsless]

I would like more information (not just the usual university descriptions) on these four different branches of engineering if possible:

Computer Systems Engineering, Electrical & Computer Engineering, Engineering Science and Mechatronics.

I hope someone can answer questions like

What does each branch generally do? What do graduates of each branch typically get jobs doing? What is the pay difference? Which has the most promising and exciting future? Which do you like best and why? :biggrin:

Thanks

[swirljem]

Interesting post indeed. I guess I'll put my 2 cents in for those who are considering an Engineer career down the road.

To me Engineering is all about one thing - pratical problem solving. Even though there are research and development work associated with many different fields of Engineering, at the end of the day, it takes good problem solving skills to become a good engineer, no matter in what discipline of Engineering you are in.

Engineering is difficult in the above sense, because not every problem has viable solutions. One has to take the term "Viable" in greater context, i.e. solving a problem under certain constraints (physical limitations, available time/resources/funds etc). This is perhaps what makes Engineering interesting because there is a great deal of achievement associated with the resulting success of "a problem solved" within those realistic constraints, and to be able to do successfully it takes good engineering skills, experience, and not the least - creativeness - capability to think outside the box.

Some people tend to think to become an Engineer one must have good design capability. That's only part of the story. Besides strong math and engineering skills, A good engineer must strong analytical and communication skills and common sense.

There are many career functions which requires strong Engineering skills and knowledge but the responsiblities are not necessarily directly related to design. I can give a few examples:

Applications Engineers - work with Design Engineers, Sales & Marketing and Manufacturing to define product specifications, qualify technical issues / inquiries and define scope of work. They are not design gurus but they are very important links between the real world (customers) and the draft desk (manufacturer).

Quality Assurance Engineers - these are problems preventers - they develop and enforce quality check procedures protocols to make sure things are produced / implemented correctly.

Sales Engineers - for people who got into Engineering, like to work with machines as well as people but found actual engineering somewhat boring, and they like to make money. Knowing the product or service your company makes and find ways to sell them to those who needs them, not only requires good product & application knowledge (which comes from your Engineering skills), but also self-motivation and good people skills.

Controls Engineers - this is a fun career who likes automation. A machine can only be a machine when someone figures out which part moves, when should it move and how far it should move. Not only you need good Mechanical amplitude but Electrical equally as well.

Project Engineers - sometimes I don't see them as "real" engineers because the scope of work they do go beyond "typical" engineering responsibilities. Running a project is fundamentally solving a problem under certain contraints as mentioned above. So it takes great organization, communication, and even management skills to handle issues at hand. You can find project engineers in almost any fields (Mechnical, Industrial, Chemical, Civil, Computer). Because of the great demand of the three different skills as mentioned, many corporate managers were one time Project Engineers / Project Managers.

I've been working for a packaging machinery company for 12 years. These are the typical "Engineering" positions I deal with on a day-to-day basis, and of course they are a small part of the vast Engineering positions / disciplines out there, you simply don't hear or learn about these type of jobs when you are in school, not until when you start looking for jobs.

As our world is becoming more and more sophisticated, new Engineering disciplines emerge every day, and more complex and unique Engineering functions are developed to meet corporate demands. I would say the answer to the question "what type of Engineer should I become?" is fairly simple - go with what you love the most, but keep an open mind because things can change rapidly during the few years when you go through your Engineering degree, and your future career may not be what you think at this time. Be perceptive to what is out there and keep an open mind.

One last word of advice though - don't make your decision based upon which Engineering Discipline makes more money. You may end up getting into something you don't enjoy doing (which should be the most important thing).

[cincirob]

Engineers use science, physics and mathematics in particular, as tools. As with all tools, learning how to use these scientific tools takes hard work, largely because they are not:

a) intuitive
b) reinforced by day-to-day living.

cinci: As a Mechanical Engineer (capitalized because that's the title of my degree) with 40+ years of experience I must disagree slightly with your first comment. If engineering principles aren't intuitive or at least become intuitive as you study, then engineering isn't for you.

On being reinforced by day-to-day living, I must disgree completely. :-) Again, a good engineer (and I've known a few) will see the principles at work in everything around him. Sometimes distractingly.

I have one warning about being an engineer though: If you chhose t be one, you will find yourself at parties or in your neighborhood and someone you know sill approach saying "You're and engineer........................." In general, what follows will be the most intractable question that you can imagine.

[Hellstorm]

Do I sound like Engineer material? I'm 16, and still play with Legos... I love building! And am always building something. From rock castles when I was 7, to tree forts when I was 11. To computers, lego buildings and designing lego Spaceships now. I'm a very creative person... from art, to legos, to even writing stories... I'm also into Astronomy and space... I also have always been intrested in how things work. I’m a big Gamer. I like games like Homeworld & Homeworld2, Halo & Halo2... In school, Biology is my Best subject, but not my favorite... that’s history... Math used to be my favorite, but I slowly fell behind with the smartest of my grade and never picked back up on it. so, do I sound like a future Engineer?

[physicsCU]

Legos are the first tools of an engineer.

Let me answer the questions first:

1. Hells yeah, be an engineer.

2. As far as a discipline, choose what you love. I love airplanes, always have. I am an aerospace major. If you like more generic mechanical stuff, choose mech. I can give you some insight into aero though. You learn a lot about everything. You will study thermodynamics, design, aerodynamics, structures, propulsion, materials, biomedical, etc.

3. The work is INSANE. Luckily all I need is 4 hours of sleep and a shower, then I am good to go. I will say when you are pulling all-nighters, about 5 AM, you will get a second wind and you seriously will be able to run a marathon. That is when your body runs out of energy and adrenaline starts pumping out like there is no tomorrow.

As far as a school, only you can decide. I chose mine mostly on cost and location, but we also have the 12th best aerospace department of any school in the USA, public and private. That is pretty damn good.

Basically, if you want to learn how things work, love math and science, enjoy tinkering, and are not afraid to get dirty, you will be a good engineer.

And don't worry about grades. The engineer who graduates last is still an engineer and will still get a job out of college.

Basically, you are about to commit three+ years of your life to insanity.

You must be of sound mind and body, grasshopper. Only then will you be ready to take on the demons of engineering.

But I honestly wouldn't have it any other way.

[jai6638]

Basically, if you want to learn how things work, love math and science, enjoy tinkering, and are not afraid to get dirty, you will be a good engineer.

The problem is that I'm interested in knowing how things work ( and thats mainly why i wanna do engineering ) and love math and science too but i personally dont like "tinkering"..Its probably me being lazy or something but i try avoiding it.. Does that make me unsuitable for engineering?

[Hellstorm]

In reply to jai6638

LOL, i'm the same way... except I love tinkering and I hate math....

[Hellstorm]

In reply to physicsCU

Well, If I could, I would love to fly like a fighter jet... (i'm a big thrill seeker and my dad was going to be a fighter pilot but studied acounting instead.) I don't have the eyesight to be a fighter pilot tho... Planes are cool, but I dont know I'd want to build them... as in Aerospace tho, I'd love to create spaceships but I was born in the wrong time for that... Even when I talk about it I doubt myself because it sounds so fantisyish.. but I am very creative on the other hand...

[burnhard gandah]

If you want to know how to do things without knowing why they are done then become an engineer, but if you want to know how to do things and why they are done then physics is the best option for any one who is considering whether they should become an Engineer. I personally think Engineers just put into practice Physics laws something which can not be said to be difficult. Engineering is not a difficult subject, Maths and physics are.

[brewnog]

If you want to know how to do things without knowing why they are done then become an engineer, but if you want to know how to do things and why they are done then physics is the best option for any one who is considering whether they should become an Engineer. I personally think Engineers just put into practice Physics laws something which can not be said to be difficult. Engineering is not a difficult subject, Maths and physics are.


With all due respect, you're talking out of your arse.

[FredGarvin]

If you want to know how to do things without knowing why they are done then become an engineer, but if you want to know how to do things and why they are done then physics is the best option for any one who is considering whether they should become an Engineer. I personally think Engineers just put into practice Physics laws something which can not be said to be difficult. Engineering is not a difficult subject, Maths and physics are.

Your head is up your arse.

[AntonVrba]

Engineering has lost it status and competition is tough

In India most who can afford to study either study medicine or engineering, and let me telll you the engineers from India are really clever and due to their numbers do not demand high salaries.

So what happens - big companies outsource their engineering work to India.

As for stautus, remember engineer is derived from the french word genius and not from the steam engine, but we have so many non technical managers who have connected their PC to their toy train set and now think they also can do engineering.

I certainly will not study engineering again, this is after 30 years engineering experience, leasure management that is what I advise.

If you want to go for engineering, then my advice is become a real engineer and study a bit from all disciplines - the specialist that that universities spit out have limited opportunity but ideally suited for corporate structures - knowing a bit about all allows you to manage multidisciplinary projects.

Remember, an Engineer is someone who knows a little about evrything, a Specialist is somebody who knows everything about a little

As for burnhard gandah he seems to be the ultimate super specialist.

[.....]

I'm in my first year of engineering (mechanical), I'm finding the workload almost impossible to cope with :(

A few people have told me it gets easier in the progressive years, but I'm skeptical, would you guys agree with their opinion?

[brewnog]

I'm in my first year of engineering (mechanical), I'm finding the workload almost impossible to cope with :(

A few people have told me it gets easier in the progressive years, but I'm skeptical, would you guys agree with their opinion?

Yes and no. First year tends to involve getting everyone up to the same standard in all the basic engineering sciences, and maths, as well as giving a background in some of the things you haven't already learnt (perhaps manufacturing or design). While the material isn't necessarily that hard, it's probably harder than whatever you did before university, and there's definitely a lot more of it.

Depending on the course, you might find that 2nd year has a similar workload but more difficult material. I found this, and then found that 3rd year was easy, and quite fun!

Stick with it, engineering degrees are not easy courses, but the rewards are worth it.

[bruce999]

Very simply. NO. You visit uni engineering departments and they look cool - loads of engines and wind tunnels and testing machines. When you get there you rarely, if ever, use any of that stuff. Its maths, maths, maths and very long hours. You also won't get a job unless you've got loads of relevant work experience.

[brewnog]

Very simply. NO. You visit uni engineering departments and they look cool - loads of engines and wind tunnels and testing machines. When you get there you rarely, if ever, use any of that stuff. Its maths, maths, maths and very long hours.

You seem to be talking out of your arse too.

While there is a lot of theory (and there has to be), I've used high volume wind tunnels, supersonic wind tunnels, jet engine test bays, diesel engine testing facilities, load cells, drop hammers, compact testing machines, laser processing facilities, lathes, milling machines, welders, CNC routers and many others as a routine part of my course. On average, I had around 8 hours of practical lab sessions per week for my first two years, in addition to CAD, modelling, and design sessions.

It's not maths, maths and more maths. While maths is a tool which is always an integral part of an engineering degree, saying that an engineering degree is all maths is like saying an English degree is all words. A completely meaningless and inaccurate statement.


You also won't get a job unless you've got loads of relevant work experience.

This is also misguided. While relevant work experience makes you a more attractive graduate in the eyes of employers, one short placement is usually more than adequate to show employers that you have a taste for the industry, and have the skills needed to apply your academic learnings. Industry is desperate for good graduate engineers, and I'm sure most people would agree that you're far more employable as an engineering graduate than having studied any other course. A good proportion of my old coursemates who have since graduated have walked straight into very good jobs relying on academic success only.

[bruce999]

While there is a lot of theory (and there has to be), I've used high volume wind tunnels, supersonic wind tunnels, jet engine test bays, diesel engine testing facilities, load cells, drop hammers, compact testing machines, laser processing facilities, lathes, milling machines, welders, CNC routers and many others as a routine part of my course. On average, I had around 8 hours of practical lab sessions per week for my first two years, in addition to CAD, modelling, and design sessions.


You were obviously fortunate. I had 4hrs of labs a week for the first 2 years. 4 Hrs out of 26 a week and you can't deny the fact that those labs always boil down to maths. I have nothing against maths i'm just saying that it IS the core of engineering. Every subject - Thermodynamics, Fluid mechanics, dynamics, control etc is all maths. I just think that people should be aware of this fact as most engineering departments carefully neglect to mention the true nature of the course.

[FredGarvin]

I think anyone that enters an engineering curricula without the foreknowledge that it will be math intense has not done any research prior to enrolling in the field of study or simply chose to ignore what people told them.

I used pretty much every piece of equipment my school had for my major field of study. Playing with equipment is not what it is about anyways. They are tools for information. The information and data are what you are striving for. I guess I don't understand where you are coming from on this point.

Also, your comment about not getting a job without experience is not factual at all. Experience is a plus, but not necessary when companys are in the market for hiring young engineers. Companys know what they are getting when they interview new graduates.

[bruce999]

FredGarvin

Sounds like a better place where you are - US I assume.

Here in the UK most engineering companies won't even give you an interview unless you have extensive experience. There is fierce competition for jobs offered by large companies, who offer reasonable starting salaries, and they use work experience as a filter. The starting salaries in smaller companies are usually quite poor so people move away from engineering for employment.

As brewnog said engineering grads are, generally, more employable than other graduates in non-engineering roles.

[brewnog]

FredGarvin

Sounds like a better place where you are - US I assume.

Here in the UK most engineering companies won't even give you an interview unless you have extensive experience. There is fierce competition for jobs offered by large companies, who offer reasonable starting salaries, and they use work experience as a filter. The starting salaries in smaller companies are usually quite poor so people move away from engineering for employment.

As brewnog said engineering grads are, generally, more employable than other graduates in non-engineering roles.

Bruce. I'm in the UK, and have just (this week) been offered two seperate jobs, in engineering, on graduate training programmes, with starting salaries in excess of £22k, with very reputable companies. I have under 10 weeks of practical, real-world experience under my belt, which was only partly relevant to one of the jobs. Most of the other guys being interviewed had similar levels of experience, but almost all were attending interviews to decide which offers to accept! There is so much of a shortage of good engineering graduates that graduates choose which employers they want to work for, not the other way round. I'm currently turning down interviews...

Incidentally, the job I was offered with the smaller company (25 employees; - the smallest employer to offer the MPDS programme) had a higher starting salary than the large company (10,000 employees in the UK alone).

[nhut]

This is probably my first post here. Yay for me.

I'm currently in my final year of secondary school, and will start university next year. From what I've read, engineering sounds like what I want to do (I enjoy maths and physics, and loved playing with lego until I 'grew out' of it). Engineering also sounds incredibly diverse, which is obviously a good thing in many respects, but it makes it hard to work out what field you'd like to study. :smile:

Fortunately where I'm going you don't have to decide your field of study until the end of your first year, but I'd still like to know in much detail what the various fields of engineering involve. Anyone care to educate me? :smile:

[FredGarvin]

Engineering also sounds incredibly diverse, which is obviously a good thing in many respects, but it makes it hard to work out what field you'd like to study.

That is indeed very true. Many people get a real understanding of what it is they like about engineering after they have been in the private sector for a while and have had some exposure to real world engineering. That is definitely not uncommon.

I think in the the main factions of engineering, i.e. mechanical, electrical and chemical, you can make the decision early what general area interests you. You should have an inkling as to what you like and what you don't. All of those areas have many specializations within them that are the tougher decision to make. Don't worry too much about that right now. You'll see how it somewhat, just develops.

[brewnog]

I think in the the main factions of engineering, i.e. mechanical, electrical and chemical, you can make the decision early what general area interests you. You should have an inkling as to what you like and what you don't. All of those areas have many specializations within them that are the tougher decision to make. Don't worry too much about that right now. You'll see how it somewhat, just develops.

This is all good advice.

Nhut, you grew out of Lego?! Sacrilege!

I'd just like to add civil engineering to Fred's list of main disciplines. If you can get any work experience at all, then you should be able to get an idea of whether mechanical, civil, electrical or chemical is the right kind of field for you. You'll be able to specialise more (structural, aerospace, automotive, mining etc) much later so don't worry about that too much at this stage.

If you're still not sure, then mechanical engineering always seems to be the broadest in terms of content, and has relatively easy paths into other disciplines.

[mister_okay]

Is there such thing as automotive engineering? If there is, can someone give me some brief info on it (no links please).

[pete worthington]

If there is, and it is a Bachelors of Science program you may want consider if is really a wise choice. a Mechanical Engineering degree can get you into the automotive field. When I got me M.E. degree in 1987 I interviewed with Ford Motor Company, a plastics engineering firm that supplied technology to the automotive industry and a rubber processing eguipment manufacturing firm that supplied tire companies with equipment.

In my opinion you would be better off getting a M.E. degree at a college or university that is in the vacinity of heavy auto manufacturing. That way the connections and applications, perhaps even work/study or co-op, would be there for your specific interest while you earn a degreee that is more applicable to a broader area.

I would imagine that the curriculum in the first three years would be very similar anyhow. Good Luck !

[FredGarvin]

Is there such thing as automotive engineering? If there is, can someone give me some brief info on it (no links please).
I laugh (no, make that cringe) when I hear that term. However, with all of my preconceived notions aside I will tell you that my alma mater has a MS in Automotive Engineering available. They do not have an undergrad as far as I know. If they did that would be a damn shame. If you would like a link to my school I'd be happy to email it to you or post it.

If automotive is your choice, I would re read Pete's last post and seriously consider it.

[brewnog]

There are several undergrad (BEng & MEng) Automotive Engineering degrees available over here, particularly some excellent ones at Birmingham and Loughborough. They're pretty much Mech Eng degrees with an automotive slant. They kinda go against Fred and Pete's advice, and for those who definitely want to enter the automotive field they're very well respected by industry, and even for non-automotive degrees they're broad enough to get you jobs which might normally employ straight Mech Eng graduates.

[nikola-tesla]

in a month i'll be starting my 1st year of EE studies. although i've been a very good high school student, i do worry will i be able to manage my university studies since i never did like physics. i do like mathematics and electrical engineering courses, but physics does NOT attract me. am i dummed for a failure:-)

[brewnog]

in a month i'll be starting my 1st year of EE studies. although i've been a very good high school student, i do worry will i be able to manage my university studies since i never did like physics. i do like mathematics and electrical engineering courses, but physics does NOT attract me. am i dummed for a failure:-)


It seems slightly odd that someone so interested in EE dislikes physics so much, but since you've enrolled on an EE course and say that you DO like EE type courses, I don't see why there should be a problem! While you'll be using lots of concepts which are based on ideas you could learn on a physics course, almost all of it will be of an engineering nature. If you've done well at school, there's absolutely no reason why you can't succeed at university.

Good luck anyway!

[Nomy-the wanderer]

[QUOTE=russ_watters]Should I become an engineer?

Well my 1st thought was i'm a practical person who's in love with maths and physics...An engineer is someone creative that can have ideas more economic and much easier to use a certain theory of whatever...

-What engineering discipline should I study?

Engineering is not all about pure physics, i mean i'm a nuclear engineer, i love both physcis and maths and i should, because nuclear engineering is all about physics and i will have to use a lot of maths, but thinking physics is different then thinking maths...
But an EE can hate physics and love maths, and certainly has to love maths, electrical engineers are all about maths, even their physics don't just use maths as a language but it's all about maths ...
It's kinda hard to me to explain in which sense, but clearly we had the same courses to study sometimes, and probably it was hard for them to solve some of our problems, because the hardest part there is about using mathematics, for us the hardest part was using physics itself...

Well i'm sorry if i'm not clear but it depends on what u feel comfortable with more, again engineering is a life style, i believe engineers can replace each other, it doesn't matter what's ur speciality, it matters more that u've the mind of an engineer.

-Is engineering difficult?

For me it's easier than anything in the world, and it has affected the way i think and deal with things deeply...So i think it's a character issue. Eversince i was a child people noticed i was practical, and mostly use the shortest ways to get what i wanted. After finishing the highschool, i spent sometime with myself, thinking that being an engineer was my entire life dream but do i really fit?? Well i was never certain untill i finished my 1st general year, everything was clearer to me.

[zeronem]

I've been struggling with these kind of questions forever.

I am talented at Mathematics and Physics. I have a hard time deciding whether I should go Full Blown Mathematics, Full Blown Physics, or go for engineering. My original major is Mathematics. I enjoy explaining Mathematics, however I can find it quite boring because it is so easy and repetitive to me. Though I am always learning something new in the Mathematics as I continue, then it slowly but surely gets repetitive until I go onto something new. I am not bad at Solving Physics Problems at all, and I enjoy explaining Physics. Physics doesn't much get boring to me. However I must admit, my skills in Mathematics are quite incredible compared to Physics problem solving. I find though, that I have no trouble at all when it comes down to solving Physics Problems in general.

I always loved the Theory behind it all. I have the ability for my mind to make a transition from Mathematics to Physics. I come across Mathematics I can solve Mathematics Problems. I come across Physics Problems, I can easily make a transition from Mathematics problem solving to Physics Problem solving in terms of Understanding Physical Concepts. I am originally a Math Major who took some Physics classes just for the Theory behind the Physics and not for the engineering aspect.

Richard Feynman was right, when mentioned the differences between Mathematics and Physics. How he explained that some some students of Mathematics may look at Physics and make the cocky claim that he/she can do Physics just as well as the Physics student since he/she can do the math. He also explained that those mathematics students may go far, but as for major contributions to their field, is rare.

Though, I have met with a striking blow to the stomach. I would like to make money, and I would like to beable to buy a beach house in a little secluded area of Hawaii. The thing is I can go for a Ph.D in Mathematics which was my original direction. Or I can go for a Ph.D in Physics. However If I go for engineering I don't have to go to school as much as I would if I were to go for a Ph.D.

I do admit though. It would be nice to beable to take all the same holidays off as do Students do, If I were to go into teaching College. I do not want to teach High School, and if I had to teach I would only go as low as say Community College. I would love to be off every summer, not have to teach at college and just to relax in my dream beach house. I know I sound crazy, but it's my dream.

Anyways, there is also the fear that If I were to go far into Mathematics I would get tired of attending school any longer and end up only with a Masters. I know many Math Professors at my Community College who just got their Masters, and didn't feel like attending School any longer to get a Ph.D

I also want to have a family early in my life. If I were to go for a Ph.D I may not have time for that. If I only go for Masters I may have time. If I do engineering I know for sure I can get some time to start a family. As I know many Engineers that have started families at a young age, or atleast as it looks to me they did.

I have also met with another devastating blow that has killed me from my love for Mathematics. That at the age I am at, is supposedly the age where one make's their original contribution to Mathematics. I have not yet thought of my original idea. I can't seem to invent or discover any thing original in Mathematics which has brought me low morale in trying. I have ideas in my head I cannot describe Mathematically. I can do the mathematics, I certainly cannot think of that original idea. That leaves me with Physics, whereas I certainly cannot think of an original idea due that I am still in my lower stages of learning modern Physics.

When it comes to engineering, I do not know exactly what I am going to be getting myself into. I know exactly what I am going to be getting into when it comes to Mathematics and Physics. As for Engineering, I am dead clueless. I don't care much for chemistry, however the only aspect I can see myself dealing with that is related to chemistry is Thermodynamics. Though Thermodynamics is generally more of Physics, Quantum Physics. Anything else with chemistry can be left to the chemists.

I am also a perfectionist. I find it takes me a long time to do experiments in Science simply because everything has to be perfect. As I was doing Physics Experiments in my Physics lab, my team would always be the last to get done with the experiment. I come to the notion that whatever Scientific tools used to perform Science Experiments I have to throughly get used to and know exactly all the particular functions of the tool. Which can be a heavy disadvantage to getting experiments done on time. When it comes down to it, I've always like the theory rather then experiment. I think maybe I am willing to bare with experiments. Especially If I were to get into Experimental Physics.

I have thought about Mathematical Physics, but that is of course not generally offered among Universities. I have also thought about Electrical Engineering, simply due to the heavy Mathematics involved however, I do not care much for Computer Science which is also involved heavily in Electrical Engineering. Which brings me down to Mechanical Engineering which is a little bit of Everything. Then as Engineer one has to beable to design. I find I am probably not going to be that great of a designer either.

So I am left at the crossroads. Maybe I shouldn't pursue anything remotely near to Math or Science. Maybe I should just pick up a guitar and learn it and feel satisfied enough. Is it possible for one to go into professional research for a company with only a Masters in Mathematics? or Masters in Physics?

[brewnog]

- Don't choose anything just for the money
- Don't choose anything just because you can do it well
- Don't choose anything just for the career prospects

The part of your post which did catch my eye was that you've "loved" the theory behind maths and physics. It's this 'love' which you should try and pursue. I'm not saying you should do pure maths or physics, but find something which you can throw passion into.

[russ_watters]

I have also met with another devastating blow that has killed me from my love for Mathematics. That at the age I am at, is supposedly the age where one make's their original contribution to Mathematics. I have not yet thought of my original idea. I can't seem to invent or discover any thing original in Mathematics which has brought me low morale in trying. I have ideas in my head I cannot describe Mathematically. I can do the mathematics, I certainly cannot think of that original idea. That leaves me with Physics, whereas I certainly cannot think of an original idea due that I am still in my lower stages of learning modern Physics. Ya know, you don't need a Nobel Prize to be a successful professor, right? If it happens, great, but I think you're setting the bar a little high.

I can assure you that if you do something you don't enjoy just for the sake of money, you'll be miserable. Yes, money is important, but it isn't the most important consideration when deciding on a career.

[zeronem]

I do enjoy the Math and Physics, and I can pretty much enjoy anything that I do well at. However I do not know if I can do Engineering well enough to get a rise out of it. But I am pressured to maybe give engineering a try. I just worry whether If I'll get that same rise out of Engineering like I do the Math and Physics.

I was born and raised in a very conservative family given I was born and raised in the heart of Conservative America(Texas). My whole family measures how smart you are by how much money you have or make. Given that I gained a passion for math and science and the ability to carry it out, I have been pressured by my family, friends, and professors to get into engineering and go for money. My old man had to work three jobs at once at one time. I'de certainly like to pay my parents back for their hard work. I just don't know if I have what it takes to get a Ph.D. Surely I can, but like I said I don't want to end up stopping at a Masters degree like most Mathematics professor I know that did so. Engineering does look highly interesting to me, but the question is whether I will get the same rise out of it as I get out of solving math and physics problems. I think it is matter of giving engineering a shot, and If I truly like it then I will stay with it.

[Nomy-the wanderer]

Zeronem i think engineering would be great, as long as u love both, and there r fields where it cna be more physics or more mathematics, so it's up to u..

And then u don't have to make any breakthrough, engineering is more about practicality so if u can be so...Go ahead!

But i agree don't concern urself with being unproven or the career prospect later follow ur passion!

I'd have joined pharmacy if i thought of a better career at leats i'd have managed our own pharmacy and i'd have foudn a thousand oppotunities for a great job with a great salary!

[Orgonics]

I am already a trained and qualified Engineer just not in this exact field.

www.i-sis.org.uk

Genetic sequences are analysed by supercomputers these days. How many manipulate genetics by using some form of physics here?

Zeronem what field would you be inetrested in graduating in? If you like science and enjoy experimenting then an eventual Ph.D may be good for you. It's worth getting a degree just for your CV or Reseme these days.

[Orgonics]

Ya know, you don't need a Nobel Prize to be a successful professor, right? If it happens, great, but I think you're setting the bar a little high.

I can assure you that if you do something you don't enjoy just for the sake of money, you'll be miserable. Yes, money is important, but it isn't the most important consideration when deciding on a career.

Money means absolutely nothing to me, as long as I can survive I am very happy. Luxuries in life is what we all seem to want these days, when we do not essentially require them in most cases. The East is fast becoming the West when we look at their modernised cities, industry, technology, way of life, etc. Humane beings mean much more to me than trying to make a million, but I do want to progress with some sense of achievement in life to know and feel what I've gained when I look back each month or year. In fact the East is now more advanced than the west - with all outsourcing and industrial corporations operating from Asia even the MoD depends on China now. :bugeye:

Go where your heart leads you, not your mind. You will be happy if you listen to yourself - your true feeling. :cry:

[Humber]

Orgonics,
Wanting to be paid well does not mean that one is greedy. Perhaps for now, you are contented with your currrent income, but time may well change that. Money does not only buy luxuries, but freedom, and the freedom to choose. Not all engineering or science jobs are interesting or stimulating, and you may find that you will be forced to take such a position. Being paid well goes someway to easing the pain.
Engineering and science are not well paid, and perhaps it is the notion that we all do it for love that has led to this.

[QUOTE=brewnog]Bruce. I'm in the UK, and have just (this week) been offered two seperate jobs, in engineering, on graduate training programmes, with starting salaries in excess of £22k, with very reputable companies. I have under 10 weeks of practical, real-world experience under my belt, which was only partly relevant to one of the jobs. Most of the other guys being interviewed had similar levels of experience, but almost all were attending interviews to decide which offers to accept! There is so much of a shortage of good engineering graduates that graduates choose which employers they want to work for, not the other way round. I'm currently turning down interviews...

Brewnog,
There are also lots of candidates. If there really is a shortage, why is the salary only £22k?

[preet]

How can all of you say that career prospects and wages and stuff don't matter? ...I'm in my last year of highschool and Math and Physics are pretty much the only reasons I bother going to school... I'm not excelling in either one but the interest is definately there. I'll stay up until like 2-3AM If I don't get a question or something... I feel the need to understand... But even with all of the interest I feel that all of my work has gone to hell if I'm going to spend my time looking for a job that doesn't pay that well. Don't get me wrong, I believe that you should go into the career of your interest rather than go into something where money is available... but It's discouraging to know that even if I become a really good engineer, the money and demand is not even comparable to a field like medicine. Especially in Ontario, where I live, doctors will always be in demand whereas engineers end up having tocompete with people who come from other countries... often better trained and willing to work for a lot less. To some point it's inevitable... but it's really discouraging. I can understand that those of you who love engineering and science and math and stuff a lot wouldn't think for one second about the pay or whatever... But I know a few people who are engineers and are SOL...

I also wanted to comment on the different branches of engineering. I have no idea what I want to do. I know that someone mentioned if you don't know what branch you want to take, don't go for engineering... I don't think that's right. It's really frustrating having a deep interest for engineering but not knowing what you want to specialize in. I've eliminated a couple of things (Environmental, Civil)...but that leaves most of the major branches. I like working with CAD and stuff on one hand, but I don't want a desk job... just choosing a career is really damn frustrating. I envy people when they have like a total passion for what they want to do in life. For me everything just pans out into a dull grey. Did any of you go through this phase?

[Nomy-the wanderer]

Did any of you go through this phase?

Well i did, even after choosing to specialize in Nuclear engineering(the most unspecialized department, since it mainly qualifies u for a number of specializations later...) i was not sure if that was what i really wanted. A yera later, i realized, yes that's where i fit, i've chosen this department mostly because i loved physics (thinking i equally loved maths too). Then i discovered that i need more passion for physics than maths if i needed to go on, i'm skilled mathematically but my passion for it has gone gradually, seeing other friends in electrical engineering dept(wether power or communications and electronics) with their passion for maths already gone (there r some people who really love it this way, and they r totally devoted for mathematics)but they have to deal with it all the way even the physics we both study, their physics deepest complications turns into a mathematical issue, if u r good at maths u'll get through, our physics complications are deeper, because it's more about how will u translate this problem into mathematics, it's more philosophical, more about the concept...

Gradually, i started to realize that i really fit, i eleminated mechanical engineering(though they r the closest dept) because they go through much of engineering drawing which is something i hate although i've been one of the best (i've been through a couple of courses). And the syllabus balances in a way i don't really like, again nuc eng wins...

Probably why i've chosen nuc. eng. from the 1st place, was because i liked the variety in it, it's not very specialized, afterall what do we know after our 1st and general year of engineering??? merely nothing, not enough to assess our readiness to join this dept or that.

Maybe u r right, it's all based on career prospects, hence i wasn't able to choose, i've chosen the dept that gave me more options (knowing that it's mostly called engineering physics dept).

I know a civil engineer who ended up working as a communications engineer in Alcatel. He has never been able to stand the idea he could actually work as a civil engineer, he was fond of communications, and so he was able to convert his career. This guy represented the concept of an engineer to me, he had the mind of an engineer, and ahd the flexibility to do it anyway...

For me it matters little the speciality...The spirit is what matters really!

[dunckel]

Engineering is very difficult and required a lot of time and effort (and caffeene). If you look at something and wonder how it works and how you can inprove it, you may be engineering material. Or if when you see a problem you imediately consider possible solutions for that problem, you may be engineering material. However, if you don't like math or physics, you don't want to be an engineer. The two engineering majors that offer the broadest spectrum of career options are electrical and mechanical. They are required in almost any field. I'm a mechanical engineering student at Cal Poly SLO, and I plan on entering the entertainment industry once I achieve my degree. Hope this helps. :)

[DizzyGillespie]

Ok. So im having the same kind of internal conflicts about college as everyone else in this post. Math has been a passion of mine since as long as I can remember. In 10th grade I took my first physics class and my first calculus class. They were both equally exciting

I can do a major in either of these fields and still be happy. However, I dont really know much about engineering. I want to continue furthering my knowledge of math and physics as much as i can, and I think I would be uneasy doing something else in lieu of that. As of right now my intentions are to major in physics (Im a senior in high school.) How much physics would I be sacrificing as an engineering major as opposed to a physics major.

Math and Physics are my passions, but I cant say that Engineering wouldnt be just as exciting to me. If it does become just as exciting, then the deciding factor between the two becomes the salary. I cannot get that thought out of my head.

Now, there are two things that I have looked at that seem to scream my name. NYU has a Dual Degree program with Stevens Institute of Technology. In this program I can get a physics degree from NYU in 3 years of study, and get an engineering degree from Stevens in another 2 years. For some reason though, I cant seperate this kind of program in my mind from those "Get your degree quick" vocational schools that you see on TV. I know its not since these are both reputable schools. Does anybody know anything about this program? Would it be worth doing this 5 year program rather than a double major at a 4 year school?

Also, if I were to skip the NYU thing and just go to Stevens I could major in Engineering Physics. I have little idea what this entails. Anybody have a clue?

I mean my Physics teacher tells me to Major in physics and do something important, My calculus teachers tell me to major in math and become a genius, and my counselor tells me to major in engineering and make alot of money.

I know engineering is alot of work. How does a physics or math major compare?

edit: I just saw the engineering physics post. So disregard that question.

[FredGarvin]

NYU is hardly a fly-by-night university. Neither is Stevens from what I have heard. You would be working your arse off if you went for a dual degree like that.

[z-component]

I gathered from this discussion that 3+ years of engineering is hell enough for most everyone, so how common is it for engineers to continue their education to graduate school? And is it even worth the time and money to get a masters or Ph.D in any engineering field, with respect to employment opportunities?

[FredGarvin]

I think more and more a masters is looking like the norm. I do believe it depends heavily on the sector you are working in though. It's tough to make that kind of blanket statement. Plus you have to balance that against a lot of people not going for graduate degrees and opting for licensure instead. Really, I think you have to feel your situation out and see what your career path dictates.

[Astronuc]

I gathered from this discussion that 3+ years of engineering is hell enough for most everyone, so how common is it for engineers to continue their education to graduate school? And is it even worth the time and money to get a masters or Ph.D in any engineering field, with respect to employment opportunities?
I obtained an MS in nuclear engineering and then started working on a PhD. All baccalaureates from our program were encouraged to strive for a MS and even PhD. Most got at least an MS.

In the MS program, one goes more into a more advanced level of work, and one usually does some supervised research. For PhD at my school, the research was to be new and innovative, and more or less independent, i.e. whereas in the MS research, one's research is directed by a faculty member, in a PhD program, the work is completely one's own with the idea that the research contributes something new to the field.

As Fred Garvin mentioned, what one achieves will depend upon one's goals.

[z-component]

That helps a lot; thank you.

[Achernar]

Hello,

I was just reading this topic and found it interesting. I just got accepted into an Engineering course after doing 1 year of a Geophysics course and finding it too boring and uninteresting. I never grew up wanting to be an Engineer, but like most of you here I was able to construct lego battleships by age 3 and didn't stop until I exhausted the best part of my lego supply and was too embarrassed to buy more. So after i got bored with Geophysics, I decided to look for something else and stumbled across Engineering whilst watching "Extreme Engineering" on the Discovery Channel, that show owns and so does the channel.

I like computers and technology, I also love understanding how things work and why they do. I also like Astronomy. I am not necessarily huge into designing stuff like Engines though. My favourite subjects are Maths, Physics and Computer Science, I also don't mind Geology. Do I sound like Engineer material? Also what forms of Engineering are more awesome?

Thanks.

[Achernar]

...for nothing.

[kdinser]

LOL, this is not a paid service, you are not entitled to expect/demand results. You post your question and people answer or don't as it pleases them.

On the other hand, you sound like most of the people in my engineering program. If you can handle the math and or the fact that most of the math involved is presented without rigorous proofs, you may do fine in an engineering program.

[Achernar]

At least ONE person responded to my redundant demands.
:rolleyes: Good man.

Glad to hear about the maths being more practical.

[batman394]

I decided my senior year in high school to become an engineer after I'd taken some computer programming and accounting classes and decided I really hated CS and Business. I was a good math student up until then, and senior year I started calculus and it was really easy. Out of 20 kids, I was one of the only 2 in there that understood things. I decided I wanted to be an engineer because it heavily used calculus, that and I was a big science student anyway. I graduated with 5 years of it. I settled with Mechanical Engineering because when I got to college Civil didn't interest me too much. I didn't want to build bridges, design sewer systems, or public facilities. I joined solar car team and the alternative fuel part of it was amazing. Here I am in the 3rd year of the Mechanical program and although I don't get along with people in the department the classes I still enjoy.

[russ_watters]

I like computers and technology, I also love understanding how things work and why they do. I also like Astronomy. I am not necessarily huge into designing stuff like Engines though. My favourite subjects are Maths, Physics and Computer Science, I also don't mind Geology. Do I sound like Engineer material? Also what forms of Engineering are more awesome?

Thanks. Sorry, sometimes new posts in sticky'd threads go unnoticed because they are always on top anyway.

Sounds like mechanical would be a nice fit for you - perhaps with a focus in robotics or something that requires computer programming or modeling. Thermodynamics is a major requirement of Mech-E, though not necessarily actual engine design.

[electrifice]

I am presently a high school student. I am, like a few others here, divided between Physics and Engineering. I really love Physics but I dislike what a physics education is usually geared towards... teaching, research, etc. I like the "job" of an engineer, which is more practical and involves problem-solving, which I enjoy. I want to know how much difference is there in physics education and engineering. How much physics is sacrificed in engineering?
Some institutions offer dual-degree programs in Physics and Engineering which are quite appealing to me. But I have also considered doing undergrad studies in Physics, and then later merging into engineering. Is that wise? It would allow me more time to think about what I want to do, but is the shift from a physics degree to engineering in grad school drastic? There are definitely differences and extra work would be needed, but how much extra work? Would it simply be better to start with engineering?
My questions are a bit broad in scope, but a thorough answer would be appreciated.

[FredGarvin]

If you wanted to do a grad school switch like you mentioned, you would undoubtedly have to take undergrad courses to bring you up to speed in some areas. I don't think it would be too much, but I doubt you'd go as indepth into areas like heat transfer and fluid mechanics if you went into a mechanical or aero engineering course. I think you'd be really well off if you went into an electrical engineering though. That's just an opinion there.

[kdinser]

The nice thing is, there is almost no difference the first year between engineering and physics majors. You will be taking Calc I & II, intro physics I & II, and Intro Chemistry I & II. Depending on the school, both may or may not require a an intro programming course. In other words, no need to nail yourself down just yet.

The other thing to look at is how long you want to wait before you start working, you can do a lot with just a 4 year engineering degree, while the options for a 4 year degree in physics might be more limited.

[Newton_Wannabe]

I'm finally in my senior year of high school and on my way to college. I've been waiting for a challenge since 8th grade and I'm told that engineering is the field of work that may offer it to me. I've been looking into different engineering fields. but the more I read into the one I thought I wanted, the less it appears to be what I wanted. I'm not sure which field I want now, and am hoping for a little advice. I was looking into Mechanical, but now it just seems less of what I want from the different sources I'm looking at.
If it helps you to help me, here are some of my intrests:
Science, especially physics
math, working on finishing calc I
computers and video games
I like to know how stuff works, I'm trying to learn how computers and other electronics work.
Starting to learn Python programming with the help of my physics teacher.
I'm also looking to do more of a design aspect of engineering.

[russ_watters]

Electrical engineering, computer engineering, mechanical engineering, and computer science all seem like a good fit.

[Newton_Wannabe]

Thanks. I'm starting to find that I only have to worry about the last two years for a 4-yr degree. Can you tell me some jobs within each field?

[kdinser]

check out this link, it should answer a lot of your questions.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

[Astronuc]

I gathered from this discussion that 3+ years of engineering is hell enough for most everyone, so how common is it for engineers to continue their education to graduate school? And is it even worth the time and money to get a masters or Ph.D in any engineering field, with respect to employment opportunities? I went through a MS and started a PhD. I did a fair amount of interesting and practical research, and the first job I had was related to the fact that I was only one of few students who had used a particular code. The research and advanced courses I had in graduate school were necessary, since undergraduate didn't get into the nitty-gritty details. Grad school was well worth it for me.

My company prefers graduate students, but we would consider hiring 'high performing' undergrads with the expectation that they would go to graduate school.

Yes, engineering can be hard - but I personally enjoy hard work - both physical and mental.

There are many interesting technological challenges coming at us, and we need sharp, bright minds who don't mind rigorous work. :cool:

[batman394]

No matter what you like. You have to be willing to put in the work. Just because you enjoy learning how things work, doesn't mean you'll succeed. My last fluid mechanics assignment took 9 hours. It was an 8 problem assignment. No one in my class got #8 done. And my 9 hours was spread across 5 days. You have to understand that it's a big committment. Engineering is exactly what it sounds like. You engineer things. For most of us we're going to go out in the world and take research that other people have done and make it into something useful.

[gschjetne]

I have International Baccalaureate exams in six weeks, and I have already applied for the faculty of Engineering at UVic and UAlberta in Canada.

Back when I was just a little kid with large ambitions I was a great admirer of a friend of my dad's - a professor of cybernetics at NTNU in Norway. When someone asked me what I wanted to become when I grew up I always said 'inventor' :smile: - mind you, I always thought Gyro Gearloose was a god damned idiot, making the real guys look bad :rofl:

In junior high I did have a period of confusion - not whether I was straigt or not - but something worse; I wanted to start making documentary films! (No jobs, no pay, just a lot of kids hooked on the latest trend)

Luckily I got back on track by two great senior high science teachers, the only people who have actually understood me in all these years :approve:

I guess the modern inventor is in fact the engineer, so I pretty much had it all figured out from the start. Lately I've been fiddling with electronics, and if I don't make it to Engineering Physics at UAlberta, I'll go for EE at UVic (warm climate + Peter Rabbit, Flopsy, Mopsy & Cotton Tail :redface:)

Anyway, please excuse all the digressions and smilies...

My impression is that EE is mainly about telling all the stuff the girls and boys over at ME make how to move around. Signal processing, servo controlling, sensors, etc. Pretty close to cybernetics, eh?

While the only reason for choosing this is my pure interest in the field (and not enough mad skills for theoretical physics), I have some "backup justifications" for my choice:

Making a difference
Providing for a wife and kids some day
Easier to get jobs (my sister at the road dept. says they are practically begging for engineers)


Edit: Mixed up 'Gyro Gearloose' with the French name for the same character

[batman394]

hrm.. theres a lot more to it.. simply power transmission.. like the fact that the powerlines running to your house supply a lot more than 120v at X amps.. and theres a down transformer in your house that converts it into something you can use...

your field can have almost nothing to do with my ME field. think about tvs.. thats a purely electrical phenomenon.. besides the manufacturing portion of it... but you are designing the circuit boards in it, the tubes, the lcd display etc... think of an EE more in that way.

[gschjetne]

Control engineering is of course a sub-discipline of Electrical engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_engineering#Sub-disciplines). I might also be interested in electronics and signal processing. Power transmission doesn't seem too interesting to me, and I'm not sure about microelectronics either, as I'm not a big fan of chemistry.

At least it gives me peace of mind that I don't have to chose that yet.

[Astronuc]

Control engineering is of course a sub-discipline of Electrical engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_engineering#Sub-disciplines). I might also be interested in electronics and signal processing. Power transmission doesn't seem too interesting to me, and I'm not sure about microelectronics either, as I'm not a big fan of chemistry. Well, the original controllers, like the governor on a steam engine were entirely mechanical, so there is control theory in mechanical, and by extension, aerospace and power engineering. Basically, any dynamic system require a control system, or regulation, and certainly in the modern world, many control systems are electronic (and digital).

In addition to nuclear engineering and materials, I did course work in power systems and control, and two interesting courses involved digital and micro-processor based relaying systems. Basically one designs various transducers to monitor system states, e.g. flow, temperature, power, etc . . . , and these are processed into electronic signals, which are sent to a computer which compares the states with a model. The actual states are compared with the predicted states, and thus stability is maintained. The interesting part is when a fault occurs and the system must be protected from gross failure and otherwise returned to stability 'without (or perhaps with minimal)' disruption to operation.

The closer to physical or technical limits a system operates, the greater the challenges - being able to control the system effectively (and preventing catastrophic failure) and being able to model the system well enough to design a robust controller.

One of the more interesting aspects of power engineering is the generation of electrical power and the attendant control systems.

[aspotting]

Yes you should become an engineer, if you are interesting in searching problems an of corse to find solutions on big or small problems. I can say I started to study civil engineering and I´m happy with this step.

[batman394]

Yes you should become an engineer, if you are interesting in searching problems an of corse to find solutions on big or small problems. I can say I started to study civil engineering and I´m happy with this step.


Again i say... check in with some business students.. a large number of them are former engineering students... check out the computer management info systems people... they're former computer science (engineering people).... its a tough field of study.

i extremely resent anyone saying mechanicals take less math. i take more than the industrial, manufacturing, and electricals.. more than bio-engineering. we dont have aerospace here. but they couldnt take more than mechanicals either. by our requirements a civil or mechanical gets a free mathematics minor because of all of the math requirements.

if you cant spend 5-8 hours a night doing homework. dont bother entering engineering. its going to happen. if you dont want to sit through derivations and calculus. dont enter engineering.. i know this gets really negative.. but you have to work hard. if you dont want to then its no point. you're better off being a business major. (and anyone that wants to arguing about business being hard.. im game. pm me.)

[evrimfeyyaz]

Hello,
First I would like to thank to everyone who has contributed to this subject. I've found this when I was studying physics for tomorrow's lesson. Thanks for creating a brilliant source for potential engineers :) I live in Turkey and going to high school. This is my second year. In Turkey at the end of second year of high school we choose departmants(science, language, turkish-maths etc.) I would like to tell my traits and get help from you. Main subjects that I'm good at are English and maths. But I don't like biology and geography a lot. I improved my English without exerting any effort and it's better then my coevals now(I'm sixteen). Because of this my English teacher wants me to choose language department. But I want to become a game programmer. In Turkey there is no computer science department in universities. There's only computer engineering. I started programming in my 10-11 with HTML and I have improved it till my 14. I was even writing articles for a web site but I'm not doing a lot in programming now beacuse of school and laziness. I think I'm lazy and I get bored quickly if I'm not passionate about something. I'm in the top of the school in science and maths but I'm not the best. I think I'm also perfectionist. I also haven't studied any lessons till this year. But this year in high school is hard. We learn new things in maths and other lessons. I didn't study and the school doesn't go superb(but I'm in the top of the school about marks). As i said if I study hard and I'm passionate about something it is really good(I mean my lessons here :). I like making projects, examining things and solving problems. Should I be a person who doesn't sleep even in the high school(I don't mean university. I know I should forget what sleeping is there :). There are people like that but I'm better than them in creativity. I also like making researches and reading online encyclopedias. I always want to learn new things, and I try to learn just when I see something new. Should I choose engineering? I think I wrote too much. Thanks for reading, and I appreciate all the answers.

[ahmad.hasan]

question: Should I become an engineer?
yes i am sure
Question: What engineering discipline should I study?
Mechatronics

[Achernar]

If I might suggest, go broad. I actually did start my engineering degree and decided after less than a week I didn't like how theoretical it was and didn't want to be bogged down for four years doing that degree and swapped into 2nd year of a Geology degree. But there was more to it than that, it was the third time I swapped a course. I live at a residential college, most of my friends are talking about swapping or changing their courses in differing degrees of seriousness. Changing courses in uni is a common event and there is a good chance that you'll be one of the people seriously considering it if you're reading this topic for advice.

The point is, no matter how certain or uncertain you think you are about choosing your course, pick what you think you want but go as broad as you can at the start. But also try to avoid courses that don't give you unit choices unless they are very broad in nature. Pick subjects that you enjoy, but pick them so they lead into other degrees and majors too. I got lucky that I didn't have to do an additional year, but I am paying for not going broad by having to do 125% course load this year. You might not be so lucky.

Good Luck

[gubretaw]

I am nearing my second year in Telecommunication and below are my answers:

Question: Is engineering difficult?
1) A definite YES ... unless you are good in Maths and Physics, then you do not have anything to worry about.

Question: What engineering discipline should I study?
2) I rather you pick which one you think you can handle or like best.

Question: Should I become an engineer?
3) Be an engineering if you are interested in knowing how things work and most importantly you need to be good in Maths and Physics. Curiosity is one of the key in becoming an engineer.

As for me I am in the wrong course, anyway engineering never entered my mind. I made a very stupid decision in choosing engineering and now I am paying for that rash decision of mine. Though I am doing fine, but engineering so far has bored me to death. I am terrible at the practical part of it, gah give me numbers anytime, just not the practicals.

[Gablar16]

Hello everybody, great forum, even though I dont understand much of it..yet.

I'm a 28 year old first year student of Computer engineering. Because of many reasons I couldnt go to school when I was younger and had to serve in the army for 8 years. My life was quite incomplte and always felt out of place. I've always thought I could be a great scientist but until now never had the chance to prove it. Now that I started school I feel that I finally have found my place and I'm doing something that challenges me and I love. I'm not quite sure what major I should follow but Computer engineering seems to fit my interests. here are my questions.

1. I go to school at the University of Puerto rico (http://ece.uprm.edu/academics/undergraduate/icom_index.html#first)(curriculum)
Is this a competitive program?

2. I have a knack for math, particulary verbal problems. I really like my pre-calc and I have flunked the rest of my classmates(the professor grades the tests based on the highest grade) How hard would it be to change my major to other science related fields? (math, physics) and, At what point should this decition would become clearer?

3. I am naturally curious and objective. For me to learn I have to understand the How and Why things work. To other members with the same curiosity, does engineering satisfy it? ( I hope not completly)

4. In HS I was a B student ( didnt even bring my notebook to class)
Did I potentially missed out on important areas of knowledge or training?

5. I have never design anything(not even legos), but I am an excellent problem solver. How hard is to become a good designer?( in engineering terms)

Thanks for your input and I hope I can become a regular contributor to this board.

[kdinser]

1. No clue, but as engineering friends have told me many times over, 1 to 2 years after you graduate, no one will care where you went to school.

2. Math and engineering classes go hand in hand and being strong on verbal problems is very helpful. One of the common things I see in my classmates that are struggling is a failure to recognize when they are expected to know a certain formula and when they are expected to recognize that a certain problem requires an integral or diff eq. That being said, doing well in pre-calc is good, but it does not prove that you have the kind of brain that can get through higher math, but most likely you do. I'm currently about 2.5 years into my engineering program and I just finished my last required math class. Engineering students can generally be put into 3 groups when it comes to math.

Group 1 could easily be math majors if they wanted to be, they choose engineering because of money, interest, or any other of a thousand reasons. BTW, I am so NOT in group 1:tongue:.

Group 2 is where I would place myself, I'm reasonably good at math. I don't like pure math classes but I get the material well enough to pass on my first try. I know that the important material from those pure math classes will keep popping up over and over again in my other classes, so I don't sweat getting a C+ or B- in my math classes. This is the same group that I would place most engineering students. For this group, getting an A or B+ in calc I required little effort. Getting an A or B+ in calc II was possible, but would have required a LOT of extra study time that may not have been available due to other classes. Getting an A or B+ in multivariable calculus, diff EQ, and linear algebra would have required more time then most group 2 engineering students have available or might be impossible due to reaching the extent of their brains ability to understand mathematics. In othe words, if you put in enough effort, you can get through the math, your just not a math wiz like group 1.

Group 3-These are the engineering students that are taking calc II for the third or fourth time, and not just because they wanted to improve a C up to a B or A. Taking the rest of their math classes will be pure torture for them and they may have to repeat other classes multiple times. If they are persistent enough they may get through an engineering program, but it will be a huge challenge.

Sorry about the huge rant on math, but trying to discuss engineering without talking about math is pointless. Basically, if you have to take 1 or 2 math classes over again because you dropped them or failed them, you won't be the first engineering graduate that repeated a couple classes. if you have to take most of your math classes 2 or more times, you might be in trouble as far as engineering goes.

3. I'm about the same. I hate walking into a lab without understanding every line of code (if it's a programming type exercise), formula, and piece of equipment that is going to be used. Needing to understand things made some of my math classes more difficult then they should have been. Sometimes proofs of certain formulas were not given because the level of mathematics required to understand them was "beyond the scope of this book", I truly hated seeing that quote. It comes down to the difference between knowing something and understanding something. It's like the difference in KNOWING that 5*5=25, but not being able to apply it to the 7*3 and UNDERSTANDING that 5+5+5+5+5=5*5=25 and then being able to do 7*3=7+7+7=3+3+3+3+3+3+3=21 even though you never saw 7*3 before.

4. Don't worry about what you may have missed in HS, the important stuff will keep popping up over and over again.

5. Designing is problem solving.


EDIT:
One last thing, don't worry about being an older student, I was 31 when I went back to school to get an engineering degree.

[Gablar16]

Thanks very much Kdinser! Thanks for your elaborate response. I really liked your break down of engineering students, seems quite realistic and encouraging.

1. Yeah I expect most people to have never heard of it. Your friend is probably right, once we get some real world experience , we should find jobs based on our merits not on what school we went. But, I 'm still worried that I lag behind in knowledge once I graduate. Probably me just being paranoid :)

2. thanks for taking your time with your answer, it is quite helpful. I dont think I'm a math wiz, I studied very hard to get the grades I got in pre-calc, probably "overstudied" a lot but I now feel that I am up to speed.

On point 3, thats another concern I have. At pre-calc we had a few concepts that were "beyond the scope of the class" and at first it was hard to just accept it for what it was, but in the end I did very well. I hope I can do as you do and just be patient with it and rely on "memory".

Thanks again

[kdinser]

No problem, I'd encourage you to go talk to some people who are engineers, your school most likely has some contact with some of it's graduates. Most will tell you that very little of what you learn in school as an under grad will apply to the real world. Getting the engineering degree mainly demonstrates to an employer that you have the skills to learn how to be a real engineer from other engineers. It's kind of like med school, getting through med school doesn't make you a doctor, it's getting through the internship followed by the residence that teaches you what you need to know to be a doctor. Good luck, some of the classes are tough, but doing well in them is very rewarding in and of itself.

[Yura]

Question. When people say computer engineer, are they talking about software engineering or computer-systems engineering? because i went into computer systems engineering but noone i talk to seems to know about it. I know that its a mix of electrical engineering and software engineering but i heard thatt it was a new course taken in by the university im studying at (in Australia) so noone really knows about it here so it a bit harder to get a job if noone knows what it is.

[batman394]

quit complaining.. explain to me how someone who is in pre-calculus will understand a proof based in calculus3 ? its just too big of a jump.. hence the "beyond the scope of this class"
im a mechanical engineer with a minor in math.. i spent a week with math professors from all over the world for the Function Spaces conference at SIUE (look it up).. and i constantly heard them explain things to me in analogies and stories because otherwise it doesnt make sense if i dont know all of the research and theory leading up to it... one lady was telling me her research was like "Calculus 17"..

[russ_watters]

Question. When people say computer engineer, are they talking about software engineering or computer-systems engineering? because i went into computer systems engineering but noone i talk to seems to know about it. I know that its a mix of electrical engineering and software engineering but i heard thatt it was a new course taken in by the university im studying at (in Australia) so noone really knows about it here so it a bit harder to get a job if noone knows what it is. In the US, they typically differentiate between computer engineering and software engineering.

[manko]

I want to become an engineer, mostly becouse i have had this passion for building machines, like cars, i never had legos but i had erectorset or mecano wich is called now i think. Its more advanced than legos, since you ave motors and screws, etc.

I love electricity and physics, mostly things that have to do with wires and motors. So i dont know if i should choose mechanical engineering or elctrical engineering, also i dont like the idea of working on a building to much and doing more practical stuff like welding. Also does elctrical engineering have to do with electronic chips and the making of them or something more like wiring of buldings and power suplying, its i saw this show and there were these people working in a lab, making chips and it looked so boring.

My dream is to open a buggy store:rofl: .

thanks

[kdinser]

LOL, if your dream is to open a buggy store, skip engineering and just focus on learning as much as you possibly can from people who do it 8 to 12 hours a day every day of their lives. That's more of a craft then a professional degree.

Take the show monster garage, if you have never seen it, it's a blast. 90% of the people working on those rides probably dropped out of high school or barely graduated because they spent every second of their homework time working on cars.

I've been a mechanic, I built hotrod engines, transmissions, and rear ends. Nothing in any of my engineering classes will make me better at actually turning a wrench. I suspect that even if I focused on ME, it wouldn't do me any better. It might give me some better insight into why some of the mechanical tricks work, but I doubt it would help me vastly improve upon systems that have been studied and worked on for many years by people far more intelligent and creative then myself.

From what I hear, as an engineer, you will rarely have time to play with the fun stuff during your day. Maybe you will do that in your spare time at home as a hobby, but your day will be filled with meetings, designs, materials costs, ect.......

I'm not saying your not smart enough or anything to become an engineer, but it sounds like your goals might not be in sync with that degree. Maybe you should look into engineering technician.

An engineer would be happy to design something and then let their little brother build it out an erector set, then test it to see if it fell within expected performance and capacity.

An engineering tech would rather be the little brother.

I just want to add, that I am not a engineering graduate, I'm just a student, but before I went back to school, I researched engineering extensively both on the web and by interviewing many of the people that I know who hold engineering degrees ranging from undergrad to PhD's. All of this is my opinion.

[nikola-tesla]

Last year I was worried will I be able to pass my engineering courses and is engineering for girls. I completed my first year of Electrical Engineering and would like to say Thank You to all of you for your encouragement.

It was a lot of hard work but it paid off in the end. Thanks again.

*****girls can do it:-)

[kdinser]

Bahhh, way to many woman have been convinced that math and science are a mans professions. When it comes to picking team members for projects and labs, the only thing I and most others would care about was getting people that knew what they were doing. Last semester my lab group was made up of myself and 3 females. 3 of use knew what we were doing, the other just kind of road along. It turned out our lab group had 3 of the top 5 lab scores for the semester and our test grades were close to the top as well. I bet the 2 competent girls in my group scored higher then 90% of the guys in the class.

[manko]

I know the buggy idea would just be a hobby, I think ill go for mechanical engineering, it sounds like alot of what im looking for, and the erectorset models i creted were probably have of them my desing.

As for electrical engineering, i dont know if i have the wrong idea, but does that include electronics or not?

As for that girls cant be engineers, there were these to girls in my class wich were like geniouses for math and most of the other subjects, its just the wrong idea that people have in there minds about what men can do and what women can do.

Also what would an engineer technician do as their job?.

[kdinser]

Here's a pretty good description of an engineering techs job.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos112.htm

Electrical engineering covers a huge range of fields including electronics.

Here's a pretty good breakdown of engineering disciplines in general.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

[Serbian.matematika]

kdinser, thank you for the sites.

[Batmaniac]

I'm currently in my senior year of high-school and will in the next few months have to apply to university and I'm leaning towards Engineering.

I am very passionate about physics and I enjoy math (especially problem solving), with chemistry also being fairly enjoyable. I am very creative and love designing things, but I do not particularly like working with my hands or "tinkering" with things. I love working in groups on projects and do not want to work alone for the rest of my life.

Does this sound like I'd enjoy Engineering?

[Dagenais]

Stick with it, engineering degrees are not easy courses, but the rewards are worth it.

Yeah, graduating with a heavier workload in University, then sitting in a cubicle and getting bossed around by some middle-aged liberal arts/business major while having the same paycheck for the next decade sounds real rewarding.

[Kadosa]

hello everyone, it seems like this is a good place to ask some questions due to the large number of people responding so let me try!

Ok well im in my last year of high school and thinking about engineering as a career as a result of my stronger interests in Math,Physics and computer related courses!

I am pretty confused though what specifically i should go into. Currently im looking into Aerospace OR Electrical engineering. Can someone briefly tell what they would recommend about either. From researching aerospace has way less people in it than electrical but also aerospace is one of the hardest engineering programs?

If someone can briefly outline somethings they know about either do so please! Like what each of them are like, and if i rather do "this" than "that" then go into ....

etc...

Thanks !!!

[russ_watters]

Generally, Aero and EE are about on the same level of difficulty, and difficulty (unless they are too difficult) should not be an important factor in choosing. Choose what you are interested in and think you can get a good job in. And don't worry - you'll have until at least the beginning of your Sophomore year before you really need to decide. And generally that means you'll have introductory courses in both to help.

[Kadosa]

Ok thanks for replying, but i was wondering that i live in Canada and so far in my highschool we have not done A GREAT AMOUNT on circuits and everything. Instead we have had brief units on them so going into university with little knowledge, i mean, if i decide on Electrical do you think i will be able to do and understand the material with what i know. Like im willing to work hard and put in necessary hours but if i cannot understand then, its useless.

thanks!


(my brother is currently doing mechanical and said that he was going to go into electrical but it was way to hard and he was barely passing the exams so he switched to mechanical)

[russ_watters]

You will be starting from scratch and so will everone else. People tend to get overexcited by what they learn in high school. You don't learn jack in high school that will help you past your first semester in college (long before your majors courses start).

[Kadosa]

ok thanks that makes me feel better. But you said first semester college, im going straight to first year university from gr 12 highscool (im in canada). So is your opinion still the same, i mean do you think ill be alright going from gr 12 to first year electrical engineering (well ive heard first year is the same for all engineers so i guess from gr 12 to first year general engineering)


also one other question, from researching i found electrical engineering prospects for future jobs is good but what do you guys think. Electrical engineering, good career as in after university, perhaps after my 4 years (bachelor) will i be able to find a job easily or not.

[JSBeckton]

I'm a 3rd year ME student, the classes don't get easier they get harder and your competition gets tougher as weaker students drop out of engineering. Just remember that everyone is in the same boat and you just have to work harder and study more if you are not in the upper half of your classes.

I truly believe that its not how smart you are per say, its how hard you are willing to work that decides how well you will do in engineering.

[kdinser]

I'm a 3rd year ME student, the classes don't get easier they get harder and your competition gets tougher as weaker students drop out of engineering. Just remember that everyone is in the same boat and you just have to work harder and study more if you are not in the upper half of your classes.

I truly believe that its not how smart you are per say, its how hard you are willing to work that decides how well you will do in engineering.

I would kind of agree with that, but I know several people who are taking some of their math classes over 4 or 5 times. It's not that they don't work hard, or that they are stupid. They are committed and put in more hours studying then I usually do, but I have serious doubts as to the likelihood of them graduating with engineering degrees.

[Nomy-the wanderer]

I totally agree with that, it's well known that the one who gets the highest grades isn't actually the best, nor the most intelligent, but it's the one who has worked harder...

That's how it works...

[JSBeckton]

I would kind of agree with that, but I know several people who are taking some of their math classes over 4 or 5 times. It's not that they don't work hard, or that they are stupid. They are committed and put in more hours studying then I usually do, but I have serious doubts as to the likelihood of them graduating with engineering degrees.

In all honesty, if you are taking basic math (Calc I,II,III, DiffEQ,Lin Algebra) 4-5 times then I would say that you are either not working hard at all or you are not smart at all.

And I know people who I would say are not that smart that passed all of those classes the first time. I have never met anyone who tried hard at all that couldn't pass those courses (at least on the 2nd try).

Has anyone else?

[nikola-tesla]

@my university they would not allow you to repeat 4 to 5 times, no way.

[Nomy-the wanderer]

The thing is if you are unable to do things within a certain limit, what will you do when you are graduated working as an engineer, and you are the one who has to make a decision, you don't have forever...

[Kadosa]

hello guys i was wondering if you guys think i would be alright going fromgr 12 high school straight to university planning to do electrical engineering.
also
i found electrical engineering prospects for future jobs is good but what do you guys think. Electrical engineering, good career as in after university, perhaps after my 4 years (bachelor) will i be able to find a job easily or not.

[Astronuc]

hello guys i was wondering if you guys think i would be alright going fromgr 12 high school straight to university planning to do electrical engineering. Many, if not most high school students who attend college, choose this path.

i found electrical engineering prospects for future jobs is good but what do you guys think. Electrical engineering, good career as in after university, perhaps after my 4 years (bachelor) will i be able to find a job easily or not. Demand for engineers, especially those who are top students (particularly those with advanced degrees), will remain high. EE will be in demand.

One may wish to visit www.ieee.org - The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers - but known as IEEE. It has the most members of any technical professional organization in the world, with more than 360,000 members in around 175 countries.

http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE

[kdinser]

In all honesty, if you are taking basic math (Calc I,II,III, DiffEQ,Lin Algebra) 4-5 times then I would say that you are either not working hard at all or you are not smart at all.

And I know people who I would say are not that smart that passed all of those classes the first time. I have never met anyone who tried hard at all that couldn't pass those courses (at least on the 2nd try).

Has anyone else?

One friend that is struggling already has a degree in biology, another has a degree in business management. These are not stupid people, they just have trouble with math. There are many different kinds of intelligence besides mathematical reasoning, but I do question Georges wisdom in not giving up after his third time failing or dropping calc 2 and I don't know what makes him think he will ever make it through calc 3 or diff eq.


EDIT:
Does anyone happen to know the drop rate for engineering programs? I've run into a LOT of people that started as engineering majors and then switched and not nearly as many who started as something else and moved to engineering.

[JSBeckton]

IMO calc II was harder than Calc III or DiffEQ. I believe that people that have "trouble" with math usually don't put in the time. I don't believe in the notion that "I'm just not good with math", to me that means that you are not good at:
1) learning rules
2) following rules
3) analyzing situations
4) troubleshooting
5) reasoning

These atributes are needed for most anything, if you do not posess these then I don't believe that you should be considered "smart"

And sorry, a degree in business is hardly comparable to engineering. Check that, an MBA is arguably not comprable to a degree in engineering.

Biology requires little more than memorization.

Again these are just my opioninos and when I say "you" I mean the hypothetical you, not you!

[JSBeckton]

sorry computer error

[JSBeckton]

sorry, computer error

[Astronuc]

Does anyone happen to know the drop rate for engineering programs? I've run into a LOT of people that started as engineering majors and then switched and not nearly as many who started as something else and moved to engineering. I think it depends on the discipline. In nuclear engineering we had an attrition rate of about 90+%. Our department might start with 100+ engineering students, but we were sometimes lucky to end with 10 students in the program. It was usually the reactor physics class in the third year which knock out those who were holding on. Reactor physics is heavy on 2D and 3D integral calculus and partial differential equations (e.g. transport equations), which is in addition to the fluid mechanics, heat transfer and electrical engineering courses that one has to take.

[Astronuc]

From MIT's Mechanical Engineering Department - WHAT IS ENGINEERING?

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Mechanical-Engineering/2-000How-and-Why-Machines-WorkSpring2002/06143630-8E63-41C3-AC7D-3CDB6FD0B9EA/0/lecture3MEoverview_fixed.pdf


Also of interest at MIT -

Energy Science and Engineering - http://web.mit.edu/ese/ - I know quite a few of these guys.

Mechanics: Modeling, Experimentation and Computation (MMEC) - http://www.me.mit.edu/mechanics/

The MMEC research and education efforts focus on six major thrust areas:

Computational Mechanics
Fluid Mechanics
Mechanics of Solid Materials
Nonlinear Dynamics
Acoustics
(see also Ocean Engineering and Sciences Area)
Transport Phenomena
(see also Energy Sciences and Engineering)

[Bucky Katt]

I am in my first semester studying Mechanical Engineering at university. My reasons for choosing this field are still a little bit unclear to me; basically I was always the best in my high school math and science classes and I want (mostly) to have a nice, decently-paying career and don't necessarily want to be going to school forever. However, I'm afraid I'm afraid engineering is going to be too dry for me. I love music and although I'm not career musician material I'd like to keep it an important part of my life. I don't want to quit playing after college.

The school of music here has a program where you get a BA in music and minor in EE or computer science. How easy or hard would it be to get a job that's mostly engineering with a degree like that?

After doing a bit of research I found that my university offers a physics degree emphasis in continuum physics and acoustics. Is this something I should consider doing instead if, say, I wanted to design concert halls or recording studios? I also don't want to lose scholarship money that's specific for engineering. Would that need to get paid back to the college if I switch to a related field? What engineering majors would be likely to cover that same material?

Basically I have always been fascinated by moving parts on things, gears and so on, and am very concerned about solving transportation and energy issues. I like physics and math but I don't know if I could take it doing academic work and research forever. On the other had I have a bit of a philosophical problem with possibly working for a big corporation that makes things just to make money off of people, or harms the environment.

On a mostly unrelated note, how important do you think it is for a engineers and scientists in the US to know Spanish? I'm taking second semester Spanish right now and it's not too hard but I don't know how I'm going to fit it in next semester...

Someone a while ago said how they were always finishing last in lab because they were a perfectionist. I think that might be me too. Is that a good thing or something I need to try to get over?

Sorry this is so long and I completely understand if not everything gets addressed. I just have to get it all out somehow.

[JSBeckton]

Don't worry, everyone faces those issues early on.

I would like to first tell you that in your first semester you are not studying mechanical engineeing, you are studying the basic math and sciences that you will need in your junior and senoir year for any engineering degree. In almost any school the first two years are very similar for any engineering major, its designed to expose you to differnt things while its not too late to switch w/o much, if any loss of credit.

I don't know much about music school but there are a lot of EE's so you might find it hard to find a really good EE job with just a minor (plus I don't know if you would even be eligible for the PE exam).

And you admitted that you are not career musician material

Almost everyone works for someone who makes stuff to sell to people to make money, its called capitalism, so you might have to do the best that you can there.

And the other thing sounded like accoustic engineering, don't know where you would go for that though.

Don't switch until you have given it at least a year, thats my advice.

[nekteo]

i want to ask, where is a good place (university) to study engineering?

[courtrigrad]

rose hulman

[JSBeckton]

i want to ask, where is a good place (university) to study engineering?

Probabally about 1000 places around the world. This is the top 20 in the US according to graduateshotline.com.

S.No University/College
1 Massachusetts Inst of Technology
2 Stanford University
3 University of California-Berkeley
4 California Institute Technology
5 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Michigan
8 Cornell University
9 Carnegie Mellon University
10 University of Texas at Austin
11 Purdue University
12 University of California- San Diego
13 University of California- Los Angeles
14 Texas A&M University
15 Princeton University
16 Pennsylvania State University
17 University of Wisconsin-Madison
18 University of Maryland College Park
19 Harvard University
20 University of California-Santa Barbara

[InnealtóirLeTeacht]

Hi I am in my last year of secondary school and I think I want to do engineering next year in college. I love the idea of the engineering course, it is a good degree and yet it's still broad enough, because I have not made up my mind yet. The only problem is I really have no idea which branch to study. I really love art, it's my favourite subject, and I like maths too because I'm good at it, but I don't think I could spend my career doing purely maths things (like an actuary). I know that most engineering branches have some element of design and creativity, but is there any more so than others? I have been looking at computer engineering at the moment, because I thought that I might be able to do computer game graphics or SFX in films or TV or something like that, but my friend told me that her dad did that and that it is mainly just working out formulae and doesn't really involve graphics. Anyone doing computer engineering that could tell me? Does it depend on the university you go to?

[L²Cc]

In reply to Clausius' comment on I believe page 1/2 (I should have quoted): why thanks Clausius, you made my day because I'm not very strong in physics...I love math, and I'm doing so far so good in the class. I have started the class of physics late so im struggling...I'm not a very passionate person about physics. I have seen students who simply love the notion of finding how things work. So far, I'm not THAT student. Maybe, I will develop a passion for physics later in the year! Hopefully! Thanks again for the motivation!

[Equilibrium]

If you don't like working in teams, don't become an engineer.

Once you've graduated (and if your school is any good, latest in your Senior year) you will have nothing but large group assignments.

My senior capstone class was one project assigned to the entire class (24 people) which lasted the entire semester. This is most likely what your work experience will be like.

ohhh my.. Need to improve working with people... BUt How? Hmm its because last semester my partner is only the one leeching me at chem lab... and i need to be more and more accurate in doing experiments...

hey, can you define what is "Safety, Fast and accurate" in lab works?

[whitay]

I think it depends on the discipline. In nuclear engineering we had an attrition rate of about 90+%. Our department might start with 100+ engineering students, but we were sometimes lucky to end with 10 students in the program. It was usually the reactor physics class in the third year which knock out those who were holding on. Reactor physics is heavy on 2D and 3D integral calculus and partial differential equations (e.g. transport equations), which is in addition to the fluid mechanics, heat transfer and electrical engineering courses that one has to take.

Did you ace that exam?

[Astronuc]

Did you ace that exam? I aced most exams in nuclear engineering and the other disciplines. The comments cited were actually about the curriculum.

I went onto graduate school, completed an MS and started a PhD, but left to join industry. During graduate school I had research and teaching assistantships, and taught undergraduate and graduate classes, including introduction to engineering (nuclear), reactor physics, numerical methods, power plant design and fusion engineering.


Anyway, I was just chatting with a colleague, who is a manager at NASA, and she indicated they are struggling to find really good engineers. In fact nuclear and aerospace engineers are in demand due to the shortage.

So study hard and if possible, get at least a Masters degree.

[JSBeckton]

I work an internship in the power industry and find that most of the engineers that are continuing their education are working on their MBA rather than an engineering master, is that common in other industries?

I've read that many fortune 500 CEO's have undergrad degrees in engineering and an MBA. Seems like a good combination.

[whitay]

I aced most exams in nuclear engineering and the other disciplines. The comments cited were actually about the curriculum.

I went onto graduate school, completed an MS and started a PhD, but left to join industry. During graduate school I had research and teaching assistantships, and taught undergraduate and graduate classes, including introduction to engineering (nuclear), reactor physics, numerical methods, power plant design and fusion engineering.


Anyway, I was just chatting with a colleague, who is a manager at NASA, and she indicated they are struggling to find really good engineers. In fact nuclear and aerospace engineers are in demand due to the shortage.

So study hard and if possible, get at least a Masters degree.

Well I just got my marks back from my nuclear physics assessment/assignment.

I got and A for my Knowledge section, an A for my cloud chamber experiment(which didn't work) and a B :cry: for my Complex Reasoning Exam. Which has inspired my recent thoughts of changing my application to Engineering(electrical)/BSc (physics) with alot of my electives focusing on nuclear physics. I would probably take the opinion of nuclear engineering if such a discipline was available in my state.

I've kind of grown an addiction for nuclear physics, as I've borrowed various books, from the library, relating to particle, quantum and nuclear physics. Currently reading The Particle Connection by Christine Sutton, about the discovery of the Z particle.

However my concern about the choice of engineering/bsc is the maths involved. However everyone I talk to tell's me the maths is boring and hard. Though my fall back is Business/maths. So I guess eitherway I'm going to be doing some high level maths.

[David Laz]

If anyone could give my thread http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=143762 a read and offer any advice I would be most grateful. I now realise I should have posted all that stuff here. :o

[Cyclovenom]

-Should I become an engineer?

Well, i am a senior in Civil Engineering, so it's pretty late to change direction :rofl: . Just kidding, the answer was obviously yes, and it was because i love Math, Physics, and Chemistry!, i just don't love them enough to become a scientist :approve:

-What engineering discipline should I study?

I picked Civil Engineering, because i like HUGE projects, be it a Dam, an Airport, a Highway, a Building, etc... These days i am finding my specialization direction, so far is between Structural (I like the underlying concepts in analysis and design, it's just doing tons of design gets me bored sometimes), Transport (I love the idea of working with Highways, but i'll also prefer to focus on some structural and geotechnical applied to Highways too!) and maybe some Geotechnical (Waiting for the Foundation Design course to see if i'd actually like this!, so far loved Soil Mechanics!).

-Is engineering difficult? [/QUOTE]

Sure, it can be difficult not necessarily because of abstract concepts like in the physics or mathematics, but sometimes it requires physical effort to recalculate huge tables, to check and check for errors, to draw, etc... In order words, it requires time and tons of it to do tedious work. If you got creativity, you can cut the tedious work by a huge percent!, which is a challenge i do almost every week!.

[Llama77]

Im a second year computer/electrical engineering student. I have always not been the best at math and sciences but really like them. The stuff really does fascinate me especially the computer stuff. Sometimes i do find math and science Boring and other times I love it and cant get enough of it. Im not really sure If I will make it and don't really know if I'm engineering material, but i sure as hell will try my best,

[kdinser]

ohhh my.. Need to improve working with people... BUt How? Hmm its because last semester my partner is only the one leeching me at chem lab... and i need to be more and more accurate in doing experiments...


As I get ready to enter my final year as an EE major, I can tell you that it gets better as time goes on. Your useless partner may make it through his first couple years by coasting on the work of others, but eventually it will catch up with him. By the time you get into your junior and senior year, most of the trash has been weeded out of the program and you are left with the people that are willing to put in the time to get the work done.

[Ascetic Anchorite]

Anyway, I was just chatting with a colleague, who is a manager at NASA, and she indicated they are struggling to find really good engineers. In fact nuclear and aerospace engineers are in demand due to the shortage.


No wonder they are in short supply:


Three killed in NASA van plunge [Dec 8] http://edition.cnn.com/ ‘A commuter van from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory tumbled 200 feet off a twisting mountain. The van was carrying six employees of the lab in Pasadena, two contractors and two NASA employees. The cause of the accident was not immediately known. Clouds and fog shrouded the site, at an altitude of about 1,500 feet. Snow dotted flanks of the mountain, but the road itself was clear.’ [and from another source] The Angeles Crest Highway is a two-lane road, with many sharp curves and very steep drop-offs (although there are guardrails). There is an obervatory, Mt. Wilson, up at the top. [and from another source] There have been quit a few scientist killed over the last 10 years. In fact the odds of so many of them being killed by accident within such a small time frame is extremely remote. [and from another source] French cable car crash kills 20 [Jul 1, 1999] http://www.cnn.com/ ‘The car detached itself from the cable, but the cable did not snap. Most of the victims were reported to be employees of the observatory, which is run by French, German and Spanish scientists. The cable car was used only for the observatory and no tourists were believed to be on board. The chief representative of the cable car union said the cable car was built in the 1980s and had recently passed a safety inspection.’

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/signdc15.htm


Numerous reports for many months have stated that with collaboration from American occupation forces, Israel’s espionage apparatus, Mossad, slaughtered at least 530 Iraqi scientists and academic professors.

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11311

Dead Scientists And
Microbiologists - Master List

http://www.rense.com/general62/list.htm


It is very dangerous just to know certain things.

[Serbian.matematika]

Ascetic Anchorite, very interesting stuff, it is scary .

[kurt98]

I am in 11th grade and thinking about becoming a mechanical engineer.I love to design and build things. I love using design software but i am not to good at math. I am in algebra 2 and I am struggling in it. I had a much easier time in geometry. How much math do mechanical engineer's use? Should i consider another career because i am not good at algebra? Will I get by as a mechanical engineer if I struggle at algebra?

[JSBeckton]

If you aren't good at math then you need to get much better if you want to be an engineer of any kind. Nearly every class you would ever take, if not all as a Mechanical Engineering major will involve a lot of math. Do not try to "get by", try and learn the algebra as best you can because if you aren't good at algebra you will struggle in Calculus, Matrix algebra, and differential equations. And even if you make it through that, your work has just begun.


Don't give up because you are struggling, just be aware that its not something you just have to get through and then you will be ok. You will never make it w/o great algrbra skills.

Try harder.

[L²Cc]

Hello,
Although physics is said to be more concrete than math, I find math easier. I have just had a test in physics, and I somehow failed it although I understood the material very well. I guess when I get into physics test mode, I 'freak out'. Anyhow, the question is whether I have the 'features' to make it as an engineer. I love math, but no passion whatsoever for physics!

And....
What branch of engineering requires less physics and perhaps more math?
In fact, civil engineernig sounds interesting?
Opinions?

[JSBeckton]

Definatly stay away from mechanical, probabally civil too. Electrical engineering is very involved mathamatically. But to do any of these you will have to take several physics and physics oriented engineering classes. Engineering is a combination of math and physics, love it or leave it.

Basically, if you hate physics, forget engineering, but if you must, consider computer science engineering or electrical engineering.

[L²Cc]

Thanks for the reply.
Question: are you an engineer? And if so, did you struggle with physics before majoring in any branch of engineering?
Is physics something you can understand (very well) after a lot of studying and reviewing??!

[josh_einsle]

And....
What branch of engineering requires less physics and perhaps more math?
In fact, civil engineernig sounds interesting?
Opinions?

well you could do process engineering... lots of statistics six sigma stuff... kind of cool if you like stats and trying to control how things are made..... the thing is if you do not have enough physics to understand how something works you will be a nightmare to work with......

[L²Cc]

hhmmm...ive never had to work with major statistics! and to be honest, it doesn't sound very interesting....Now, im leaning towards electrical or software??? i would love to do civil engineering, but I guess it involves a lot of physics!!! how about majoring in mathematics? Anyone, here, who knows about this field?

[kdinser]

Hi L²Cc, I'm an EE major and I've never been all that great at physics, but I'm doing fine in my EE courses. Engineers use math and physics as tools and I've found that the important stuff keeps coming up over an over again. So, even if something in physics gave you a lot of trouble while taking the class, by the time you encounter it for the 2nd or 3rd time, you should be able to deal with it.

Can you be more specific about what gives you trouble in physics?

[Jessehk]

I'm almost half-way through grade 11 (junior, to Americans), and as stressful as it is, I am trying to figure out what type of program to apply to in the beginning of grade 12.

I used to love Lego (still do, when I can get my hands on it), I have learned a few programming languages on my own time (C, C++, Python, looking at Haskell), and I have always been both highly interested and able in math and science. I've realized that I am naturally curious about how things work, somebody who loves to tinker, and that I constantly critiquing systems and products and finding ways to improve them.

Now, if I'm reading myself correctly, I might be a good engineer, though I didn't realize these were "engineering traits" until very recently (maybe the past year).

Anyways, I had two questions (for those who would be kind enough to answer):
1) Does engineering "fit" me?

2) Which engineering discipline would people recommend? I was looking at a few options:

Computer -> Combo of EE and CS. I have a fear (rational, or not) of cubicles and outsourcing.

Electrical -> Sounds neat (I love physics), but I don't want to just design circuits -- I am interested in robotics. Many aspects, such as power generation (solar power, wind power, etc), and chip design, are intriguing.

Mechanical -> I have always been interested by mechanical things (I just built a working model trebuchet from a kit -- fun stuff), but I would like to work with electronics (I could be mistaken about what ME is).

Mechatronics -> Offered at the University of Waterloo. It refers to computerized, electrical, mechanical systems. Essentially robotics and automation. If I was able to get in, I'm thinking I would enjoy this. I also like the idea that a graduate would be proficient in a variety of fields.
http://www.mechatronics.uwaterloo.ca/home.html

Any thoughts?

[Serbian.matematika]

High school courses and marks help you just to get into the program of your choice. Take all maths, physics, chemistry courses in grade 12. According to your description Mechatronics would be an appropriate program for you to tackle.

One example; friend of mine was a very poor child in highschool; he did not have a computer while he was in high school or LEGO or any other toys to play with. Although he did not have anything but he still managed to be a top student on Dean's list @ University of Waterloo in Mechatronics.

I never played with any toys or comps except when I was helping my father to prune fruit trees and work in the garden but I am a very good student in EE 2nd year.

[JSBeckton]

Thanks for the reply.
Question: are you an engineer? And if so, did you struggle with physics before majoring in any branch of engineering?
Is physics something you can understand (very well) after a lot of studying and reviewing??!

I am a senoir in Mechanical Engineering and have completed 1 year as an engineering intern for a power company.

I struggled with some things but not everything. Like someone said earlier, you will come back to that stuff time and time again, to be honest I didn't really put all of the math/physics/chemistry togather until my junior year when I started to get into real engineering classes.

But you have to decide if you don't like physics because its hard or because its boring. Its a lot of work and if you don't like it its going to be really hard to learn.

Why do you think that you would love Civil Engineering?

[JSBeckton]

I'm almost half-way through grade 11 (junior, to Americans), and as stressful as it is, I am trying to figure out what type of program to apply to in the beginning of grade 12.

I used to love Lego (still do, when I can get my hands on it), I have learned a few programming languages on my own time (C, C++, Python, looking at Haskell), and I have always been both highly interested and able in math and science. I've realized that I am naturally curious about how things work, somebody who loves to tinker, and that I constantly critiquing systems and products and finding ways to improve them.

Now, if I'm reading myself correctly, I might be a good engineer, though I didn't realize these were "engineering traits" until very recently (maybe the past year).

Anyways, I had two questions (for those who would be kind enough to answer):
1) Does engineering "fit" me?

2) Which engineering discipline would people recommend? I was looking at a few options:

Computer -> Combo of EE and CS. I have a fear (rational, or not) of cubicles and outsourcing.

Electrical -> Sounds neat (I love physics), but I don't want to just design circuits -- I am interested in robotics. Many aspects, such as power generation (solar power, wind power, etc), and chip design, are intriguing.

Mechanical -> I have always been interested by mechanical things (I just built a working model trebuchet from a kit -- fun stuff), but I would like to work with electronics (I could be mistaken about what ME is).

Mechatronics -> Offered at the University of Waterloo. It refers to computerized, electrical, mechanical systems. Essentially robotics and automation. If I was able to get in, I'm thinking I would enjoy this. I also like the idea that a graduate would be proficient in a variety of fields.
http://www.mechatronics.uwaterloo.ca/home.html

Any thoughts?


I work in the power industry and think that there are probabally as many Mechanical Engineers as Electrical Engineers. Everything leading up to the generator is Mechanical no mater what kind of plant. (Nuclear plants have nuclear engineers to operate the reactor but still have ME's)

Electrical Engineers can do many things other than design circuits, some schools have Electrical and Electronic Engineering, mine does not. If you graduated as a EE, you could work in electronics.

Most devices are electro-mechanical these days, engineers of both types work with one another on the same projects and must have somewhat of an understanding of each dicipline. You can major in ME and minor in EE, or the other way around.


But lastly, don't beat yourself up trying to make a very important decision without much info. Read a lot and pick what you like the most, don't worry, almost every engineering program is identical for the first 2 years and exposes you to different things so if you decide to switch your sophmore year, no big deal, you will probabally not lose and credit.

[||spoon||]

Hey all,

I am an australian year 12 student (not sure of the us equivelant) who is not sure about becoming an aeronautical engineer, physicist or a physicsd lecturer at a university standard.

My strong points and passions are for both Maths and Physics (obviously) but im not sure which to go for. I like the idea of an engineer because you incorporate both of these fields to make a product.. and the salary is better haha... but i am really intrigued by physics and am constantly asking random questions of my teachers... This makes me want to learn as much as i can about it because it is so interesting..

Are there any internationally well known australian universities of a high standard for educating well known engineers/ physicists?? thnaks heaps


-Spoon

[Jessehk]

I work in the power industry and think that there are probabally as many Mechanical Engineers as Electrical Engineers. Everything leading up to the generator is Mechanical no mater what kind of plant. (Nuclear plants have nuclear engineers to operate the reactor but still have ME's)

Electrical Engineers can do many things other than design circuits, some schools have Electrical and Electronic Engineering, mine does not. If you graduated as a EE, you could work in electronics.

Most devices are electro-mechanical these days, engineers of both types work with one another on the same projects and must have somewhat of an understanding of each dicipline. You can major in ME and minor in EE, or the other way around.


But lastly, don't beat yourself up trying to make a very important decision without much info. Read a lot and pick what you like the most, don't worry, almost every engineering program is identical for the first 2 years and exposes you to different things so if you decide to switch your sophmore year, no big deal, you will probabally not lose and credit.

Thanks for your advice and insight. :)

[Rocket_guy]

Well .. am a student of Mechanical Engineering, 3rd year. When choosing Mechanical Engineering I was pretty clear of wat I wanted. Not to mention Mechanical Engineers are lowest paid in my country, if you compare EE/Computers/Mechanical/Civil/aeronautical .. computers and aeronautics being the highest! when opting for mechanical engineering I was like "in love" with the big machines and loved to make my own mechanical systems. But after I took this field .. I came to know the limitations you would face wen u get into the trade. So anyone choosing any field of science should first do some research on his part about wat are his/her options after he is done with the 4 years .. wat is the level of research in his home country .. and most probably will he be able to study the subjects he really want to?
What also matter is the availability of the choice of ur subjects and resources available in the Colege you are going to study in? Most of the equipment are (pretty)^2 costly and most places dont give students use them for their own "self" financed projects .. which can then make u seem :surprised ....
and yes ...for about difficult studies regarding engineering .. I never found anything that was "difficult" .. although I needed a lot of practice .. but the studies are volumes and volumes like vast oceans ... enough to keep u busy from making anything u really dreamt to make during ur 4 years degree course!!

[Tenacious]

I am a student of A2 and hav subjects physics math and chemistry
i want to study engineering but am confused abt which 1
i hav sum diverse interests like im interested in automotive and aeronautical both(coz i lik studying kinematics and dynamics)
but at the same time i think electronic engineering wud suit my interests
i havnt made anything creative yet but once i tried to fix the brakes of my bicycle (though no luck)
im pretty gud at math as i dont practice much but still atleast score an A.
ven i started studying quantum mechanics i realised dat it was the major area of my interest but don know where is its knowlegde applied? (is it electronic engineering)
i don want to go in any field jus for money
i want to apply my interests and make life easier
and well i hav one more prob i cant stand the energy crisis the world is facing sumtimes i think of cuming up with such an idea which will fulfil the energy needs of the world widout the fear of any impairments(lik global warming)
plz id b gratefull if any1 wud help me out coz i hav to apply for admission in 2007 in an engineering university

[Rocket_guy]

i hav sum diverse interests like im interested in automotive and aeronautical both(coz i lik studying kinematics and dynamics)
but at the same time i think electronic engineering wud suit my interests
i havnt made anything creative yet but once i tried to fix the brakes of my bicycle (though no luck)
Try Mechatronics..that's my fav. but you will have to check if its available in ur universities..Its not everywhere .. and not in my country!!
ven i started studying quantum mechanics i realised dat it was the major area of my interest but don know where is its knowlegde applied? (is it electronic engineering)
That's nuclear sciences .. major application of quantum phsics .. but as every matter is composed of atoms .. it has found applications in various fields .. say .. development of semiconductor chips, nanotechnology( hopefully) and many more!!

and well i hav one more prob i cant stand the energy crisis the world is facing sumtimes i think of cuming up with such an idea which will fulfil the energy needs of the world widout the fear of any impairments(lik global warming)
plz id b gratefull if any1 wud help me out coz i hav to apply for admission in 2007 in an engineering university
Energy can never be created .. so best way is to tap out from a source .. find a source that has unlimited energy .. closest ones found are Nuclear fission, The solution is assumed to lie in Nuclear fusion .. although no one has ever succeeded in controlling 'em!

Wat hurts me most on this topic is that these nuclear power plants involve some secret sciences which the developed countries are unwilling to share with developing ones. Moreover is politically controlled .. like availability of nuclear fuels to countries who actually "bought the Power plants" .. but most of them lie shut down becoz people in power stop the continous supply of fuel. Energy crisis was a problem .. and most probably will stay till someone like you comeforward to make something happen!! Am waiting for elecricity ...
Good luck mate!!

[Nomy-the wanderer]

Yes the study of quantum mechanics of particular importance for nuclear engineering, many phenomenas can be explained this way...But on the other hand, a lot of its applications are around developping new technologies in the electronics department(like the nano one).

But in our college we are the only department that studies that branch of science, and the best use we make out of this course is a handfull of mathematical tricks...

[dontdisturbmycircles]

I thought that I should make a post in this thread because I have had some thoughts/trepidations lately. I am in grade 12 and passionately want to become an engineer. I really enjoy physics but I want to apply what I learn in physics to immediate solutions for people's problems, engineering :-).

My main worry is that I did not take the AP stream of courses ( It was not offered at my school ) I had the watered down math. I was wondering whether or not people here think that this will be a big mistake down the road? I am pretty sure that I will be just fine, I don't know... I am worried that I will get into the faculty of engineering and then will get squashed because I didn't take the AP stream of courses. http://mazeguy.net/angry/duh.gif

[chroot]

dontdisturbmycircles,

Just because you didn't take AP doesn't mean you got "watered down math."

Even if you did have weak math in high school, your university will set you up with an appropriate group of classes to strengthen your math skills to the level required for later classes. Some students need to catch up all the way from algebra, but still do just fine -- though it may add a semester or two to your "four-year" degree. What's the highest form of math you've taken to date?

If you're really concerned, send an email to your desired school's admissions office and ask them how they handle incoming students who need to catch up a bit on math. They should be able to explain everything in as much detail as you'd like.

- Warren

[dontdisturbmycircles]

In all honesty I am not bad at all in math, I just have nothing to compare myself against to know where I stand. We don't have an AP course so I can't compare myself to that. None of my friends are going into engineering/physics so that doesn't help me either. So yea, thats the problem, I just don't know where I stand and I would hate to get weeded out because I didn't know where I should stand.

I personally think I will be fine, but I would like to take the time now when there is no pressure other than my own determination (last 6 months before I hit university) to really get good at math. I have taken calculus and self studied a bit of the stuff that they weren't covering such as L'Hopital's/linear approximations/the formal definition of the limit, etc. I basically sluffed off for most of my early years and just this year have gotten my act together. I just get worried that it can't be done. I keep kicking myself in the --- for not going to a diff school and taking the AP courses.

I think that you may have given me a good idea though. Perhaps if I am not comfortable with my ability in math I could take a semester to become strong in the subject.

Edit: If there are people whom get to university not knowing algebra and 5 years later graduate with an engineering degree. I will be fine. I guess I will see when I get there though. :-)

[Rocket_guy]

There isnt anything u cant learn now!! Wen u go to engineering class and u come across anything unfamilliar .. obviously u can learn it there and then!! Anyways .. there isnt anything that's out of this world .. so no need to worry!!

[dontdisturbmycircles]

Thats probably true to a certain extent. I'll dive in and see how it goes. I should also do more research so I know what to expect.

Thanks

[AngeloG]

I'm worried about becoming an engineer.

Mostly because *I* feel it's always coming up with innovation after innovation after innovation. That there's an incredible amount of, "thinking" outside the box =p. And if you can't innovate any further... you're useless.

That's how I feel about Engineering. I don't know if it's a secure job or not.

I'm planning to go into Architecture or Civil & Enviromental Engineering.

[moe_3_moe]

for me ....my own experience... i am in the 3rd year studying electrical engineering... i studay quantum physics and solid state and modern physics but too bad we don't have labs for this topics ...we only know them as ideas and not experiments so i encourage who is in a good place or university to study this topics and engineering because i think it is a holy major ...as they say the biggest engineer in god and we r on the road to god...

[moe_3_moe]

the most annoying thing is that i don't know where i am going ... but till now it is hard but fun ... the destiny seems mysterious to me

[JSBeckton]

I'm worried about becoming an engineer.

Mostly because *I* feel it's always coming up with innovation after innovation after innovation. That there's an incredible amount of, "thinking" outside the box =p. And if you can't innovate any further... you're useless.

That's how I feel about Engineering. I don't know if it's a secure job or not.

I'm planning to go into Architecture or Civil & Enviromental Engineering.

Very little engineering is original anymore, most of it is improving upon existing things. There will always be engineers, they are not ony needed to create but also to maintain.

Architecture is more risky.

Most engineers work in teams that think together, you are not going to be asked to think of everything yourself.

[whitay]

I've received an offer for placement in Engineering. This is the course outline, http://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=2001

I was thinking electrical engineering.

However there is another university which offers engineering with Sustainable Energy Systems instead of electrical engineering which looks far more interesting. Course outline, http://info.anu.edu.au/StudyAt/_Engineering_and_IT/Undergraduate/Programs/_4700XBENG.asp

Getting into the university is not a problem and I would be happy studying either one. However I can't seem to decide.

[Mororvia]

Hello all,

I've seen biologists and engineers come into physics graduate programs and I imagine physicists can make it into graduate engineering programs. Have you or do you know anyone who has done this? My grades are 3.5-3.6 in my Masters physics program and I'm taking a graduate ME course this semester. I've also had some engineering courses while an undergrad. My thesis research is in condensed matter theory and I'm studying the magnetic properties of nanoscale thin films.

The reason I ask is because I would like to do research in spacecraft propulsion and that appears to be mainly an engineering project. Many programs are cross disciplinary so I could potentially be in physics and still do research in that area. However, maybe it would be beneficial to be in engineering?

Thanks!

[ecthelion4]

I'd like an opinion, since you all seem pretty knowledgeable on the topic.

The thing is, I'm studying computer engineering. I love working with computers, love looking at their insides and wondering how they work, but the thing is, well, I hate math and abhor physics. I'm pretty good at math though I don't like it, but not so good at physics. Up until now I have only gone through mechanics, and it is really THE most boring stuff I have ever studied. I was just wondering if this makes me less likely to succeed and would be better for me to pursue computer sciences rather than engineering, since I do have an aptitude for software.

[JSBeckton]

Well at least to my knowledge comp. eng starts out very similar to electrical engineering. Thats a lot of math that you will need to know. Mechanics will be less important but you should be familiar with it. What makes you want to study comp. eng. rather than comp. science?

[budala]

ppl have to understand if they study comp. science they do not get the title of an Engineer, while ppl who study Comp Engineering they do get that famous title The Engineer.

[Mororvia]

ppl have to understand if they study comp. science they do not get the title of an Engineer, while ppl who study Comp Engineering they do get that famous title The Engineer.

It all depends on what you do really. While you're in school this may be the case, but out of school a CS major could get a job with the title "Engineer." Just like when I'm finished in physics I could get engineering jobs.

[ecthelion4]

Well at least to my knowledge comp. eng starts out very similar to electrical engineering. Thats a lot of math that you will need to know. Mechanics will be less important but you should be familiar with it. What makes you want to study comp. eng. rather than comp. science?

I think comp. science would be too easy. Engineering looked a lot more challenging than science when I was choosing, so I figured I'd get the engineering title and work on the science degree on my spare time. I just never quite figured that physics would pose such a problem. And I'm not sure if all the other branches of physics are quite as boring as mechanics. I also have to take "Heat, Light and Sound" and "Electricity and Magnetism".

How important are mechanics on the Computer Engineering field? Because math I can cope with and the other two physics I have to take don't sound so dreadful as mechanics do. The rest of the profession sounds wonderfully entertaining. So it seems mechanics are my only real issue.

[a_lawson_2k]

I have a mild form of Asperger's Syndrome, I am not sure if this will interfere with being an engineer, but it may interfere with 'thinking outside the box', does this mean I would not make a good engineer?

[JSBeckton]

I think comp. science would be too easy. Engineering looked a lot more challenging than science when I was choosing, so I figured I'd get the engineering title and work on the science degree on my spare time. I just never quite figured that physics would pose such a problem. And I'm not sure if all the other branches of physics are quite as boring as mechanics. I also have to take "Heat, Light and Sound" and "Electricity and Magnetism".

How important are mechanics on the Computer Engineering field? Because math I can cope with and the other two physics I have to take don't sound so dreadful as mechanics do. The rest of the profession sounds wonderfully entertaining. So it seems mechanics are my only real issue.

You did not choose CS because it would be too easy but you don't like computer engineering because its too hard? EVERY engineer takes basic physics which includes mechanics. I am a mechanical engineer but I took materials, electrical, chemical, programming and other "unrelated classes" that are not necessarily in my job title but I need an understanding of those subjects to understand a lot of ME stuff.

You may not use mechanics very often but if you are part of an engineering team desigining say..... a robot, and you don't understand mechanics you will be unable to see the full scoope of the job and unable to effectivly communicate with the various engineers on the project.

There will be subjects that you don't lie in almost anything, you just have to get through it. For me, I hated programming but i finished it. You will have to do the same.

[budala]

I am in EE and from 3 compulsory physics courses I did have a tough time in one physics-mechanics course. i passed it but I was very nervous although I have around 89% in math courses. I just could not understand that kind of physics.

[Astronuc]

I have a mild form of Asperger's Syndrome, I am not sure if this will interfere with being an engineer, but it may interfere with 'thinking outside the box', does this mean I would not make a good engineer? Not necessarily, but without knowing the specifics of your AS, it's not possible to tell.

I probably have some mild form of AS or autism, but I have a reputation for thinking outside the box and good recall for things like client phone numbers and obscure facts in my field, and a knack for solutions to complex problems.

I don't particularly like crowded places, but I am comfortable speaking to audiences on technical matters or subjects of interest.

[ranger]

I probably have some mild form of AS or autism, but I have a reputation for thinking outside the box ...

Wow astrodude, I would have never guessed.

[Astronuc]

Wow astrodude, I would have never guessed. I also have ADD and am probably mildly ADHD, but over the years I learned to compensate. My mind requires challenging problems, which is probably why I did well in math and science, and my work provides significant challenges.

I've always enjoyed math and science, and in school I did well the subjects. I read encyclopedias and text book for fun. When I was in high school, I enjoyed studying topics in particle physics and astrophysics, and other subjects, however I had no peers with whom I could discuss the subject. I was pretty much a loner.

Reading literature for class was difficult, and poetry was torture.

When it came to taking tests like the SAT where I had to sit in a quiet room, I felt like screaming. Back then, reading comprehension in a quiet environment, like a library, was difficult. Part of AS/autism is the need for sensory input, which to many or most is distracting.

[K.A.S]

Hello everyone
This is my first reply... I'm still new in this forum.. but I really liked it, and thought it would be useful to join..
Well, I'm still at school (can't help! Can I?!) , but I really want to go in to engineering, but I'm still scared that the maths will be to much for me..
I hope if any of you guys can help, cause u probably have much more experience that I do..
I hope I can make up my mind..
thanx..
K.A.S

[ecthelion4]

You did not choose CS because it would be too easy but you don't like computer engineering because its too hard? EVERY engineer takes basic physics which includes mechanics. I am a mechanical engineer but I took materials, electrical, chemical, programming and other "unrelated classes" that are not necessarily in my job title but I need an understanding of those subjects to understand a lot of ME stuff.

You may not use mechanics very often but if you are part of an engineering team desigining say..... a robot, and you don't understand mechanics you will be unable to see the full scoope of the job and unable to effectivly communicate with the various engineers on the project.

There will be subjects that you don't lie in almost anything, you just have to get through it. For me, I hated programming but i finished it. You will have to do the same.

Dude chill, I never said I didn't like computer engineering because it's too hard. I hate Physics-Mechanics because it's too boring. I can deal with it, I just don't like it.

But you DO have a point, I should have at least a basic understanding of it. Regardless how boring.

[||spoon||]

Hey all (again),

i posted before in the middle of another deep convo before i suppose and didnt get an answer.. so im havin a nother shot at it lol :tongue2:

I am an australian year 12 student (not sure of the us equivelant) who is not sure about becoming an aeronautical engineer, physicist or a physics lecturer at a university standard.

My strong points and passions are for both Maths and Physics (obviously) but im not sure which to go for:

I like the idea of an engineer because you incorporate both maths and physics. I would probably want to go for aerospace engineering mainly because i would prefer to use that type of math and physics (fluid and thermodyanmics etc) not because i have a pssion for planes. (is that bad?)
and of course inevitably because the salary is better lol.

On the other hand however, i am really intrigued by physics which makes me want to learn as much as i can about it because it is so awesome(i mean to a masters or PhD). I love coming across new ideas and equations and theories in my school books. But then i am unsure what kind of job i would be able to fetch with this degree... i think i would like to teach physics at a higher level.. But then i am not too sure what an actual Physicist does as a job on a day to day level.

There is a double degree at the university of melbourne where you receive a bachelor of engineering and a bachelor of science, and i was thinking about going for that and making my mind up at the end of it. Then I realised that they dont teach any aerospace engineering in the course, or the uni for that matter.

This has been bugging me for quite a while now and i would love to hear from anyone with some advice or even a personal experience of the same type.

Thanks alot guys

-Spoon

[whitay]

Then I realised that they dont teach any aerospace engineering in the course, or the uni for that matter.


University of Queensland have Aerospace Engineering

And I think one of the Sydney universities also has it.

[JSBeckton]

Hey all (again),

i posted before in the middle of another deep convo before i suppose and didnt get an answer.. so im havin a nother shot at it lol :tongue2:

I am an australian year 12 student (not sure of the us equivelant) who is not sure about becoming an aeronautical engineer, physicist or a physics lecturer at a university standard.

My strong points and passions are for both Maths and Physics (obviously) but im not sure which to go for:

I like the idea of an engineer because you incorporate both maths and physics. I would probably want to go for aerospace engineering mainly because i would prefer to use that type of math and physics (fluid and thermodyanmics etc) not because i have a pssion for planes. (is that bad?)
and of course inevitably because the salary is better lol.

On the other hand however, i am really intrigued by physics which makes me want to learn as much as i can about it because it is so awesome(i mean to a masters or PhD). I love coming across new ideas and equations and theories in my school books. But then i am unsure what kind of job i would be able to fetch with this degree... i think i would like to teach physics at a higher level.. But then i am not too sure what an actual Physicist does as a job on a day to day level.

There is a double degree at the university of melbourne where you receive a bachelor of engineering and a bachelor of science, and i was thinking about going for that and making my mind up at the end of it. Then I realised that they dont teach any aerospace engineering in the course, or the uni for that matter.

This has been bugging me for quite a while now and i would love to hear from anyone with some advice or even a personal experience of the same type.

Thanks alot guys

-Spoon

Areospace engineering is not very common, at least as far as I know. Since you say that you like thermo and fluids, why not go for mechanical engineering? Many ME's work on the areospace field.

If you are on the fence between physics and engineering I say start out physics because you can probabally transfer more credits if you change your mind than if you start out engineering.

[AndreJ]

Hey all (again),

I am an australian year 12 student (not sure of the us equivelant) who is not sure about becoming an aeronautical engineer, physicist or a physics lecturer

...

There is a double degree at the university of melbourne where you receive a bachelor of engineering and a bachelor of science, and i was thinking about going for that and making my mind up at the end of it. Then I realised that they dont teach any aerospace engineering in the course, or the uni for that matter.

-Spoon

Australian year 12 is the equivalent of American senior high school sophomore, I believe.

And if you're planning about doing any double degrees at the University of Melbourne, you'd better research it again, since they're implementing a "Melbourne" model which is completely changing courses (for the worse).

[ElecEng]

Whats the differnce between a technician and an engineer ? any information would be thankful .

[symbolipoint]

Often the difference is level of training & education and level of responsibility (I'm generalizing into "science" and any scientific professional, but probably is well applicable). The technician handles equipment, performs tests, follows procedures. The engineer may do those things too, but makes decisions requiring more knowledge; may also design research steps, design other arrangements; choose equipment and resources including those which his company needs to obtain.

[ElecEng]

Cheers symbolipoint.
Another quary I have is, what type of effect does an engineering degree from a poor Uni (lesser recognised/not so big reputation) have on your chances in terms of employment.

[Santosh Shresth]

i want to be an engineer.In your view which is the best one computer engineering or aeronautics engineering regarding its future and income?I live in nepal so which is the best field for me?.

[theperthvan]

Hey all (again),

i posted before in the middle of another deep convo before i suppose and didnt get an answer.. so im havin a nother shot at it lol :tongue2:

I am an australian year 12 student (not sure of the us equivelant) who is not sure about becoming an aeronautical engineer, physicist or a physics lecturer at a university standard.

My strong points and passions are for both Maths and Physics (obviously) but im not sure which to go for:

I like the idea of an engineer because you incorporate both maths and physics. I would probably want to go for aerospace engineering mainly because i would prefer to use that type of math and physics (fluid and thermodyanmics etc) not because i have a pssion for planes. (is that bad?)
and of course inevitably because the salary is better lol.

On the other hand however, i am really intrigued by physics which makes me want to learn as much as i can about it because it is so awesome(i mean to a masters or PhD). I love coming across new ideas and equations and theories in my school books. But then i am unsure what kind of job i would be able to fetch with this degree... i think i would like to teach physics at a higher level.. But then i am not too sure what an actual Physicist does as a job on a day to day level.

There is a double degree at the university of melbourne where you receive a bachelor of engineering and a bachelor of science, and i was thinking about going for that and making my mind up at the end of it. Then I realised that they dont teach any aerospace engineering in the course, or the uni for that matter.

This has been bugging me for quite a while now and i would love to hear from anyone with some advice or even a personal experience of the same type.

Thanks alot guys

-Spoon

Where abouts in Australia are you?
I'm doing BE/BSc in Western Australia in physics & maths, and mech eng. But I will transfer to either RMIT or Uni Sydney to do Aerospace.
I believe the Aero program is better at RMIT.

[~electric~]

I would pick for computer engineering because it has a way broader scope than aeronautical engineering. Engineering is a field to go for if you are really interested in it.. "DON'T PICK IT BY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE INCOME ONLY".
It is a Profession with GREAT responsibility. SO.. first make sure if the things in engineering Interest you or not. :)

[Hydroxide]

Hey,

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, its been a good read. I am a Yr 11 Australian student who is really good at maths. In fact, this year I'm doing first year maths at University. I'm not sure about my physics ability since this is my first year doing it. However I doubt it is anywhere near as good as my maths. I'm not into practicals that much (not good at it either) and don't like it as much as theory.
Would I be able to improve practical skills at university if I work hard enough?
Would I be a good engineer? Because I am thinking of doing a double degree with engineering and science. Also what engineering courses have the most maths?

Thanks

[desA]

The problem with Engineering is that generally:

"Engineers are overworked, overstressed & disproportionately underpaid for their level of responsibility. In other words - Engineers don't make money".

Many times, Engineers are paid scapegoats who assume the legal responsibility for a company, at lowish pay, while the bosses make the money. When things go wrong, the engineers take the fall.

I am an Consulting Engineer of long standing & would actively advise folks to think many times before entering the profession.

[Serbian.matematika]

desA, although I am just 2nd year EE student you scared me and for the moment I questioned myself; Oh God should I continue in my studies for an Engineer.

[Buddy J.]

Hello, i am a freshman and i am still thinking about which dept. to take.

i think engineering is hard, and needs a lot of work, but at the same time, it is the most enjoyable thing that you can ever study and research in its amazing fields.

making the decision about going for my dream and become an engineer was one of the most difficult decisions i have ever made in my life, but never once looked back and wished if i have chosen differently.

you will find calculus the most annoying subject in terms of exams, but the most enjoyable one in terms of meaning and studying.

I LOVE ENGINEERING

i want to know if my BAC from any university in Egypt will be accepted by other faculties in USA and Germany?

[Maxwell]

The problem with Engineering is that generally:

"Engineers are overworked, overstressed & disproportionately underpaid for their level of responsibility. In other words - Engineers don't make money".

Many times, Engineers are paid scapegoats who assume the legal responsibility for a company, at lowish pay, while the bosses make the money. When things go wrong, the engineers take the fall.

I am an Consulting Engineer of long standing & would actively advise folks to think many times before entering the profession.

Hmm, I do not agree with this. Engineers are paid well when they start out, and continue to be paid well when they become more experienced. I agree that engineers are paid too low for the amount of work they do compared to some other professions, but you will be living very comfortably as an engineer.

As for the scapegoat thing, well, that's not true either. There are so many checks in place and testing phases precisely to ensure things do not go wrong. That's why there are different levels of engineers. That's why we have test engineers. After that, if something DOES go wrong, who should get in "trouble"? The managers, accountants, or secretaries? No, of course not. Of course it sucks to say that, but why should anyone else get in trouble if something an engineer worked on fails?

That's why it's important for companies to hire competent engineers!

[JSBeckton]

The problem with Engineering is that generally:

"Engineers are overworked, overstressed & disproportionately underpaid for their level of responsibility. In other words - Engineers don't make money".

Many times, Engineers are paid scapegoats who assume the legal responsibility for a company, at lowish pay, while the bosses make the money. When things go wrong, the engineers take the fall.

I am an Consulting Engineer of long standing & would actively advise folks to think many times before entering the profession.

Utter,utter, nonsense. Engineers are among the highest paid professionals out of college and are good candidates for upper management with aquired experience. Everyone feels like a scapegoat at one time or another.

[proton]

Hi,

I'm currently a physics major about to finish his lower-division work and transferring from a community college to either UCI or UCLA. I've been thinking recently about a double major in engineering, in mechanical or aerospace or aeronautical. I'm not sure about UCI, but UCLA will only let you double major in engineering if you declare it in your first semester after transferring. The reason why I'm thinking about the switch is that there are far more jobs in engineering and that I realized that I like engineering much more than I thought before. But I still also like physics. I figure I can probably do well in either field, as long as neither one requires too much people skills, as I tend to lack those.

Would double majoring be a good idea? Or would a double major in applied physics and applied math be better? Or, if I major in physics, but then change my mind and want to go to engineering grad school, would that be a good idea?

Also, not sure if this means anything, but I tend to have very poor lab skills. I will tend to miss something very important the professor says and sometimes even lack common sense. For example, yesterday in my chemistry class, my professor said that we were to do part B and C of an experiment before part A, but I was the only one to do A then B then C, until towards the end of class my professor asked the whole class if everyone was done with C, and I was the only one to speak up because I did the order all wrong. The previous week, in the same class, as everyone left the lab, I stayed trying to finish a lab assignment. When I was about to turn it in, my professor said that it wasn't due that day, which was why everyone had left. I was the only one who didn't hear the instructions.

I'd appreciate any advice!

[Paulo Serrano]

Robots.

I'm a very mathematical thinker and although I haven't started my physics course yet, I pretty much "see" in math. Everything I do I try to analyze like it is an equation or something.

What I really want to do is make robots. I know it sounds like a very juvenile thing to say but that's simply what I want to do. I really want to work on projects like the HAL Series (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=402) and automated systems. I also really would like to contribute to bringing the "future" like things you saw in I, Robot to a reality.

I assume it would just be "robotics engineering" but I may be wrong. So whoever knows, thanks. :)

[Aero Stud]

I would pick for computer engineering because it has a way broader scope than aeronautical engineering. Engineering is a field to go for if you are really interested in it.. "DON'T PICK IT BY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE INCOME ONLY".
It is a Profession with GREAT responsibility. SO.. first make sure if the things in engineering Interest you or not. :)
Computer engineering has a "way broader scope" than AE ?? You must really not know much about AE then. AE is a VERY broad field, probably more than any other engineering filed. AE engineers deal with most types of machines, most types of structures, most types of electrical devices, chemistry, physics, astronomy, systems engineering and yes - a LOT of computers too. Computers, as far as I know are just all about, well.. computers. :wink:

That of course is not to say that I advise either - choose what you like and better get some idea about what engineering is about in general before you commit yourself to study long and hard and work long and hard, because that's what most engineers do. Engineering is among the top standard proffesions, that is proffesions which people can acquire and get a reasonably good pay in most cases without a lot of luck, but it doesn't come easy like those rare, easier, high paying but hard to get proffesions. So if it interests you first, or if at least you want a sure bet second, then engineering may fit you.

[trickae]

So whats the reasoning for sticking through Computer or Electrical engineering here? One is heavily based on programming, hrs of coding in front of a monitor while the other involves tedious and yet endless amounts of maths, assignments that never make any sense - even after you're done.

I'm keen on peoples thoughts here ... as I'll be finishing in both degrees this year.




*excuse the arrogance*

[bob1182006]

Hi all,
I'm thinking of changing majors from Physics to Computer Engineering.
Mainly because I really have a passion for computers. I'm really fascinated by computer processor, motherboards, all the parts of a computer. I'd love to learn how they work and how they are improved every 18 months or so. I can totally see myself working for a company such as Intel or AMD in a R&D team creating the next greatest microarchitechtrue.

Computer Engineering from what I've read at my school's catalog. Seems to be a nice blend of Physics, Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, and Math. Is this true?

I've read alot about engineering being alot of hard work.
Is it mainly group-projects, reports, or homework problems?

[Electron17]

Physics and engineering are the two fields I'm looking at for a career. I haven't quite decided yet, but I think Physics is more likely for me.

[trickae]

why not do a double degree - as long as theres no financial constraints - a physics and engineering combined degree yells hire me on your resume.

Structural/civil/mechanical engineering + physics would do nicely.

[bartieshaw]

Someone said very early on in this thread that engineering used sciences and maths as tools which is what distinguished it from doing sciences and maths.

I have found this to be an important distinction. I started off doing an aerospace engineering and science (physics) double degree only to drop the engineering cause i found, i was more interested in how the "tools" work and behaved (science) rather than how to just use them (engineering) - (maybe that was an over simplification. sorry if i have offended anyone)

Though, i dont regret starting off in engineering. otherwise i wouldnt have found that out about myself...

[jesuslovesu]

I have a question about the GRE for engineers... Obviously they take the general exam, but do they also take the GRE Physics exam?

[bob1182006]

Not 100% sure about this but:

Engineers take this exam in their senior year called "Fundamentals of Engineering" (FE for short). I believe that would be comparable to the GRE Subject exam.

[Dark Knight]

Im studying engineering right now...I chose the electrical major for my love of physics...

I can't deny I actually wanted to study physics, but was too afraid from the career issue, so I had to choose something which combines between the love of my life (physics) and an interesting career..

After thinking, I really love engineering, it's very interesting by means of subjects and research topics...And sometimes, I feel like engineers are much smarter than physists :p...no really, we do use what they get for usefull purposes..

I do love engineering, although it's very tough, and requires high mathimatical skills...

So if you :
1- Have good mathimatical skills
2- Have passion for knowing more
3- Believe there is nothing you can't do
4- Believe you own this planet, and you use it for what you want to do

Then you are just close to be a very successfull engineer...just go for it dude!!

[Dark Knight]

why not do a double degree - as long as theres no financial constraints - a physics and engineering combined degree yells hire me on your resume.

Structural/civil/mechanical engineering + physics would do nicely.
Thats my dream coming true:
Electrical engineering + physics = my happy ending!

I'm actually planning to do this....I have a plan to study physics after finishing engineering...Although I still doubt whether this will be applicable or not, cuz as an engineer, you become busy like 24/7!

But I really want this to happen!

[Astronuc]

I have a question about the GRE for engineers... Obviously they take the general exam, but do they also take the GRE Physics exam? I took the GRE's in Math and Physics prior to grad school. I was doing BS in Nuclear Engineering (NE) at the time, and I was looking at MS/PhD in NE or Physics, and went with the NE program. I then did the FE during the first year of MS, since I hadn't got around to it as a undergrad. It was a piece of cake, and somewhat like an SAT/GRE test.

[dumpman]

I like to draw and automobiles, what type of engineering suits best for me?

[kdinser]

I would guess mechanical.

[Smacal1072]

I am a undergrad junior pursing a physics BS, but I'm really considering transitioning to engineering (5 years to get a physics PHD sounds like too much school :bugeye:). Is this possible? If so, which field would be good? I'm interested in computer engineering and EE, maybe semiconductors

[oroboro]

I'm currently in my last year of highschool (last month actually) and have enrolled in Electrical Engineering next year. I like math but dislike physics because there are so many different theories, so I'm a bit confused about what I want to do.

I like computer science and love programming so I orignally wanted to go into that, but I heard that there's a lot of competition and companies are starting to use people from India.

I also like engineering and have always wanted to become an electrical engineer (when I was younger I thought all engineering was electrical), and engineering (as an occupation) sounds much more interesting than programming all day.

But there's one thing I'm really worried about. Will there be demand for electrical engineers (in North America) by the time I graduate (4-5 years)? Loads of people are going into engineering, many into electrical/computer, and then I hear that companies are starting to hire Indians. I know one guy who did electrical and couldn't find a job for 4 years. My uni offers a co-op program but will that be enough?

The India thing really pisses me off. All the things I want to do are being outsourced to these people and I have to constantly worry about being able to find a job once I graduate. If I find that there isn't enough demand I'm gonna have to get some art degree :eek: and some cpsc and try to get into the video game industry.

[batman394]

I'm currently in my last year of highschool (last month actually) and have enrolled in Electrical Engineering next year. I like math but dislike physics because there are so many different theories, so I'm a bit confused about what I want to do.

I like computer science and love programming so I orignally wanted to go into that, but I heard that there's a lot of competition and companies are starting to use people from India.

I also like engineering and have always wanted to become an electrical engineer (when I was younger I thought all engineering was electrical), and engineering (as an occupation) sounds much more interesting than programming all day.

But there's one thing I'm really worried about. Will there be demand for electrical engineers (in North America) by the time I graduate (4-5 years)? Loads of people are going into engineering, many into electrical/computer, and then I hear that companies are starting to hire Indians. I know one guy who did electrical and couldn't find a job for 4 years. My uni offers a co-op program but will that be enough?

The India thing really pisses me off. All the things I want to do are being outsourced to these people and I have to constantly worry about being able to find a job once I graduate. If I find that there isn't enough demand I'm gonna have to get some art degree :eek: and some cpsc and try to get into the video game industry.



Oroboro, first i'd like to start off with "shove it". I'm indian, and I find your comments offensive. "these people" is a horrible, and very condescending way to refer to any group of people. [By the way, I was born and raised in Chicago, so again I say, "shove it"]. Outsourcing in no way will effect the entry level job you might get at an electrical engineering firm.

If you dislike physics, then you're not going to enjoy engineering. In your first two years you will take a semester of chemistry, and two semesters of physics. It's a general engineering requirement. Afterwards you will use less physics, but understand that majority of physical and thermal system responses can be represented in electrical circuits. Hence why electrical engineers must know about things beyond resistors, capacitors, and inductors. To be of any use in a real world application, they must be able to apply their electrical knowledge using physics.

In 4 to 5 years the market for electrical engineers will be the same as it is today. I'd argue with anyone here that the demand hasn't increased or decreased for engineers in the US. Infact it may have become a little easier for US engineers to get jobs in the US. The current state of international affairs has significantly cut international students emigrating in the US to study for masters degrees, and future employment.

Computer science has many branches. It is a lot more than sitting in front of a computer and programming all day. Take a look into human interface design. That concentration is maybe 10% programming, and 90% people time, and conducting field research.

As far as learning different theories, and not liking it. "Tough luck." In engineering when someone comes up with a new idea, it gets named after them. Watts, Joules, Devenit-Hartenberg, Ohm, Brownian motion, Planck, Navier-Stokes, Carnot, so on, and on. And when you're in class, your professors, and even research you read or conduct, will not say "refer to equation 3.6", it will be "refer to Planck's equation", or substitute any other name. Physics is just a mathematical description of the universe. Engineering is taking those mathematical descriptions, and actually doing something useful.

Never cut yourself, or anyone else short, for things are out of your, or their control. Locality, and birth are out of immediate control.

I'm a Mechanical Engineer, and I'm currently working on a M.S. I work in the Ethanol industry. It's a very small and specialized field, but I was persistant and I found work doing what I want to do. If you graduate, and you want to work, you'll find a job.

[oroboro]

Oroboro, first i'd like to start off with "shove it". I'm indian, and I find your comments offensive. "these people" is a horrible, and very condescending way to refer to any group of people. [By the way, I was born and raised in Chicago, so again I say, "shove it"]. Outsourcing in no way will effect the entry level job you might get at an electrical engineering firm.
I'm extremely sorry about referring to them that way and did not mean to be offensive in any way. I am in fact of Indian origin myself. Very ashamed. When I said "these people" I wasn't trying to use it to be derogatory, but to refer to them as "foreign". I'm very sorry that you found it offensive.

Thanks for the reply, now I can go into EE without worrying too much. About the theory thing though, I just don't like how all these theories keep getting replaced, almost like Physics is something really unstable, and I don't like unstable things. I'm sure though, that as long as I don't go for a Physics degree, that I'll be fine.

I think I'll go for a major in Electrical Engineering and a minor in Computer Science.

Thanks again

[batman394]

Engineering is a lot of theories. If you don't like theories, get a business degree.

[Smacal1072]

I'm in my last year of undergrad, getting a BS in physics. I want to take one more math course that applies to engineering. What should i take? Linear algerbra? Stats? numerical analysis? there are so many

[batman394]

depends what you want to do when you graduate.... we mechanical engineers are required to take engineering statistics..... we do not (i repeat do not) have to take linear algebra. we also take a numerical analysis class based in matlab.


now.. if you plan on going into any field that deals with production, or repetitive processes.. i recommend a calculus based statistics classes... robotocs/machinery -> linear algebra.

[Ariste]

Hey guys,

It's funny that I should stumble across a thread like this. I ran across these forums a few days ago while searching for some physics information, but I had no idea that they could help me solve this dilemma that I've been facing for a few months now :smile:

As a background, I, since a very early age, have been interested in the 'why' and 'how' of things. I know, I know - cliche as hell, but true. I guess the fact that I searched out a physics forums is some indication of that :smile: Today the questions of physics particularly intrigue me - the why and how of everything that exists.

As I understand it, a scientist deals only with these questions. A scientist pursues knowledge for the sake of knowledge alone. While this is intriguing to me, and I certainly enjoy knowledge for its own sake, I think that engineering - which I understand to be the application of knowledge - is closer to my cup of tea.

Ultimately, I'm wondering a few things.

1) Is my view of engineering correct? As opposed to pure science, which is the discovery of knowledge for its own sake, engineering is the application of knowledge to some practical purpose. Is that view correct?

2) If so, does an understanding of engineering give a truly fundamental understanding of the science behind it? For example, does a typical electrical engineer (forgive me if this choice of example is poor; I'm not 100% positive what each type of engineer does yet) understand the intricacies of, say, particle physics? My gut tells me this isn't the case, since that seems to be more the realm of the pure physicist.

3) I know I'll probably get crucified for this one, but what are the financial prospects for engineers? I've read that engineers make some of the best salaries straight out of college. How does this translate into later financial opportunities? Is a path from engineering into, say, management of an engineering firm a common path? Something like this would interest me if such opportunities are available.

I know this is sort of a long post, and I hope that I haven't simply reiterated what's already been said. I began to skim through the posts in this thread, but many were years old and, to be honest, my eyes began to bug out after page 13 or so =P

Thanks for any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[Llama77]

Hey guys,

It's funny that I should stumble across a thread like this. I ran across these forums a few days ago while searching for some physics information, but I had no idea that they could help me solve this dilemma that I've been facing for a few months now :smile:

As a background, I, since a very early age, have been interested in the 'why' and 'how' of things. I know, I know - cliche as hell, but true. I guess the fact that I searched out a physics forums is some indication of that :smile: Today the questions of physics particularly intrigue me - the why and how of everything that exists.

As I understand it, a scientist deals only with these questions. A scientist pursues knowledge for the sake of knowledge alone. While this is intriguing to me, and I certainly enjoy knowledge for its own sake, I think that engineering - which I understand to be the application of knowledge - is closer to my cup of tea.

Ultimately, I'm wondering a few things.

1) Is my view of engineering correct? As opposed to pure science, which is the discovery of knowledge for its own sake, engineering is the application of knowledge to some practical purpose. Is that view correct?

2) If so, does an understanding of engineering give a truly fundamental understanding of the science behind it? For example, does a typical electrical engineer (forgive me if this choice of example is poor; I'm not 100% positive what each type of engineer does yet) understand the intricacies of, say, particle physics? My gut tells me this isn't the case, since that seems to be more the realm of the pure physicist.

3) I know I'll probably get crucified for this one, but what are the financial prospects for engineers? I've read that engineers make some of the best salaries straight out of college. How does this translate into later financial opportunities? Is a path from engineering into, say, management of an engineering firm a common path? Something like this would interest me if such opportunities are available.

I know this is sort of a long post, and I hope that I haven't simply reiterated what's already been said. I began to skim through the posts in this thread, but many were years old and, to be honest, my eyes began to bug out after page 13 or so =P

Thanks for any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it.



while engineers do make more than almost all other undergrads right out of school they really dont make that much more. Some business students will make just a few thousand dollars less. http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/08/pf/college/lucrative_degrees_winter07/index.htm

You will notice MIS which is a major usually for CS and computer engineering drop-outs, they make darn close to the same salary as the CS and CSe students. The sad fact is that the MIS student doesnt know much about computers at all, and they usually get the job over the cs student, In fact the average MIS student after the entry level will make around $115K according to BLS.gov while the engineers will make just around 60-70k at best.

though again many MIS students are Hired by huge companies over CS students and are even paid more, why I have no idea, there major is a complete joke.

[Maxwell]

1) Is my view of engineering correct? As opposed to pure science, which is the discovery of knowledge for its own sake, engineering is the application of knowledge to some practical purpose. Is that view correct?

2) If so, does an understanding of engineering give a truly fundamental understanding of the science behind it? For example, does a typical electrical engineer (forgive me if this choice of example is poor; I'm not 100% positive what each type of engineer does yet) understand the intricacies of, say, particle physics? My gut tells me this isn't the case, since that seems to be more the realm of the pure physicist.

3) I know I'll probably get crucified for this one, but what are the financial prospects for engineers? I've read that engineers make some of the best salaries straight out of college. How does this translate into later financial opportunities? Is a path from engineering into, say, management of an engineering firm a common path? Something like this would interest me if such opportunities are available.

1) Basically. However, many engineers also perform pure research. Engineering is an incredibly deep field, and different positions can range from a hardware designer to basically an applied mathematician in control system theory. Engineers take existing theory and apply to to create new technologies or even new theories. There are plenty, plenty, plenty of theories that have been created by engineers.

2) An engineer would not understand the intricacies of particle physics unless he has gone into a field that utilizes that knowledge - say research on new materials to make chips out of. He would know enough to be dangerous - enough to understand new research by physicists and he would have the ability to analyze if it will work, if it will be beneficial, and how to actually use the new ideas.

He wouldn't do research in particle physics, he would do research in applying the particle physics.

However, there are different levels of abstraction. For example, someone who is designing hardware, even on the transistor level, would not need to know much particle physics.

3) The path from engineering into management is a very common path.

The financial/employment opportunities for engineers out of college are very, very good. I haven't known anyone to have had trouble.

[jlnWind]

im pretty sure this sounds immature, but if i wanted to make a flying car
what type of engineering should i go into?

and (for those who are already engineers in such a field or know of them)
what is the real possibility of me making one and being able to mass produce it within 30 years?

sorry again if its far fetched, its just yeh a dream lol

[Maxwell]

im pretty sure this sounds immature, but if i wanted to make a flying car
what type of engineering should i go into?

and (for those who are already engineers in such a field or know of them)
what is the real possibility of me making one and being able to mass produce it within 30 years?

sorry again if its far fetched, its just yeh a dream lol

There would be a lot of different types of engineers involved in making a flying car. Electrical, Mechanical, Industrial, and Aerospace engineers would all be involved. As it is, nowadays, there is a big mix of engineering types who work on cars. Especially electrical and mechanical engineers.

As for the possibility of you making the car - very low. Have you even started university yet? You'll first need to get your degree, then either join a company that is working on flying cars, start your own company, or do your own research. I don't even think flying cars are being thought about in real theoretical terms yet.

I actually don't see flying cars becoming a reality, ever, to be honest. But you never know.

[rahul_indian]

I Want to Know what Exactly Is The Syllabus for Software Engineering..
Will i be having to study Chemistry and all????

:bugeye:

[ranger]

I Want to Know what Exactly Is The Syllabus for Software Engineering..
Will i be having to study Chemistry and all????

:bugeye:

Just look up the curriculum at a university that offers software engineering. They usually have the course descriptions and break them down on a semester by semester basis.

Yes, most universities require that engineering majors take Chemistry.

[jlnWind]

There would be a lot of different types of engineers involved in making a flying car. Electrical, Mechanical, Industrial, and Aerospace engineers would all be involved. As it is, nowadays, there is a big mix of engineering types who work on cars. Especially electrical and mechanical engineers.

As for the possibility of you making the car - very low. Have you even started university yet? You'll first need to get your degree, then either join a company that is working on flying cars, start your own company, or do your own research. I don't even think flying cars are being thought about in real theoretical terms yet.

I actually don't see flying cars becoming a reality, ever, to be honest. But you never know.

nah im still in year 12, but naivety aside, is it really unbelievable? or is it just impractical

[NeoDevin]

After finishing a bachelors degree in physics, is it possible to be certified to work as an engineer? What (if any) additional courses would be required?

[russ_watters]

It may be different state-to-state, but my state (PA) requires an engineering degree.

[NeoDevin]

Does anyone know for canada?

[budala]

no it is not possible to be certified as an Engineer! How do you even remember to think something like that.

[TheRyan]

I've thought about becoming an engineer since I was in the 6th grade. I'm now going to be a senior, and still in that frame of mind. Looking at other possible college majors to me just doesn't seem to fit: but I'm wondering if my aspirations to become an engineer are similar to those of other people who have become one.

I'm starting to fill out the Common Application for colleges, my top 3 choices being Rochester Institute of Technology, Clarkson University, and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. My top choices for a major are mechanical engineering or electrical engineering.

I do well in science and math, which I enjoy, as well as my school's offering of technology/engineering related courses, which are my favorite. I like to figure out how things work as well as learn how they work.

I've dabbled in a few electronics projects, as well as designed and built some purely mechanical devices which have been in competition and won, such as a ping-pong ball launcher and a defense arm for a balloon-popping battlebot. Legos have always been and will continue to be my favorite toy.

Some people spend time doing crosswords and other puzzles: I look at things and disassemble them in my head, thinking about how they must work and how they could be improved. After visiting all 3 of the above mentioned colleges, I'm still leaning towards mechanical engineering. I know it's possible to change a major later in college, but I'd like to get it right from the start.

I know this is a long post, but I wanted to get everything I could think of out in the open. Has anyone else had these thoughts, or am I just completely different? Thanks for any help you can give, it's well appreciated!

[ranger]

I've thought about becoming an engineer since I was in the 6th grade. I'm now going to be a senior, and still in that frame of mind. Looking at other possible college majors to me just doesn't seem to fit: but I'm wondering if my aspirations to become an engineer are similar to those of other people who have become one.

I'm starting to fill out the Common Application for colleges, my top 3 choices being Rochester Institute of Technology, Clarkson University, and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. My top choices for a major are mechanical engineering or electrical engineering.

I do well in science and math, which I enjoy, as well as my school's offering of technology/engineering related courses, which are my favorite. I like to figure out how things work as well as learn how they work.

I've dabbled in a few electronics projects, as well as designed and built some purely mechanical devices which have been in competition and won, such as a ping-pong ball launcher and a defense arm for a balloon-popping battlebot. Legos have always been and will continue to be my favorite toy.

Some people spend time doing crosswords and other puzzles: I look at things and disassemble them in my head, thinking about how they must work and how they could be improved. After visiting all 3 of the above mentioned colleges, I'm still leaning towards mechanical engineering. I know it's possible to change a major later in college, but I'd like to get it right from the start.

I know this is a long post, but I wanted to get everything I could think of out in the open. Has anyone else had these thoughts, or am I just completely different? Thanks for any help you can give, it's well appreciated!

If you're not sure which one you like, just hold it out and make the decision later. It may give you some comfort to know that in most engineering schools, all engineering students take the same courses in their first year - chemistry, physics, math, engineering drawing, some circuit theory, etc. Use this time to do some additional investigation; talk to professors and upper division students in both these majors, take some time to investigate the curriculum for these majors to see which one you can see yourself doing.

[JimmyJockstrap]

Should you be a perfectionist? I sort of like designing things nothing detailed, but not really perfect things. I dont worry about the details. Should engineers like to know all the details,etc.

[starchild75]

Hello, all

Does one need to be "hands on" to become a mechanical engineer? Do you have to work well with your hands? Or is it mostly theoretical?

[JimmyJockstrap]

nah im still in year 12, but naivety aside, is it really unbelievable? or is it just impractical

wouldnt a plane be the same as flying car? just it would need really wide roads to drive on.

[Capt_Jet23]

1) Is my view of engineering correct? As opposed to pure science, which is the discovery of knowledge for its own sake, engineering is the application of knowledge to some practical purpose. Is that view correct?

well what you must undertand is that engineering is a science. what youre reffering to as "pure science" is more philosophy. knowledge cannot be "dicovered for its own sake" because for someone to learn something, they must first have a reason to learn and that is its purpose. all science has an applicational value. its only how you look at it that changes it.

[marty_leash]

This seemed like an appropriate place to post this question so here goes....

I'm currently studying a diploma in Design in Mechanical Engineering and after the end of the course, which is in November, I'm yet to decide what I'm going to do with myself.

There are a few companies I could possibly do some form of design work for with this qualification in my area but I not really interested in the type of engineering they do.

I have an interest in Marine Engineering but not much knowledge about it in general, I just like the idea.

What types of jobs do you could be available to me in the future, either directly or indirectly related to mechanical engineering??

Cheers Martin

[DefaultName]

RIGHT! FINALLY someone is right on.

[marty_leash]

RIGHT! FINALLY someone is right on.

What do you mean some one is right on? I don't see how your post contributed to anything this thread!

[xikova]

I currently deciding to do mechanical engineering, but I am a bit doubtfull, my whole family consists of doctors, si I dont really have any one showing me things to do with mechanics, no real life example, so i not one of those persons who do things in cars or have any skill in motors.I am a very practical person and I have no problems in maths, physics I like but I have some problems in some aspects. I was thinking of engineering as it consists of the subjects i most like, like mechanics and thermodynamics, and I want a thing that would not be Monotonous, would this type of engineering be right to me?

[uiulic]

Many of my friends (civil engineers) tell me that they are working like machines do, do you engineers agree?

Engineering may be a better choice (for jobs) compared with physics and mathematics.
Engineering is a very important subject, and the discipline may be as great as the invention of other subjects.Some engineering problems are difficult and complex, which can be compared with or much more than mathematical conjecture. A downcomer plan for a city or a big city's transportation problem, a bridge over the sea, cannot be done by only a person. But an engineer's job is usually just simple work.

Engineering employs theory taught in textbooks many times, but an engineer seldom trust them. He has his experience in solving/dealing with his probems.

A mathematician is very possibily a bad engineer if he chooses to be. He can't accept what an engineer does. Although an engineer has a standard or code to work with, the standards are never really met by an engineering project(some precision apparatus related project of course does not belong here).

For me, mathematics is more difficult, at least killing more of my brain cells. I would like to be an engineer if possible. But before being an engineer I would like to learn sufficient mathematics/physics/ relevant theory, because an engineer has little time to learn them nor has he that kind of patience usually.

[Ian_Brooks]

Many of my friends (civil engineers) tell me that they are working like machines do, do you engineers agree?
ANS: Hardly - Machines definitely have it easier :p

Engineering may be a better choice (for jobs) compared with physics and mathematics.
Engineering is a very important subject, and the discipline may be as great as the invention of other subjects.Some engineering problems are difficult and complex, which can be compared with or much more than mathematical conjecture. A downcomer plan for a city or a big city's transportation problem, a bridge over the sea, cannot be done by only a person. But an engineer's job is usually just simple work.

It really depends on what field you want to go into and I can assure its never easy to get there and work may not always be as interesting as an episode of entourage :p but its very rewarding

Engineering employs theory taught in textbooks many times, but an engineer seldom trust them. He has his experience in solving/dealing with his probems.

A mathematician is very possibily a bad engineer if he chooses to be. He can't accept what an engineer does. Although an engineer has a standard or code to work with, the standards are never really met by an engineering project(some precision apparatus related project of course does not belong here).

For me, mathematics is more difficult, at least killing more of my brain cells. I would like to be an engineer if possible. But before being an engineer I would like to learn sufficient mathematics/physics/ relevant theory, because an engineer has little time to learn them nor has he that kind of patience usually.

You will have time for your mathematics but remember that Highschool mathmatics is just a core requisite for what you learn in university. You will take branches from what you have learned and expand on it.

Personally I had to study

Calculus I,II,III,
Differential Equations,
Linear Algebra,
Probability and Statistics,
Complex analysis
Discrete Mathematics


Don't worry too much about the mathmatics, a large amount of it would be practicing problems for most of the subjects above - which should be enough to help you pass the course. However some courses require a bit of 'ingenuity' to get around the problems such as complex analysis, Linear Algebra and Discrete mathematics.

I personally hated Complex analysis and if I did Complex Analysis II i'd be bald right with the amount of hair I'd have pulled out.

I admit that not every single engineering student will not 'enjoy' every aspect of their degree or everything thats dished out to them - and you have every right to hate one aspect. But its needed and once you get done with it you should be open to whatever's next.

Don't worry too much about the math requirement, find a group of friends to study with so that you have some one/people to discuss things with. Group study is incredibly beneficial and I highly suggest it.

Other than that you should be fine in engineering - best of luck

[pooface]

Hello,

I have some critical questions regarding Electronics Engineering Technologist for Communications. I am doing it from a College in Canada.

I joined this program without even knowing what a resistor was and have maintained a 4.0 GPA for one year.

I am very absorbed into this field now. I love it, but often get frightened about the amount of information we are always bombarded with. I lack confidence in myself that I will be able to solve problems or do analysis without a formula sheet or that I will retain such massive information to apply in the work force

What does this field have to offer me in regards to 'types of jobs'? Out of curiosity I was looking for jobs on various sites and found no entry level openings. All require couple years of experience or are in 'product assembly' or 'component testing'. I didn't pay so much money, and study so much just to do component testing or assembly.

If anyone who knows or is currently in the Communications field, please tell me your experiences with the field. How do you work your way up to a good position?

This is the brief outline of my course. Tell me what you think about it.

http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/ELM.html

Thank you.

[novice@physics]

i was just wondering, can anyone become an engineer? or do you have to be naturally talented in math and the sciences?

can any average joe (like me) make it that far in life? i'm willing to make sacrifices!

[umicantthinkof1]

Should I be an Electrical Engineer?

I've had about two and half semesters of Middle School generic Engineering and I always had really 'out there' ideas but didn't have the motivation to do them
I love taking apart computers, nintendos, ect
But I struggle in math except when someone takes me by the hand and leads me though then I kick butt
I'm a very artistic creative person
I have trouble working in groups but only when the people around me are,... dumb or just wanna do the plain stuff

I'm good with computers

But do any of you guys know which Engineering field I should do, I was thinking Electrical but maybe mechanical

And should I focus on computer programming or engineering in school for elective classes?

I'm a bit rambling right now...

And when I get into high school which math, science classes should I do?

What I really wanna do is work with computers and gaming systems but not really in the programming way but in the psychical motherboard, design, effectiveness type way

[fatfatfat]

Hello. I'm currently an honours physics student in the second year of a BSc who is not enjoying herself.

I LOVED my introductory physics courses throughout highschool and my first year of university. I thought it was amazing that almost everything we encounter during our day-to-day lives could be described mathematically. I loved that I could use math to explain everything from car crashes to baseball to music to the rides at the fair to the magnets holding Mom's To-Do List on the fridge. I used to go home excited about my assignments because I couldn't wait to see what they were going to ask next. It was always something totally random, and I couldn't wait to tackle it.

There lies my problem, though. I was only fascinated with intro physics. I liked learning about the stuff that I consciously encountered everyday. I loved the physics of "big stuff". My main love was the centuries-old Newtonian mechanics, but I liked waves too.

I figured that's what I loved and that's what I wanted to do, so I signed up for a physics degree. But now that the middle of September has rolled around, I've been sitting in my Introduction to Modern Physics course for a approximately three weeks, and I'm not enjoying it at all. Special relativity and time dilation? Bleck. Why would I care about that stuff? I've just totally lost interest. I'm not big on learning about particles. It bores me.

As a result of that, I've been starting to think about changing my major (or my degree!) but I'm still really nervous and undecided about basically everything.

On top of my love for intro physics, I love math and I'd like to think I have some really strong math skills. I loved my introductory calculus course, and I'm enjoying my intermediate calculus course, though we haven't gotten into much yet. I'm liking what I've seen of Linear Algebra so far, too. Algebra in general is something that I love. I love the feeling of accomplishment that accompanies success after a long page of complex algebra.

Since elementary school, though, my favorite part of any math class was the word problems. I liked to analyze the questions, then to take the math I had learned and put it towards making sense of something else. This is what makes me think that a Math Major is not the way to go. Plus I'm not very interested in the career choices a Math Major has to offer.

In fact I'm not very interested in the career choices that a Physics Major has to offer either, and THAT is what brings me to this thread. My Dad was telling me about a man he works with who started out as a physics student, hated it, and switched to engineering. So I've started to look into it a little bit, but I'm still not sure what it's really all about.

I think I would definitely like applying my math and physics to real world problems, but I'm not very creative. Do the undergraduate engineering courses help to mold your mind into one that thinks creatively or should that come naturally?

I'm really organized and I'm willing to put in a lot of hard work, but before I jump ship on my physics degree and switch faculties... I'd like to know if you guys think I sound like someone who'd be more suited to engineering or to physics.

I've tried to speak to the undergraduate advisors at my school to see what they think of my situation, but they just keep trying to persuade me into their department rather than really helping make the best decision for me.

Also, do you think I've decided I don't like modern physics too fast? Should I wait it out and then come back to considering engineering later on if I still don't like the physics degree?

I'm stressed out, haha. :)
Thanks for your time!

[TheAnalogKid83]

I have to say, you are really good off going into EE or ME. You can apply the concepts from these two fields to most other engineering fields and sciences. Nuclear and chemical might require more specialized training in specific sciences, but these are very niche fields and going through the rigor of a good EE or ME program will prepare you to be able to learn the other things very quickly. If you want to do robotics or aeronautics, EE or ME is more than adequate for undergrads. As an undergrad, being versatile is very important.

[pengbram]

Hi all,

Next year I plan on going to university for Petroleum Systems Engineering. I'm thinking this because there seems to be a lot of opportunities in the field, a pretty high demand what with all these oil companies etc, and also because there seems to be very big opportunities to travel around the globe with it.

Anyways last year in physics I didn't really give any effort and sort of gave up on it and also engineering all together. However I realized I was being a bit lazy by just giving up on something I didn't really try to progress at and that didn't come easy to me. So I decided to take Physics again and continue it with hopes of doing good. Right now I'm a little nervous especially after a test today but I think it will all come with practice. This year already I love it and how things work but I still find a lot of the actual questions on my tests to be fairly hard.

What I'd like to know is if anyone can recommend me anything to progress even more at physics? I really want to get an A in this class.

[animalcroc]

Hello. I'm currently an honours physics student in the second year of a BSc who is not enjoying herself.

I LOVED my introductory physics courses throughout highschool and my first year of university. I thought it was amazing that almost everything we encounter during our day-to-day lives could be described mathematically. I loved that I could use math to explain everything from car crashes to baseball to music to the rides at the fair to the magnets holding Mom's To-Do List on the fridge. I used to go home excited about my assignments because I couldn't wait to see what they were going to ask next. It was always something totally random, and I couldn't wait to tackle it.

There lies my problem, though. I was only fascinated with intro physics. I liked learning about the stuff that I consciously encountered everyday. I loved the physics of "big stuff". My main love was the centuries-old Newtonian mechanics, but I liked waves too.

I figured that's what I loved and that's what I wanted to do, so I signed up for a physics degree. But now that the middle of September has rolled around, I've been sitting in my Introduction to Modern Physics course for a approximately three weeks, and I'm not enjoying it at all. Special relativity and time dilation? Bleck. Why would I care about that stuff? I've just totally lost interest. I'm not big on learning about particles. It bores me.

As a result of that, I've been starting to think about changing my major (or my degree!) but I'm still really nervous and undecided about basically everything.

On top of my love for intro physics, I love math and I'd like to think I have some really strong math skills. I loved my introductory calculus course, and I'm enjoying my intermediate calculus course, though we haven't gotten into much yet. I'm liking what I've seen of Linear Algebra so far, too. Algebra in general is something that I love. I love the feeling of accomplishment that accompanies success after a long page of complex algebra.

Since elementary school, though, my favorite part of any math class was the word problems. I liked to analyze the questions, then to take the math I had learned and put it towards making sense of something else. This is what makes me think that a Math Major is not the way to go. Plus I'm not very interested in the career choices a Math Major has to offer.

In fact I'm not very interested in the career choices that a Physics Major has to offer either, and THAT is what brings me to this thread. My Dad was telling me about a man he works with who started out as a physics student, hated it, and switched to engineering. So I've started to look into it a little bit, but I'm still not sure what it's really all about.

I think I would definitely like applying my math and physics to real world problems, but I'm not very creative. Do the undergraduate engineering courses help to mold your mind into one that thinks creatively or should that come naturally?

I'm really organized and I'm willing to put in a lot of hard work, but before I jump ship on my physics degree and switch faculties... I'd like to know if you guys think I sound like someone who'd be more suited to engineering or to physics.

I've tried to speak to the undergraduate advisors at my school to see what they think of my situation, but they just keep trying to persuade me into their department rather than really helping make the best decision for me.

Also, do you think I've decided I don't like modern physics too fast? Should I wait it out and then come back to considering engineering later on if I still don't like the physics degree?

I'm stressed out, haha. :)
Thanks for your time!

Relativity and particles is a big portion of physics. I think the modern physics course you took helped give you a better understanding of physics. Asides from the first year introductory stuff, physics only becomes more abstract. Check out university curricula on various physics and engineering disciplines.
A good one is UCSD's

http://www.ucsd.edu/catalog/front/courses.html

[l46kok]

Should I be an Electrical Engineer?

I've had about two and half semesters of Middle School generic Engineering and I always had really 'out there' ideas but didn't have the motivation to do them
I love taking apart computers, nintendos, ect
But I struggle in math except when someone takes me by the hand and leads me though then I kick butt
I'm a very artistic creative person
I have trouble working in groups but only when the people around me are,... dumb or just wanna do the plain stuff

I'm good with computers

But do any of you guys know which Engineering field I should do, I was thinking Electrical but maybe mechanical

And should I focus on computer programming or engineering in school for elective classes?

I'm a bit rambling right now...

And when I get into high school which math, science classes should I do?

What I really wanna do is work with computers and gaming systems but not really in the programming way but in the psychical motherboard, design, effectiveness type way

Do you like the sexy interior design of computer? Do you like the burning-smell coming from circuit boards, say your XBOX 360? If you answered yes to either of this question, then Electrical Engineering or Computer Engineering is definitely a good option for you! You will come across that Electrical Engineering is quite math oriented and from what I can tell, this could be the right major for you.

However, to be an engineer, I am very sorry to say, that you gotta have a strong basis in math. BUT WAIT, don't be disappointed yet, you don't necessarily have to have it immedaitely. Even before that, you have to ask yourself this question "Do you enjoy math? Do you feel like screaming and kicking with joy when you just solved the hardest problem ever? (Well Ok, this is a little bit Cuukoo, but you get the point)" Not being able to solve math problems well isn't a huge handicap, you can overcome that just by working hard from now on. But if you are sure that you don't enjoy math and you won't in the future, then I can guarantee you that you won't like engineering and you'll end up switching majors.

As for math course, if you are capable of doing so, take Calculus before you graduate. If not, then you can always take it from College, it doesn't make a big difference. As for science, I recommend you taking Physics and Chemistry at the same time (This is what I did) but if this isn't an option for you, definitely take physics.

[pengbram]

Found something very interesting the other day, have a look

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

Shows much information about different types of engineers.

[RufusDawes]

I am applying for an associates degree in engineering tho I plant to take it to the full 4 years. The associates is only a fraction of the cost of the first two years of the full degree and I can transfer 2 full years credits.

I'd like to vent a little because I have a business degree but I am not cut out for financial services work and the thought of it made me miserable. I did enjoy the mathematical side of my economics classes but it is not the direction I want to take.

I always loved math once I got upto learning about calculus but I always thought I was not smart enough to be an engineer. My father told me not to study engineering. But now at my work. I encounter engineering students because I am working retail. They tell me it is all technique and that because I went to a bad school I am probably lacking in that regard.

So now for many I am feeling motivated. I am 24 years old. I just hope my admission to the program is not rejected because of my past study. I did not have very good grades and the fact that I have a degree already makes me look scatter brained. BTw there are no masters courses in engineering here you must do the undergrad.

I did struggle with math but I enjoyed it and I found it fascinating and I wanted to learn more. I was always jealous of what engineering students where learning, while I was stuck with mundane and simple economics.

My questions. I am planning on doing a civil engineering degree. Is work as an engineering associate particularily unbearable ? are engineers known to be cruel to their suboordinates ? Whats most important to me is that my job keeps my mind active and that I am in a position to continuously learn. This is a question I have to ask because if I do not get good grades in my associates degree I will not be able to transfer with a full 2 years exemption.

Since I found out what aspergers was I am pretty sure i've got it. They said I had it when I was a kid before it got popular it explains a lot of things, so if it does exist i've probably got it. How important are all these interpersonal skills I don't have or understand to an engineer ?

I mean I can talk to ppl and not piss them off enough that they hate me. As far as making them like me goes I am crap. Sorry if this is a bit of a somber message its 3 am and I just finished work.

:)

Thanks guys.

[canadianconcord]

I was considering being a engineer (civil)
and i am canadian, i am in grade 11.
and i am an under achiver, when i apply myself my grades are in the 95+ when i dont... thy are 40-50. You get the picture

I am going to pull up my socks as i was currently entrigued on a presentation in my schools chapel today about achivment. i am also interested in quantum physics, physics in general, an sciences.

Would an engineer be the best idea for me?

I like the pay, but i want a job i love.

Please respond in an email or private msg.

[Urkel]

The Should-I-Become-An-Engineer?
HELL NO
I was engineer but I am no longer one
enough is enough, 4 years of life wasting
and 4 years of being fed (up) with Laplace and Fourier transforms again and again
What any engineer knows about mathematics other than these two
or physics other than energy band gap or Smith chart?

[vsingh165]

I'm a student at Ohio State University and I'm planning to major in electrical engineering. My grades were generally good in high school and my grades as a college freshman right now are pretty much A's...I'm really interested in alternate forms of energy and electric vehicles...is EE a good major for covering these sorts of topics?

[kdinser]

vsingh165, it's likely you could work in those fields with a 4 year EE degree, but for any kind of serious design work, it's likely you would need a masters or a PhD.

[nf405]

Don't be too put off by the maths in engineering- my boyfriend and housemates do engineering but the level of maths they use is much less than I seem to use in my physics degree (although I agree that this is probably not true for electric/aerospace)). I think the difference seems to be that whereas in engineering you use maths as a tool to solve a problem, in physics it is more like maths is the language you speak about everything in because its the only way you can make sense of such abstact things e.g. quantum mechanics etc. I think if you enjoy physics and are comfortable with maths but maybe aren't interested in/ struggle with abstact ideas like QM , relativity etc then go for engineering rather than physics- but you definately don't have to be some sort of maths genius.



My second point is that I was at a science careers fair today and the people who wan't physicists are all finance/ investment companies (fine if you just want to make money) but the actual 'scientific jobs' were all looking for engineers- they want someone who can design stuff, fix stuff etc as well as just someone with maths/science skills.

[Sniperking]

Hello. I'm a senior in HS, and I'm planning on to major in computer engineering. I love computers, born and raise around them also I love engineering. I plan on going to University of Washington. My question is. Can someone please explain what EXACTLY a computer engineer does or better yet tell me what they design? I've google it, but it doesn't explain what they do. It seems like computer engineering is like a new breed of the engineering world, which I know is not.

Thanks in advance.

[Ian_Brooks]

well i'm in electrical engineering and I can verify that the maths i use in my engineering subjects is much more complicated and involved than what is taught in our mathematics courses and here we do
* discrete
* calc I,II,III
* DEQ
* linear algebra 1, advanced linear alegebra
* Complex analysis I, II
* Prob / stats

- EE is still very mathematically involved

[ranger]

Hello. I'm a senior in HS, and I'm planning on to major in computer engineering. I love computers, born and raise around them also I love engineering. I plan on going to University of Washington. My question is. Can someone please explain what EXACTLY a computer engineer does or better yet tell me what they design? I've google it, but it doesn't explain what they do. It seems like computer engineering is like a new breed of the engineering world, which I know is not.

Thanks in advance.

Hi Sniperking,

I'm currently an undergrad in computer engineering. It is not very easy to pin point exactly what he does. This is because with a degree in comp. engineering you can then branch off into a myriad of fields. Some examples are embedded systems design, digital and analog circuit design, systems engineering, programming, robotics, computer controlled systems, and there are so many others.

As an undergrad you'll be taught the same physics and (usually) the same math as someone who is studying electrical or mechanical engineering. By the physics I mean physics I&II, and EM. The math is usually on the level of calc I-III, differential equations, discrete math, and linear algebra. Those are usually the core requirements.

The best way to think of computer engineering is that it is a merge of the electrical engineering department and the computer science department. You will be taking courses in circuit analysis, digital and analog circuit design (more emphasis on digital), extra courses in computer architecture. On the CS side, you can expect to take courses on various programming languages, algorithms, compiler design, operating systems, data structures, etc. Here (http://www-cs.ccny.cuny.edu/academics/ce/courses.html) is a list of courses that our computer engineering department requires. Note how EE and CS courses each make up half the curriculum. You can even take a look at your own:
http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/course-webs.html

The point here is that you can venture off into either software oriented, hardware oriented, or both. As for me, I've decided to choose computer controlled systems - its the best of both worlds. I will however eventually specialize in digital and analog circuit design.

I'm not sure whether I've helped you here. Maybe I'm just repeating some of the things you've already found while doing research. But you should definitely drop by UW and talk to a adviser in the engineering department. If you have anymore specific questions, please ask.

[xexx]

This entire thread seems to be based on the technical aspects and difficulties as an Engineer. How about the hiring process to those that are halfway there (crying). Are communication and interpersonal skills related heavy on employment in addition the academic success?

[shramana]

Is Manufacturing Process and Automation Engineering a good branch?

This is the course description given on the site of my college.
http://www.nsit.ac.in/department/mpa.html

[FredGarvin]

This entire thread seems to be based on the technical aspects and difficulties as an Engineer. How about the hiring process to those that are halfway there (crying). Are communication and interpersonal skills related heavy on employment in addition the academic success?You bet they are. Unfortunately, you need to be able to sell yourself to a perspective employer. Part of that sales pitch is showing how well you will fit in to their existing work environment. Communication and relating to your co-workers is important.

[vsingh165]

Don't be too put off by the maths in engineering- my boyfriend and housemates do engineering but the level of maths they use is much less than I seem to use in my physics degree (although I agree that this is probably not true for electric/aerospace)). I think the difference seems to be that whereas in engineering you use maths as a tool to solve a problem, in physics it is more like maths is the language you speak about everything in because its the only way you can make sense of such abstact things e.g. quantum mechanics etc. I think if you enjoy physics and are comfortable with maths but maybe aren't interested in/ struggle with abstact ideas like QM , relativity etc then go for engineering rather than physics- but you definately don't have to be some sort of maths genius.



My second point is that I was at a science careers fair today and the people who wan't physicists are all finance/ investment companies (fine if you just want to make money) but the actual 'scientific jobs' were all looking for engineers- they want someone who can design stuff, fix stuff etc as well as just someone with maths/science skills.

Yeah I'm not too put off by the math requirements that Ohio State has for Engineering. They have Calc 1 thru Calc 4, then differential equations, linear algebra, and a stats/probability class (which totals to about 7 quarters of math).

Despite OSU being a large public school that is usually known for athletics and sometimes even crazy partying, they rank in the top 25 for engineering schools in the US. Plus the tuition is great ($8600 a year)!

[Astronuc]

IMO, any engineer these days should major in as much math and physics as possible. I started out in astrophysics and nuclear physics and migrated to nuclear engineering, which itself involved some nuclear physics. Engineering is becoming much more challenging these days, and anyone who has a sound math/physics background will find a lot of companies eager to hire one.

Also, in addition to straight engineering, one has the option of an Engineering Physics degree.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_physics

www.collegeboard.com/csearch/majors_careers/profiles/majors/14.1201.html


In no particular order:

http://www.eng.rpi.edu/mane/ug_curriculum_eng_phy.cfm

http://www.aep.cornell.edu/

http://www.virginia.edu/ep/

http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/

http://www.princeton.edu/EngineeringPhysics/

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/programs/bs_engr.php

http://www.ee.princeton.edu/eng-phys/intro.html

http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/

http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/engsci/ep.html

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/

http://engphys.mcmaster.ca/

http://www.engphys.ubc.ca/

http://www.physics.queensu.ca/

http://physics.usask.ca/

http://www.ensc.sfu.ca/undergraduates/engineering-science/engineering-physics

http://www.engin.umich.edu/students/bulletin/engphys/index.html

http://physics.engr.ku.edu/

www.phy.stevens.edu/

www.coe.ou.edu/ephysics//

www.physics.ucok.edu/

www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/neep/

www.physics.utulsa.edu/

http://bohr.ms.virginia.edu/ep/ephome.htm

http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/engphys.html
www.dartmouth.edu/~physics/academics/engphys.html

www.engin.brown.edu/undergrad/guide/enginphysics.html

www.physics.arizona.edu/physics/programs/undergrad/generalinfo.html

www.physics.umaine.edu/programs/degrees/undergrad.htm
http://www.physics.umaine.edu/programs/degrees/BS-EPS.htm

http://www.mines.edu/academic/physics/undergrad_pgm/index.html

www.fy.chalmers.se/ [Fysik och Teknisk Fysik Chalmers/GU - Hem]

www.kth.se/eng/education/programmes/master_engineering/engineering_physics_180.html

www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/EP/

www.iitd.ernet.in/deptt/phy/

I plan to elaborate further on physics/engineering when I have time.

[vsingh165]

IMO, any engineer these days should major in as much math and physics as possible. I started out in astrophysics and nuclear physics and migrated to nuclear engineering, which itself involved some nuclear physics. Engineering is becoming much more challenging these days, and anyone who has a sound math/physics background will find a lot of companies eager to hire one.

Also, in addition to straight engineering, one has the option of an Engineering Physics degree.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_physics

www.collegeboard.com/csearch/majors_careers/profiles/majors/14.1201.html


In no particular order:

http://www.eng.rpi.edu/mane/ug_curriculum_eng_phy.cfm

http://www.aep.cornell.edu/

http://www.virginia.edu/ep/

http://www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/

http://www.princeton.edu/EngineeringPhysics/

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/programs/bs_engr.php

http://www.ee.princeton.edu/eng-phys/intro.html

http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/

http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/engsci/ep.html

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/

http://engphys.mcmaster.ca/

http://www.engphys.ubc.ca/

http://www.physics.queensu.ca/

http://physics.usask.ca/

http://www.ensc.sfu.ca/undergraduates/engineering-science/engineering-physics

http://www.engin.umich.edu/students/bulletin/engphys/index.html

http://physics.engr.ku.edu/

www.phy.stevens.edu/

www.coe.ou.edu/ephysics//

www.physics.ucok.edu/

www.engr.wisc.edu/ep/neep/

www.physics.utulsa.edu/

http://bohr.ms.virginia.edu/ep/ephome.htm

http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/engphys.html
www.dartmouth.edu/~physics/academics/engphys.html

www.engin.brown.edu/undergrad/guide/enginphysics.html

www.physics.arizona.edu/physics/programs/undergrad/generalinfo.html

www.physics.umaine.edu/programs/degrees/undergrad.htm
http://www.physics.umaine.edu/programs/degrees/BS-EPS.htm

http://www.mines.edu/academic/physics/undergrad_pgm/index.html

www.fy.chalmers.se/ [Fysik och Teknisk Fysik Chalmers/GU - Hem]

www.kth.se/eng/education/programmes/master_engineering/engineering_physics_180.html

www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/EP/

www.iitd.ernet.in/deptt/phy/

I plan to elaborate further on physics/engineering when I have time.

Engineering Physics seems like a good major, but I'm not THAT good at physics yet (I only took Physics 1 in high school). Electrical Engineering only requires 3 quarters of calc-based physics (131, 132, 133) as prereqs.

For you highly physics-oriented people, I would probably do Eng. Physics. But not me...no way.

[Terp]

hhmmm...ive never had to work with major statistics! and to be honest, it doesn't sound very interesting....Now, im leaning towards electrical or software??? i would love to do civil engineering, but I guess it involves a lot of physics!!! how about majoring in mathematics? Anyone, here, who knows about this field?

An engineering degree here (University of Maryland at College Park) doesn't require THAT much math, but certain discplines have it easier.

For example, my branch in Civil engineering (Transportation systems and project management), requires Calc I, II, III, and diff eq for a bachelors degree, nothing more. However, Physics, Physics 2, statics and sometimes dynamics (for Infrastructure focused Civ. engineers) is also required.

I'd consider myself decent at math, okay with physics, but I have a passion for designing things and I consider myself very inclined to everyday application of knowledge, whether it be fixing a car or building/designing a deck. I should probably be in the architecture school but I'm not *shrugs*. Hope this helps :).

[godwinscareer]

can you do engineering after a bachelors in chemistry ???

[lizzy2k6]

i'm thinking about majoring in math, but i want to go to engineering grad school. would that be a bad idea to major in math then? would that make it harder for me to get into engineering grad school?

[kdinser]

i'm thinking about majoring in math, but i want to go to engineering grad school. would that be a bad idea to major in math then? would that make it harder for me to get into engineering grad school?

You should probably major in engineering and just take a lot of extra math classes. Maybe give yourself an extra year to graduate so you can fit it all in. Double major would also be an option.

I doubt you would have much luck getting into a engineering grad program without taking quite a few undergrad engineering classes.

[Dissonance in E]

Im interested in music and engineering and am hoping to work for the industry, designing equipment for music, eg amplifiers signal processing units keyboards and such. Not so keen on the studio side of things. what degree is the best for fulfilling these aspirations? electronics?

Thanks

[turdferguson]

Im interested in music and engineering and am hoping to work for the industry, designing equipment for music, eg amplifiers signal processing units keyboards and such. Not so keen on the studio side of things. what degree is the best for fulfilling these aspirations? electronics?

Thanks

Im in pretty much the same situation, and it seems like the answer is electrical engineering. There are opportunities to specialize in signal processing, for example, at the grad level

[Astronuc]

can you do engineering after a bachelors in chemistry ??? Yes, but one would probably be required to take some upper level engineering courses in the particularly field of engineering. Certainly it would be most practical to major in Chemical Engineering after a BS in Chemistry.

[Aussie_dude]

hey im just about to enter into my senior year in high school and iv been wondering what the courses of mechatronics, aeronautical and mechanical were like and what degree of diffuculty they are compared to each other. any advice would be greatly appreciated aye.

[Macleef]

I need some guidance and hopefully you guys will help me choose on what career I should pursue ...

First of all, I dislike English, mostly Shakespeare
Second of all, I don't really enjoy chemistry, but I do enjoy physics except for electricity which I HATE with a passion
Third of all, I love math, but I'm not that great in it

Right now, I'm thinking of going to business, specifically accounting
I only want to pursue this career because:
1. Family pressure - all of them have an accounting degree (my parents and sisters)
2. Money
3. Easy to get promotions if you "click" with the right company + person[s]
4. In demand, barely gets any lay-offs, "safe job"
5. Deals with math and no science! *best reason for me*

Reasons why I don't want to be pursue this career are:
1. I don't want to be in a cubicle, stay in the same place
2. I don't want to use the computer EVERY single day
3. I'm not a "people person", I'm shy ...


Reasons why I want to do engineering:
1. I love math
2. I like physics, except for electricity
3. I am a "hands on" kind of person
4. I like to fix and build things
5. I like the fact that you don't stay in the same environment, like you don't work in a cubicle all the time
6. I like a challenge, I'm more motivated and determined if things get hard

Why I don't want to be an engineer:
1. I don't know what kind of engineer I want to pursue, I was thinking of civil engineering
2. I don't know if this career is a "safe job", won't get laid off
3. I don't like chemistry or electricity
4. I'm scared I might be so stressed and drop-out and be a failure in life (lol)
5. I know the projects you get, you do in groups, but I don't work well with people who are extremely bossy or clueless
6. My courses are screwed up because in grade 11, I only took biology and physics, no chemistry ... and I didn't take any sciences this year, in my 12th year ... although, I have one spare that I can fill in and I can drop courses if I want too - but the thing is ... I don't want to get a low average and not get into a university at all - I live in Ontario so the schools base the admission on overall average


Other facts:
I had a 78% in physics, dropped since I didn't do the exam, I was away for a family issue and literallyfailed the electricity test and quizzes
Right now, I have a 78% in math, I flunked in one test (74%) out of three tests and two quizzes (50% and 60%), which brought down my mark
I don't even know if I'm going maintain my 70ish average from English, I have 77% as of now, but I'm failing in tests under thinking and quizzes but doing well in essay assignments

[jesuslovesu]

I'm interested in Engineering Physics. I've applied to UW-Madison and assuming I get accepted... I would possibly apply to the EP department. However, I notice that the EP degree at UW-Madison is NOT ABET certified. Is that a problem?

UW-Platteville has an EP degree and it's certified, so I've not a clue as to why Madison, the much larger university, does not.

The Nuclear Engineering program is certified, and it's related very closely, but honestly I don't think I would enjoy it as much as EP with a focus on nanoengineering or bio-engineering or EE or materials engineering... or something

[kdinser]

If it's not ABET, then you don't want that degree from that university.

[viet_jon]

I also have ADD and am probably mildly ADHD, but over the years I learned to compensate. My mind requires challenging problems, which is probably why I did well in math and science, and my work provides significant challenges.

I've always enjoyed math and science, and in school I did well the subjects. I read encyclopedias and text book for fun. When I was in high school, I enjoyed studying topics in particle physics and astrophysics, and other subjects, however I had no peers with whom I could discuss the subject. I was pretty much a loner.

Reading literature for class was difficult, and poetry was torture.



oh wow.....literally, everything you've stated accurately describes me, except I didn't read textbooks, just encyclopedia's and everything on the web related to physics. I hope these traits make me a good engineer.

don't know if your like this too, but I'm a very deep thinker. If there's something that I don't understand, it will bother me, and I will think about it for weeks (even comes up in my dreams), until I figure it out. When hanging out with my peers, many times I will be oblivious to conversations going on, and will not say a word for hours, just sitting and 'thinking'. Alot of people think I'm a werido because of this, but I don't care, I love it.

[viet_jon]

while engineers do make more than almost all other undergrads right out of school they really dont make that much more. Some business students will make just a few thousand dollars less. http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/08/pf/college/lucrative_degrees_winter07/index.htm

You will notice MIS which is a major usually for CS and computer engineering drop-outs, they make darn close to the same salary as the CS and CSe students. The sad fact is that the MIS student doesnt know much about computers at all, and they usually get the job over the cs student, In fact the average MIS student after the entry level will make around $115K according to BLS.gov while the engineers will make just around 60-70k at best.

though again many MIS students are Hired by huge companies over CS students and are even paid more, why I have no idea, there major is a complete joke.


while researching your career I say screw the money. Personally, I have absolutely no interest in MIS, and if they paid 200k, I still wouldn't do it. I've been working in industry for a long time, and I know what it's like to do something you don't like. Something you don't want to be stuck with 'till retirement. That's why I'm back in school now.

I worked for a car parts manufacturing company, and the main engineer, was getting paid 100k+ for less than 8 years experience. He only has a college Mechanical Engineering diploma. He was really good and passionate about his job. Made alot of money for the company, so they paid him for it.

Moral of the story: Do what you love, love what you do...the rest will fall in place.

[viet_jon]

Hello,

I have some critical questions regarding Electronics Engineering Technologist for Communications. I am doing it from a College in Canada.

I joined this program without even knowing what a resistor was and have maintained a 4.0 GPA for one year.

I am very absorbed into this field now. I love it, but often get frightened about the amount of information we are always bombarded with. I lack confidence in myself that I will be able to solve problems or do analysis without a formula sheet or that I will retain such massive information to apply in the work force

What does this field have to offer me in regards to 'types of jobs'? Out of curiosity I was looking for jobs on various sites and found no entry level openings. All require couple years of experience or are in 'product assembly' or 'component testing'. I didn't pay so much money, and study so much just to do component testing or assembly.

If anyone who knows or is currently in the Communications field, please tell me your experiences with the field. How do you work your way up to a good position?

This is the brief outline of my course. Tell me what you think about it.

http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/ELM.html

Thank you.


not in communications, but I have a few friends in Canada who got their diploma in EE. I think they went to mohawk, conestoga, and seneca. I hate to discourage you, but they did not expect to start at $13 bux an hour after college. Actually, they did not get an engineering job right away. They had to start as a machine operator. After that, it takes 2-3 years experience, then you 'might' get an offer as a 'Engineering Technician' with a starting salary of only approx. 27k as I recall. Then if your good at what you do, you move to the next level of Engineering which pays 55k salary. After that there's the 'Engineering Supervisor', then 'Engineering Manager' which pays really good. It takes time to move up the ladder, lots of time.

note to US readers, in Canada 'College' and 'University' are different.

[viet_jon]

I live in Ontario so the schools base the admission on overall average



actually, they take your top 6 pre-U including pre-requisites. Chemistry, Physics, Calculus, Adv. Func, Eng, + 1 more.

you can get into ryerson's engineering program with a 70 something.

go here http://www.ouac.on.ca/news/news.html there's stats for different universities and minimum grade average. oh btw, according to their survey, 95% of engineers get hired after 6 months.

[viet_jon]

i feel like a loner making my 5th consecutive post in this thread.

anyway, wicked thread....took me couple hours to get through it. I know exactly what I want to do now.

[Ian_Brooks]

Hi,
I was trying to get advice on helping a friend decide whether she should take EE/Computer Engineering or Chemical Engineering (Hence I couldn't write CE twice :D)

I'd like to deviate from the traditional argument that one is easier/harder than the other but does anyone have any insight on Chemical Engineering? I'm an EE myself and obviously I'd be biased towards it but what should someone consider when picking up Chemical Engineering?

[sillydude]

Well you see im torn between becoming an engineer or physicist, its basically the fact that i might have difficulty securing a job if i go through with physics...i live in Canada, does anyone have any input on the job outlook for physics?, and for engineering i love rockets/space and would love to be involved in that in the near future, what type of engineering is best for that?

[shawshank]

Undergrad in Mechanical Engineering, Masters in Mechatronics, what do you guys think? How are the jobs?

[jesuslovesu]

I'm planning on majoring in electrical engineering. Currently, I have a TI83+ which does not do indefinite integrals. Do I need to get a TI89 that has the ability to do indefinite integrals. I've only taken statics, which has some calculus, but all the integrals have been really easy. Do upper level EE classes require people to hard integrals on tests?

[snkk197]

I'm agonizing over whether to choose Physics or Engineering for my degree for Sept 08 in the UK. I'm 28, with a business degree, so I'll be applying as a mature student. I got good A levels in Biology, Chemistry and Maths 10 years ago, and I'm currently taking Foundation Year evening classes in Physics and Further Maths.

The physics I'm studying now is fantastic - I'm scoring 80s and 90s in my assignments (and would do better if I didn't work full-time) so I don't have any doubt I'd enjoy studying it for it's own sake at uni. Engineering is obviously much more of a mystery. It's attractive because I want make a real stamp in society, and contribute to building thinsg that will benefit people. But I've been looking at a variety of engineering books and and the maths is scary! I did really well in maths throughout school - not a genius, but I had good intuition over the direction in which answers could be found, and I was a hard worker. It's hard to know whether I'd withstand the demands at degree level though. The further maths I'm doing now has only just started to get harder - I've received perfect marks on my assessments so far with almost no study, but it's really just revision material for me, so it's not really a good indicator of how far I could go. So I'm worried about keeping up with uni students who've probably done intensive A levels in Further Maths and Further Physics at A level. I'm hoping to consolidate and further my knowledge with some online courses at the Open University, but they don't start until Jan. I would also love to think I had some creative juices in me, but that side of my brain has been neglected for so long it's hard to know. Aeronautical engineering looks pretty exciting at the moment, but it's so competitive to get into, and I'd settle for mechanical enginnering to keep my job prospects broader. Medical engineering and robotics would be amazing to get into, but I'm not sure how much I want to get stuck back into Biology and Human Anatomy.

And as I haven't studied so recently, I don't even know if I stand a chance of getting into uni. For lots of reasons I need to stay in London, and the gap in quality between some of the best engineering unis in the world - Imperial, UCL, and Brunel, and the rest of the London polytechnics, is huge. My lecturers are adamant I try for only the best. But it means competing against 18 y.o s who have industrial work experience, project work, entered competions, etc, etc. I probably would have a better shot at getting onto a physics degree which doesn't require so much practical experience to boost your application. (Which I'd love to get, but because I have both a full-time and part-time job, I can't figure out how it'll slot in.)

So any advice for a mature applicant would be so appreciated. I found the previous observations, that physicists and scientists face much more competion in their fields than engineers, really interesting. As much as I'd love to study something I'd definitely love, like physics, at this point I have to really think long-term and where the better job prospects lie. A physics degree for me, should end with a job in R&D or industry or something similar. I can not stomach the thought of busting my gut (and my wallet) for 3-4 years and end up working in a bank (especially with a business degree behind me already!)

Brunel do offer a foundation year for their engineering courses so that's an option I can try for. Or could consider waiting until 09 to study, and spend the next year and a half accumulating as much work experience as possible to boost my application, and also really make sure it's the career I want. Financially it'll be really hard though.

Just as a side-note, we can't switch degrees in the UK unfortunately - you decide what you want from the start, physics, mechanical eng, EE, etc, etc and you stick with it or you start over (though there may be some scope to change from one engineering branch to another depending on the uni). The core subjects in the first year are pretty different between physics and engineering.

And I need to decide pretty soon - the deadline's in January :(

Thanks for any help!

Stella

[||spoon||]

Hi all,

I posted on this exact thread earlier in the year, unable to decide wether to do straight out physics or to do engineering.

I think i have come to the conclusion that i would prefer to do an engineering discipline over pure physics but now i cannot decide which discipline.

I have just finished high school and exams and have gitten my results back, they are good enough that i can basically choose any engineering or science course that i want throughout the state ( i live in australia). I need to have my course preferences in by noon on chirstmas eve... and i still can't decide between chemical engineering or aerospace.

My first preference at the moment is the new science course at melbourne university in which i would do a bachelor of science (with engineering, maths, a science, and a breadth subject [outside of science]) and then follow up with a 2 years masters in an engineering discipline.

A good thing about this course is that it leaves open the option of doing a physics based engineering discipline (i.e not chemical) and at my final year just dropping engineering and continuing with straight physics if i wanted too.

My problem with this course is that:
1) I need to choose in my first year wether to do either chemistry (which leads to chemical engineering) or physics (which basically leads to all other disciplines)
2) the aerospace course that melbourne university offers really ISN'T an aerospace course... it is mechanical engineering with relevant subjects such as fluid mechanics etc.added on.


Because of reason 2) given above i feel that i need to decide between chemical and aerospace straight away... because if i ultimately choose aerospace perhaps i would be better off at RMIT or Monash.

I guess my real question is not so much a question but more of a plea for adivce... can anyone give me any info on which i should choose? I think i like physics and chemistry to an equal amount... but if i was to see myself of a professor of either i would quickly come to the decision of physics.

Also, regarding the aerospace at Melbourne (mechanical with fluid mechanics)... would this leave me at a disadvantage to other engineers in an aerospace industry? would i be less employable having chosen this option over a straight aerospace degree?

My post has probably turned into mindless rambling by now and if youhave read this far thanks alot... any help would be appreciated

||spoon||

[||spoon||]

another question:

If i choose to do engineering with a physics minor... how much physics would i be issing out on?

My hesitation to go into Engineering is simply dur to the fact that i REALLy like physics... want to learn as much of it as i can. Would i be missing out on alot?

On the other hand my hesitation to become, say a physicist, is due to the fact that i want a decent job. (no offense meant to physicists intended, just that i hear its hard to find a job with only physics)

thanks,

Spoon

[Cyrus]

What do you think you will do as a physicists, and as an engineer spoon?

[||spoon||]

well i am not fully aware of the job prospects as a physicist. The reason i would do pur physics is because i like it so much and it interests me so intensely. I mean despite the fact i havent even begun university yet i find the prospect of actually teaching physics at a university standard very attractive. this may seem very naieve, but i think it outlines my enjoyment with the subjects involved.

As an engineer i suppose it would depend upon which discipline i would choose. But again the reasons for even wanting to be an engineer stem soley from my wanting to use maths and sciences because i like them so much. i asked myself "what jobs would you use them in?" and of course engineering comes to mind straight away...

[Cyrus]

Ok, try this again. What sets appart an engineer from a physicist? Or at least, what do you think?

[||spoon||]

i see, sorry.

Well to me it seems that a Physicist attempts to discover, or learn, things to do with the natural world.

An engineer uses this information gained by the scientists, and implements it into different products such as buildings materials and chemicals for every day use by society.

is that what you meant?

[Cyrus]

Exactly. This is not exactly true. An engineer uses physics and math no different that a physicist does. The difference is in WHAT they study. Engineers dont just 'get' equations from scientists. They derive them themselves, and study the 'nature' of the world with those equations. They just study a different AREA of science.

Heat transfer, fluid flow, material science. These are all areas of physics done by engineers. They are just highly specialized physicists.

[||spoon||]

so you said "The difference is in WHAT they study."

What would you say the difference is?

And "They just study a different AREA of science."

what is the difference here?

[||spoon||]

sorry,

What makes their area of study different?

Probably a clearer question

[Cyrus]

Depends on your concentration:

Aerospace - controls, aerodynamics, structural analysis, vibrations.
Mechanical - controls, fluid flow, structural analysis, materials, vibrations.
Material Science - Materials, duh :)
Civil Engineering - materials, structures.
Electrical: - circuit analysis, controls, signal processing.

Anyways, the point is these are all areas of physics.

[||spoon||]

I have just finished high school and exams and have gitten my results back, they are good enough that i can basically choose any engineering or science course that i want throughout the state ( i live in australia). I need to have my course preferences in by noon on chirstmas eve... and i still can't decide between chemical engineering or aerospace.

My first preference at the moment is the new science course at melbourne university in which i would do a bachelor of science (with engineering, maths, a science, and a breadth subject [outside of science]) and then follow up with a 2 years masters in an engineering discipline.

A good thing about this course is that it leaves open the option of doing a physics based engineering discipline (i.e not chemical) and at my final year just dropping engineering and continuing with straight physics if i wanted too.

My problem with this course is that:
1) I need to choose in my first year wether to do either chemistry (which leads to chemical engineering) or physics (which basically leads to all other disciplines)
2) the aerospace course that melbourne university offers really ISN'T an aerospace course... it is mechanical engineering with relevant subjects such as fluid mechanics etc.added on.


Because of reason 2) given above i feel that i need to decide between chemical and aerospace straight away... because if i ultimately choose aerospace perhaps i would be better off at RMIT or Monash.

||spoon||

Concerning this section from my original post.

Do you think it would be better for me to go to this flexible Melbourne university course? that way i dont have to choose discipline straight away (apart from chemical) and it also leaves the physics option open.

However, if i come to the conclusion that i wanna do aerospace... i dont know if i would be better off somewhere else with an actual degree in aerospace, not a mechanical degree with some fluid mechanics. What do you think?

i am just really stuck with choosing my university course at the moment and a bit stressed because my choice has to be in very soon

[Cyrus]

Here is the thing, if you want to get a job in Aerospace, you are going to want to do engineering. Either Mechanical or Aerospace, both are similar to eachother. Fluid mechanics is very similar to aerodynamics, just the problem changes. The maths the same. Exactly the same. (I've taken both.)

The question is, what do you want to do as your job? Me, I want to work and design aircraft. Choice is simple for me. What do you want to do?

[||spoon||]

honestly i dont know yet. I'm only 18 and a question of "what do you want to do?"... for the rest of your life! is a bit daunting to say the least. But what i DO know is that i want to use a lot of maths and science in whatever job i do get...

I mean i dont have any paricular interest in aircraft themselves, or in chemical plants themselves... I'm really only interested in the science and maths used to design them and make them work.

Because every branch of engineering has this aspect to it is the main reason i am having difficulty deciding.

[||spoon||]

I mean Melbourne univeristy is one of the best in australia... (i dont know where you're from) so id really like to go there... but i dont want to miss out on an actual Aerospace degree if thats what i ultimately want to do... and if i choose physics in first year what if i want to do chemical engineering later??? this is my main problem i think

[||spoon||]

did you go to university in the first place knwoing you wanted to design aircraft??

[Cyrus]

You can use a lot of math and science in any area. Having interested in aircraft means the math and science used to design and make them. If you dont have any interest in them, its pretty clear you should not do it.

I wanted to be a pilot when I was 5. I dont waste time or money. I went to college for a reason and did it.

[D.Booker]

i've been looking and looking, and everywhere i see this topic i see the same general answers. But my question is what if you dont meet a few of these 'standards' to become an engineer major? For example i love to take things apart and see how they work, i've always been curious in that manner (especially electronics)...my only downfall is that i'm not really the greatest in math....(but oddly enough i love my AP Physics class, and maintain a B). I took geometry my junior year of high school, and now i'm taking trig in my senior year, and i was doing well with it until we got to equations that were all words....which is giving me that question as to if i should rethink my major or not....any suggestions??

Thanks

[Cyrus]

To be an engineer one must know math.

[kdinser]

See how you do in calculus. Math gets a lot more interesting once you get into calc.

[RufusDawes]

Is it possible to become an engineer if not so naturally good at maths through hard work ?

[ranger]

Is it possible to become an engineer if not so naturally good at maths through hard work ?

By hard work, do you mean put in the extra effort to become proficient in using math as a tool to solve engineering problems? If so, the answer is yes. However, math is an integral part of any engineering discipline. So it would not be wise to study in a field that relies heavily on math if you feel that you cannot improve in this subject area.

[karenlau]

I just asked for a transfer from physics to mech. engineering..
I still do like physics but I think my brain is not as strong as past years. I am afraid if I couldn't get at least 4.0 out of 5.0, I can't get to grad. school.
I am 28 btw, I hate the feeling if I can't get into research with my physics degree, what should I do??

[hglucky]

Ranger -
Most engineering majors require several levels of calculus covering derivatives, integrals and matrices. In addition, certain majors require differential equations. Usually that is as far as you go. If one is set on the sciences, most of the core classes required for engineering will serve you in any of the fields. I don't think there would be a huge wast of time if you decided to switch after the first couple of semesters. The first year usually includes your basic physics, chemistry, maybe an introductory engineering class or two, and calculus.

I was actually horrible at math. Ok, not completely relevant, but I struggled with long division back in grammar school. Later, in college, it became easier once I got into the right thought mode. If you are understanding and passing trig, I think you have the analytical thinking necessary to move you to higher levels of math. As long as you are not taking two or three math classes at the same time (I did that, don't do it) it comes slow enough to absorb, so long as you have that analytical thinking capability. If you have to work harder than others, you can still manage so long as you attend EVERY class, take excellent notes, and go to the prof immediately if you get stuck. That should keep you up with everyone else. By the way, even though I struggled with math earlier, I finished with a masters in ME and, if I remember right, only one class shy of a BS in math. (I didn't have the desire to take the necessary abstract math class for the actual BS) It can be done.

Now whether or not you will enjoy all of this is an entirely different matter. You really have to like a challenge. At any rate, part of being an engineer is enjoying a challenge. We are, after all, problem solvers.

Karenlau-
If you are still undecided about the two majors, I would suggest that you speak with a counselor, advisor, someone in the department. Ask what the requirements are for entry into grad school and see if you are already on that path. If you are, perhaps that makes your decision much easier. If not, you must see if there is anything you can do to improve your chances.

To be honest, if you are aiming towards a research position, there are not so many jobs in engineering where you will have that chance. Engineering is applied physics and research is limited to testing methods to solve a particular problem rather than developing completely new concepts. There are a few situations where engineers do, but I think your average job doesn't provide that opportunity.

And wow, I don't think that you should be worried quite yet about your brain power at 28! It is more likely that if you are feeling a bit dull edged, it has to do with stress or particular issues going on in your life at this time. Trust me on this one. I think you will find that once you have resolved any issues, you will be back to your sharp thinking in no time.

[mathis314]

well, some of the calculations in engineering get pretty lengthy, and accuracy is a must. There are plenty of smart people out there, but if they cant produce the right numbers, it will be very hard. I know this from my experience in chemical engineering courses. This is probably more important in engineering than in being a math major (theoretical), ironically enough.

[iceman99]

I am also in 11th grade; I chose to take AP physics and AP biology should I have taken AP calc also instead of a regular calculus program offered at my high school next year?

[jesuslovesu]

How useful are career fairs? My school is having one right now and I feel like I should be at it, but I don't really have any nice clothing and on this forum I get the sense that very few people actually obtain jobs from going to them. I am a sophomore in EE but this semester is the first time I am taking any engineering courses, so I don't have much experience. Should I wait until I'm a junior? As of right now I don't have a job for the summer, and I really don't want to work in the factory that I worked in last summer, it was terrible.

[Ian_Brooks]

Use career fairs to network. Most ppl will walk in ask for job openings and run off. Ask the career representatives for tips on applying, what its like working as a ...... (this is where you fill in the blanks depending on which booth you're at) and really get to know what is involved in a certain career path. Once you start applying for jobs - you'll be shocked to see how many different career paths are open to you with engineering.

For example:

I'm interning at a power distributions company,
I have friends working in engineering software, such as Intelligent energy system design and texas instruments. I have friends working with telecomunications networks, another working with safetly systems with the railway systems, others working with biomedical implants for the ear, others working at medical imaging, some working as sales engineers, some working in microporcessor coding and testing, some working in power generation systems and a few working with teams that are involved with product testing and design.


And they're all 3rd year EE's.

(Sorry for my EE bias - its all I have experiance with.)

[harelo]

I have been thinking of becoming a Biomedical Engineer, this is an option course taken from a Electrical, Mechanical, or Material engineering stand point. I really like this option because it offers me the opportunity to engineer for the most complicated system in the world, the human body. However, I would like to know if anyone has some experience with this, and I want to know how the different backgrounds would affect the course.

[Hydrargyrum]

Anyway, lets get onto something I definetely KNOW about - student life. Studying engineering is basically a self-imposed 4 (or more) year sentence to hard labour. You WILL have no time, you WILL have 30 odd page reports due every week, you WILL lose like a million hours of sleep, you WILL have an astronomical coffee bill, you WILL be stressed, you WILL at times have no clue what you're doing BUT if you are true engineering material, you WILL never look back and even half-consider changing your course.



Thank you for making me doubt myself again

[RufusDawes]

hhhmmm I was supposed to be starting an engineering degree but I made the decision that I don't have enough money to go back to school just yet.

I think engineering is the most valuable education you can get and I think it is more of a certification than other degrees that are just an ability screen (like economics).

In one year I will be 25 and start the degree. I have decided on electrical/electronics stream.

If I am good enough to graduate what would an employer think of my story ? Will I be too old for Entry level positions or will I be at a significant disadvantage ?

If I were an employer I would want to know why this person spent three years studying economics, why they did not get a job as an economist, and why is he a 29 year old graduate. Why should I hire this person when I have a 22 year old infront of me who has wanted this since day one ? The 22 year old has a much more solid track record.

If the reasons were not very solid I would not hire me.

[stakehoagy]

I'm also thinking about a major in biomedical engineering, but I'm still in high school so I have time. Any biomedical engineers here have advice? average salary? job outlook?

[John Creighto]

I'm also thinking about a major in biomedical engineering, but I'm still in high school so I have time. Any biomedical engineers here have advice? average salary? job outlook?

I think biomedical engineering is mostly research. I think Boston has a large biomedical engineering industry.

[ranger]

I'm also thinking about a major in biomedical engineering, but I'm still in high school so I have time. Any biomedical engineers here have advice? average salary? job outlook?

You can find a wealth of information in the Occupational Outlook Handbook from the Department of Labor.
http://www.bls.gov/search/ooh.asp?ct=OOH

[sterproj]

Choose engineering only if you like that title and like designing.
What engineering field? Electrical engineering if you are more the geek type, and civil or mechanical engineering you are more rought.
Is engineering difficult? Yes.Assumming you are the math science guy the only hardest is the the fact you must work with rogue people, thats if you are a project engineer.
You if think you can't work with hillbilly people but still like designing new thinks go for a double degree engineering and math(or philosophy if you are weak at maths).

[ranger]

Choose engineering only if you like that title and like designing.
What engineering field? Electrical engineering if you are more the geek type, and civil or mechanical engineering you are more rought.
Is engineering difficult? Yes.Assumming you are the math science guy the only hardest is the the fact you must work with rogue people, thats if you are a project engineer.
You if think you can't work with hillbilly people but still like designing new thinks go for a double degree engineering and math(or philosophy if you are weak at maths).

Thats really bad advice to give someone who is inquiring about the engineering field!

[Edwardo_Elric]

I am a sophomore in Computer ENgineering switching to another engineering because i suck at programming but good with maths....
and i would like to ask just a question about what engineering fits me.... i like mechanics a lot, i like maths, i like drawing but the drawing doesnt like me but ill practice, i am poor in programming, i am poor in electrostatics and circuitry ..
i think i am poor in machineries, but i think robotics are cool

so i think it is, is it
Mechanical or Civil?
which has more mechanics?/Maths?

i am not sure what to switch but i need you to advice me what to do in preparation for Civil , mechanical? i am really confused
should i fix cars? or build lego blocks? solve rubix cubes? etc....?

[RufusDawes]

Are there engineering jobs out there for engineers who aren't really all that smart. Something nice cosy and secure ? Is engineering a cutthroat field ?

[Edwardo_Elric]

Hi again
i just wanted to ask anyone what is the difference between electronics and communications engineering and electrical engineering.....

My friend says that:
ECE - is more on circuits, resistors, capacitors, electrostatics, programming

EE - More on math/ physics, wires?... i can't remember what he said...

and is EE engineering really the one with the most math?...

btw i am really weak in programming and circuits but i love math and physics

as mentioned in my last post can you tell me what engineering suits me?

Thank you

[ranger]

Edwardo_Elric, since you are in college you can surely discuss your concerns with your academic adviser. This would be the safest route to go.

ECE and EE are very similar. In fact in most schools only a few courses will separate the two. You can expect to take more courses on programming and computer architecture in ECE, while in EE you will probably deal (in detail) with power electronics and E&M (RF, microwave, etc circuits).

[PhysicalAnomaly]

I'm starting a degree in chem eng. But I'm having reservations about my choice of engineering branch. I think I chose it because I'd get to learn lots about fluids and thermodynamics. But I'm now worried that it won't involve as much maths as I'd like. What do you think? Would chem eng involve a lot of maths? Which engineering branches involve the most maths? Aerospace? Mechanical? And no, don't suggest electronics. That's my one weak physics subject.

Thanks.

PS I tried some of the first year problem sheets and found them way too easy. Is it supposed to be like this? I'm a bit disappointed. I was looking forwards to a challenge...

[RufusDawes]

I'm saving this year to study electrical and electronics engineering next year.

What are the consequences going to be like since I will enter my studies late (25 years old) and don't have any engineering experience to date.

[Serbian.matematika]

Electrical Engineering has more maths than any other eng program and it is the most difficult program.

The easiest to handle would be civil, IMO,

Do NOT worry about your age, you are very young!
Good Luck!

[Hydrargyrum]

The easiest to handle would be civil, IMO,


Any why is that?

[Edwardo_Elric]

i am poor in programmng but if it takes practice... ill do anything i can
How much computer science does EE involve?
in my curriculum i had to take 3 COmputer classes

[RufusDawes]

Electrical Engineering has more maths than any other eng program and it is the most difficult program.

The easiest to handle would be civil, IMO,

Do NOT worry about your age, you are very young!
Good Luck!

I am so incapable of making a decision I have put it off for another year, using the excuse that I need to save more money. I was all due to enrol too.

[Serbian.matematika]

come on bros if I (girl) can do it you can do it too, just cling to your books.

*****if you fail some courses soooooooo what, just keep going, don't give up sooooo eassily, promise:-)
good luck

[thinkies]

In particular, Industrial engineering and Aeronautical engineering are the hardest of all.

That's very sad to hear....I was expecting those fields to be relatively easy or even "smooth"(especially in understanding the concepts and all the stuff) among all other engineering fields.

I am interested in astronautical engineering, however it's a disappointment that I also share a lot of passion for astronomy(theoretical aspect). Distorted between those 2 fields :S. Still, I have a lot of time to think about all those stuff(*I'm in high school*). :smile:

[budala]

the most difficult is ;
a) electrical
b) aerospace (aeronautical)
c) mechanical
d) chemical
e) Industrial
f) civil

[thinkies]

the most difficult is ;
a) electrical
b) aerospace (aeronautical)
c) mechanical
d) chemical
e) Industrial
f) civil
So...is astronautical engineering easy? In your list, you simply mention aeronautical engineering (b)...

[budala]

aero and astro are not the same programs.

I did NOT say anything about astronautical engineering being easy.

[thinkies]

aero and astro are not the same programs.

I did NOT say anything about astronautical engineering being easy.

It seems like I offended you. This was not what I meant. In fact, I am asking if astronautical engineering is hard...Well, is it hard? :smile: I'm not telling that you are wrong and you should consider astronautical engineering in your list. I am aware that aeronautical is different from astronautical...

[budala]

oh no, not at all, you did not offend me.
you are right astronautical should be considered,
but I did not remember that program since not to many ppl are studying it and just some universities are offering it.
are there jobs for astro graduates?

[Edwardo_Elric]

can someone also rank the most mathematical....

[thinkies]

are there jobs for astro graduates?

Yep.They can work at Nasa, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc. Astronautical engineers have good (and high) salaries. And most of these engineers don't really face unemployment problems...

[thinkies]

but I did not remember that program since not to many ppl are studying it and just some universities are offering it.


Well, before astronautical engineering wasn't that famous. Today, it's really a popular subject and many many universities are offering it. There are many interesting projects in astronautical engineering, it's a fascinating subject :smile:.

[Astronuc]

oh no, not at all, you did not offend me.
you are right astronautical should be considered,
but I did not remember that program since not to many ppl are studying it and just some universities are offering it.
are there jobs for astro graduates? Coincidentally,

Aerospace, defense industries brace for worker shortage. (at least in the US)
The AP (3/5) reports, "The aerospace and defense sector is bracing for a potential brain drain over the next decade as a generation of Cold War scientists and engineers hits retirement age and not enough qualified young Americans seek to take their place." The industry's problem is that "almost 60 percent of U.S. aerospace workers" are age 45 or older. This could threaten national security "and even close the door on commercial products that start out as military technology, industry officials said." The sector is also facing increased competition from technology companies. Kimberly Ware, associate director for employer relations at Virginia Tech, said that defense companies are "vying with General Electric Co., Westinghouse Electric Corp. and the big auto makers for electrical and mechanical engineering graduates." There is also another challenge for the industry. "Unlike technology companies, defense companies generally have to hire American citizens since they need employees who can obtain security clearance. This eliminates foreign graduates of American universities and foreign employees in the U.S. on H-1B visas."

RedOrbit (3/5) points out that in "an effort to solve the problem, defense companies are initiating programs to reach out to American students as early as possible." For example, Lockheed Martin employees are tutoring elementary school "students in math and science" and "recruiting high school students to shadow Lockheed workers on the job." And at Northrop Grumman, "a program has been established called Weightless Flights of Discovery that allows middle school teachers to experience temporary weightlessness on 'zero-gravity' airplane flights."

[Edwardo_Elric]

has anyone barely passed EE labs w/out any partner?

[RufusDawes]

Whats electrical/electronics (thats how it is offered till you specialise) like for job prospects ? I am going to do it anyway.. just asking.

[thinkies]

Whats electrical/electronics (thats how it is offered till you specialise) like for job prospects ? I am going to do it anyway.. just asking.

I think Electrical/Electronics engineers are doing pretty well. They also have high salaries. I'm sure you can find more information by "googling" :smile:.

[nebuqalia]

I hope this post is not too harsh, but I just want to give a sincere advice.

In a nutshell: The overall climate for engineering is not good. I do not recommend pursuing engineering.

Unfortunately, engineering is becoming an easily replaceable commodity. A good example is the transfer of manufacturing engineering jobs to cheap countries in the late 1980s. Another wave of job transfer occurred in the 2000s, where computer engineering and electrical engineering jobs were moved to China and India.

One might say, that the jobs being transfered are the low-level "purely mechanical" kind of work. Well, that *was* true. Unfortunately, even "high level" engineering is being shipped overseas. Many new research & development (R&D) centers of large corporations are built in China, India, and the like. For our colleagues in India and China, that's good news.

You could also think of it in another way. In the 1900s, most of the population worked in agriculture and farming. In the 1960s, it shrunk to less than 8%, and ofcourse even less today. Then the same thing happened with manufacturing, with the percentage shrinking much rapidly. Unfortunately, this is happening in engineering too.

Some might say: "but there is a shortage in some engineering fields! there are opportunities then." These are simply short cycles of supply and demand. If the cycle is over, you will very likely face the same problems faced by computer, electrical, & electronic engineers in the 2000s: massive layoffs. What I'm trying to say is there is no job security in the long term. In other words, you can not build a long lasting career there.

There is also the image problem. The public image of engineering is not good. The public does not even know what engineering is. They are typically seen as technicians. Compare this with the public image of doctors, lawyers, business managers, etc. Even in research, engineering is not credited. For example, many of the new breakthroughs in biomedical engineering are credited to doctors. You would typically read "doctors discovered ..." but how many times did you hear the sentence "engineers at XYZ have finally uncovered ABC ..."?!!

So what should we do? Be more open minded. Look at other professions which share some common traits with engineering. Fortunately, there are many other professions that make use of some math and the numerical abilities typically associated with engineering. For example, financing, financial management, business management, marketing, etc.

But don't get me wrong. I do believe that engineering is important and significant. I'm an engineer myself. And btw, am not too old to have such a negative perspective; I'm in my mid 20s. But I believe that, as engineers, we should be objective. I know it is very annoying and disturbing to admit the current situation, but this wont change the fact that it is happening; its reality.

For those who are interested in math and science, keep on if you like. However, I strongly do not recommend that you pursue it in a *professional* career. Keep it as an exciting cool hobby. Read a couple of books every now and then. Be a do-it-yourself (DIY) kind of person. The DIY magazines, the web, and many other places are full of amazing projects and excellent practical tutorials that would easily fill your engineering appetite.

Plus, you will experience the extra fulfillment of working on engineering projects as a hobby. However, when you turn your hobby into a dedication, a job, or a profession, then very often you would get bored and eventually lose your hobby. This is because you'll have peer pressure, boss pressure, deadlines, etc. All these things take out the fun from doing your hobby. We love to do our hobbies because its us who decide when, why, and what to do.

Once again, I really apologize if you were disturbed by this post. I hope I didn't paint a very dark picture, but unfortunately this is the truth.

[RufusDawes]

Thats easy thing for you to say because you already are an engineer and have a degree.

Do you realise how difficult it is to break into the finance industry ? unless you want to be a quant (which means you need to know someone) you will start out as a glorified receptionist and your mathematical ability will mean nothing. Finance is largely a relationship based profession. I assume that is not the strength of many engineers.

I've got to question your 'just walk into finance' attitude. Might be possible for you because of the skills you developed as an engineer. I was reading what you were saying and taking it all onboard until I read that advice. It tells me you could just be a bitter person who is a little jealous that people in finance and accounting get paid a little more in the long run, and are attracting more prestige.

Would you be able to explain this to me please ?

I don't know anyone who would go into finance or accounting if they were able to work as an engineer. Engineers get much better starting salaries and frankly more dignified roles. I don't believe engineers aren't respect.

My friends who have graduated from mechanical engineering walk into jobs that either cannot be filled, or walk into a position where there are only 20 applicants. People who graduate from finance go into an interview with 700 people applying for one job, and this is in the small companies. In the large I assume the engineers have high competition too only not as bad. In the large companies you're facing a ratio of thousands for one job.

IT, finance, HR, administration I was under the impression when the economy goes down in corporate these are the first things to go.

Would you be able to explain this to me please ? I am trying not to ask this in an accusantional tone. I think maybe you are making the scenario out to be more severe than it really is.

How much money do you expect to earn ? what kind of position to you expect to keep ?

[nebuqalia]

I apologize Rufus, I didn't mean to have the 'just get into finance' attitude. I mentioned finance as an example of other non-engineering professions that could possibly benefit from the skills of engineers.

You made a good comment by saying:
My friends who have graduated from mechanical engineering walk into jobs that either cannot be filled, or walk into a position where there are only 20 applicants.
I believe this is an exception. A major issue in engineering is that, typically, the percentage of fresh graduates (ie. 20-24) is less than 5% of the overall workforce. This tells us that engineering is based on experience more than education. Infact, technicians (ie 2 years college) with a sufficient number of years could occupy engineering positions.

As a side note (since this is not the main point of my post), the skills of engineers do matter when it comes to finance, accounting, management or other related fields. I would summarize my argument in the following short list:

Vikram Pandit - CEO of Citigroup
BS Electrical Engineering, Columbia University (1976)
MS Electrical Engineering, Columbia University (1977)
PhD Finance, Columbia Business School (1986)

John Thain - CEO of Merrill Lynch
BS Electrical Engineering, MIT (1977)
MBA, Harvard Business School (1979)

Ralph Shrader - CEO of Booz Allen Hamilton
BS Electrical Engineering, University of Pennsylvania
MS Electrical Engineering, University of Illinois
PhD Electrical Engineering, University of Illinois

[RufusDawes]

Alright so I am 24 and I want to get an electrical engineering degree. Waste of time in your opinion ?

[Hydrargyrum]

Are there enough job openings for civil engineers?

[Serbian.matematika]

Are there enough job openings for civil engineers?

In Canada , yes.

[KennyCivE]

In Canada , yes.

Same for U.S.

One of the unique things about civil engineering is that you can't build a building or a bridge overseas and ship it over in reasonable time and money. It has to be built on site, and you can't design anything without having site visits.

[quadraphonics]

One of the unique things about civil engineering is that you can't build a building or a bridge overseas and ship it over in reasonable time and money. It has to be built on site, and you can't design anything without having site visits.

True, but you CAN ship over foreign engineers to do the on-site stuff for reasonable time and money. That this doesn't happen in the United States (and other western countries) has more to do with accreditation requirements and other regulations than any fundamental aspect of the work. But it's very much commonplace for countries in the developing world to ship in foreign (usually Western) engineers when they want to build a skysraper or big bridge or dam.

[proton]

how does grad school admissions work for engineering, if you got your B.S. in physics? what is required to get into top schools like caltech, mit, etc? you need good grades, letters of rec, GRE scores? does doing an REU in physics help alot or is it meaningless?

[nebuqalia]

Rufus, I *strongly* do not recommend that you pursue EEng (for the reasons stated in my post). Thinking to change your career *into* IT is one huge mistake. People are getting *out* of it en masse. The exact opposite is true in China and India, where IT and engineering are the #1 career choice.

... but you CAN ship over foreign engineers to do the on-site stuff for reasonable time and money ... it's very much commonplace for countries in the developing world to ship in foreign (usually Western) engineers when they want to build a skycraper or big bridge or dam.
Absolutely true. Civil engineering too can (and in many cases already is) being outsourced. Unfortunately, its becoming difficult for engineers to assume job security. With the increasing usage of information technology, it is becoming much easier to ship jobs anywhere on earth. A friend of mine in an oil & gas construction firm told me that a couple of their projects are now being completely monitored remotely via satellites.

[RufusDawes]

Rufus, I *strongly* do not recommend that you pursue EEng (for the reasons stated in my post). Thinking to change your career *into* IT is one huge mistake. People are getting *out* of it en masse. The exact opposite is true in China and India, where IT and engineering are the #1 career choice.


Absolutely true. Civil engineering too can (and in many cases already is) being outsourced. Unfortunately, its becoming difficult for engineers to assume job security. With the increasing usage of information technology, it is becoming much easier to ship jobs anywhere on earth. A friend of mine in an oil & gas construction firm told me that a couple of their projects are now being completely monitored remotely via satellites.

aawwwww wtf am I going to do...

call centres .... lol......not fun either.
gah. atleast I aren't american !!

I still think you're largely exaggerating. If all of the jobs do go overseas we won't have much of an economy for much longer and won't be able to afford the outsourcing or won't have sufficient investment to be able to import en masse from India.

By that logic everything will be outsourced, accounting, healthcare the works. There is really nothing you can do in that case apart from.. drive trucks, work in healthcare or serve rich people under the situation you describe.

Where I am there are massive shortages in IT and engineering. Would you able to give me a more indepth description of what is going on please ?

So say the call centre that doesn't get outsourced (as people hate indians) needs someone to make sure the computer networks .. who are they going to hire ? surely it can't hurt to have an EE degree ?

Health care - if no one has any money because all the jobs are going, how are they going to be the healthcare workers wages ?

[nebuqalia]

... If all of the jobs do go overseas we won't have much of an economy for much longer and won't be able to afford the outsourcing ...
You are somehow right, this is purely economics. First of all we are not talking about "all the jobs", it's engineering that we are discussing here. Second, this is an economical transformation. A good illustration of this is the same transition that happened from a civilization based on farming and agriculture, to a civilization based on technology. Similarly, we are now experiencing another transition.


By that logic everything will be outsourced .. really nothing you can do in that case apart from ... work in healthcare

Unfortunately, this is happening mainly in engineering because it is sometimes viewed as a commodity. As for healthcare, you bet! Healthcare and healthcare related careers are having exponential job growth. Plus, governments and society gives top priority to healthcare, and they do not tolerate bad quality in health services. In addition, the licensing and education is extremely rigorous to ensure good health services quality. Plus, doctors and other health care professionals must physically interact with the patients.


Where I am there are massive shortages in IT and engineering. Would you able to give me a more indepth description of what is going on please? So say the call centre that doesn't get outsourced (as people hate indians) needs someone to make sure the computer networks .. who are they going to hire? surely it can't hurt to have an EE degree?

I am afraid I am not capable of providing an in-depth description because I don't know where you are :). As for the call centers, you absolutely don't need to spend 4 years of EE for that! A 3 months certificate in network maintenance is very sufficient. Plus, just anyone can take one of those Cisco certificates and be ready.

I hope that was helpful.

[RufusDawes]

You are somehow right, this is purely economics. First of all we are not talking about "all the jobs", it's engineering that we are discussing here. Second, this is an economical transformation. A good illustration of this is the same transition that happened from a civilization based on farming and agriculture, to a civilization based on technology. Similarly, we are now experiencing another transition.


Unfortunately, this is happening mainly in engineering because it is sometimes viewed as a commodity. As for healthcare, you bet! Healthcare and healthcare related careers are having exponential job growth. Plus, governments and society gives top priority to healthcare, and they do not tolerate bad quality in health services. In addition, the licensing and education is extremely rigorous to ensure good health services quality. Plus, doctors and other health care professionals must physically interact with the patients.


I am afraid I am not capable of providing an in-depth description because I don't know where you are :). As for the call centers, you absolutely don't need to spend 4 years of EE for that! A 3 months certificate in network maintenance is very sufficient. Plus, just anyone can take one of those Cisco certificates and be ready.

I hope that was helpful.

You don't even need any certification to take care of a call centre, the fact is though that with the number of people that will apply for that job, and the relative scarcity of high paying positions under the circumstances that you are proposing. Under the situation where having a degree in electrical engineering becomes harmful, one would need a good cerfticiation to be able to get almost any job that isn't purely service based.

I am in Australia.

And I have to wonder what do you call an unacceptable level of employment ? no employment, no job ? I think it is easy to get caught up in our own little world and think that the sky is falling. Everything is relative.

Why is it engineering in particular that is outsourced ? why not accounting, administration, how do you outsource desktop support ? network administration ?

I still find it strange you are turning people away from engineering at a time when starting salaries and entry level vacancies are at a pretty big high.

[thinkies]

I agree with Rufus. Nebuqalia, you're being really 'negative' concerning jobs related to engineering/physicist. Job prospects for engineers aren't 'that' bad...

[nebuqalia]

What I'm trying to say here, Rufus, is that getting an EE degree for positions similar to call centers is an over kill. That is, of course it would 'hurt' to spend 4 years to get an EE, and then compete for positions in a call center.


And I have to wonder what do you call an unacceptable level of employment ? no employment, no job ? I think it is easy to get caught up in our own little world and think that the sky is falling. Everything is relative.

I would like to emphasize that my opinions are not based on some negative perspective. They are based on published data and statistics. I will bring you some of these later on to discuss it further.


Why is it engineering in particular that is outsourced ? why not accounting, administration, how do you outsource desktop support ? network administration ?

Good question. The reason is, as I said before, that engineering work in many organizations is considered a commodity. In other words, it is typically at lower positions in the human resources chain. For example, in many companies that hire engineers, most engineers are promoted by transferring them into management, administration, or marketing positions. That is, these positions are more important. They are not commodities. And this is the reason they can not be outsourced.


I still find it strange you are turning people away from engineering at a time when starting salaries and entry level vacancies are at a pretty big high.

If there are any chemical or petroleum engineers on this forum, they will answer you better than me! These high paying positions are cyclical. Such positions are usually found in industries related to oil, gas, chemicals, etc. It is true that engineers in these fields could be hired for a relatively higher salary (compared to other engineers), but they have the negative effect of a very probably layoff. This happened many times in companies working on, or somehow related to, the oil and gas industry. Among many other factors, when oil prices go high, companies sometime do cost efficiency eliminations and the petroleum engineers working on difficult-to-reach wells are layoffed. When the prices go down, they hire them back. And the cycle repeats. As for job security, forget about it!

The major point that I'm trying to convey here is job security. Engineering no longer have job security. Factors such as outsourcing, restructuring, etc. are contributing to this lack of security. A bit extreme, but related, example on this: would you encourage someone to be a stunt performer? stunt actors do get paid very high salaries but risk their lives for that.

Interesting discussion guys. I really want to hear more opinions on this.

[RufusDawes]

Ah my mistake with the call centre bit. The point I was trying to make was that if the scenario you describe is to occur or is occuring, what will happen is that the industries most likely to employ engineers are going to include positions related to industries that cannot be outsourced and that would not typically employ an engineer. This will be because of the scarcities of jobs and the over supply of candidates.

For example the tech support at a call centre. They won't advertise for an electronic/electrical engineer but they will get 700 applicants for the one job.

Now who am I going to hire ? Some guy with a cert III in networking ? or the bloke with the engineering degree ? I've got 700 pieces of paper infront of me and I need to discriminate. I know full well the condition of the employment market.

I'd hire the EE 9/10 will be a hell of a lot smarter and more dedicated. I haven't met a single engineering grad who wasn't reasonably sharp and switched on.

I understand business cycles, but the thing you seem to be over looking is that the first to be laid off are the people who are supporting a core business function. A mine can't run without engineers, but it can cut down on its admin, its HR can service multiple branches, the receptionist can ecome a mail clerk. Does the HR and recruiting field have any high job security ? are you honestly trying to suggest a young person with strong mathematical ability would be better getting a degree in HR ?

You are over looking the power of an engineering degree, it really does distinguish you from other graduates in the skills that you develop.

Point I am trying to make in a round about way is that no one has any job security these days, unless you're an accountant...or a school teacher.

Point I am trying to make is that no one really has it rosy. And I think where I come from, might be different to you (I live in Australia) an engineering degree is up there with the most powerful. With exception of medical degrees and trade certificates.

The fields you describe, HR, accounting, marketing are extremely competitive to my knowledge. Graduating engineers do not face the same level of competitiveness.

Then there is the benefit of the education. Hell, I want to know what you know and it is a lot more difficult to self teach. I mean if you've got the opportunity to get an engineering education, why not ? think of all your family members through history for which that would have been an impossibility. Again, my view will be different because I come from a wealthy country, its a question of quality of life in a major way but not a question of life and death. As I have heard it can be in the USA.

My point, if I have one seems all I have really done is asked you a question and then argue with you about the answer, I guess I am just a little shocked.

I don't know, what do you think is better ? a truck driver or a man with an electrical engineering degree ?

[Serbian.matematika]

RufusDawes, nothing beats being an Electrical Engineer.

[nebuqalia]

Guys, a more thorough discussion is being carried on another thread (Physics in 10 years?) http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=220618

[KennyCivE]

True, but you CAN ship over foreign engineers to do the on-site stuff for reasonable time and money. That this doesn't happen in the United States (and other western countries) has more to do with accreditation requirements and other regulations than any fundamental aspect of the work. But it's very much commonplace for countries in the developing world to ship in foreign (usually Western) engineers when they want to build a skysraper or big bridge or dam.

Would it be worth it to ship workers to the U.S? The benefit of utilizing engineers in India is the low cost, and that's a result of the low cost of living in the area. When they're in the U.S., that's no longer the case.

It's definitely possible to outsource aspects of civil engineering overseas, and I hear it is being done today on some projects. These have been low-level work though, such as making CAD drawings.

If you're really concerned about job security in the civil engineering field, you can always fall back to government jobs. In fact, 1/3 of civil engineers are currently employed by municipal, state, or the federal government in the United States, and if these jobs get outsourced, then this country is in trouble.

Accreditation is something that will have to magically disappear in order for outsourcing to heavily impact the civil engineering field. And the only way professional engineering licensure requirements can even be relaxed is through the state government. What politician would want to do something that would hurt the local economy?

Another thing to consider is that there is an overabundance of work in India and China right now. That will keep them busy over there for quite a while. If anything, you may see more American companies taking part in complex projects overseas (with lower level working being outsourced). A company that I used to work for took on a few projects in India (partnered with a local Indian firm).

[Hydrargyrum]

RufusDawes, nothing beats being an Electrical Engineer.

What's so great about EE? I hear it requires a lot of complex analysis, but what are the benefits

[nebuqalia]

What's so great about EE? I hear it requires a lot of complex analysis, but what are the benefits

In the past, EE provided you with jobs involving cutting-edge information and communication technologies. Now, the majority of EE work is offshored to India and China. Recently, this has included advanced R&D centers too.

As for the academic benefits, EE boils down to: getting very comfortable with the application of Fourier transforms on signals. The longer version of the above statment? DSP (Digital Signal Processing), Radars, Automatic Control Systems, RF Circuits, Filters, Satellite Communication, Wireless Communication, etc.

[RufusDawes]

Well if thats the case engineers should unionise their asses and demand what they deserve.
Without you guys this country would fall apart. Hell without you guys we wouldn't have undustry. People don't have nearly enough respect for technical people, tradesmen included.

But the won't hesistate to worship and I - banker.

If this is the case engineers need to toughen up.

[perfectchaos180]

ok guys I need some help. I am great at math. I am taking pretty much VERY advanced physics classes and math classes right now (in high school, basically higher than AP level) and I am doing fine. I also loved the technical drawing courses at my high school I love math, physics is my favorite subject and I am pretty sure I want to go into engineering. I love learning about how everyday things around us work and engineering seems like exactly what I want to do as a career. The only problem is that sometimes in my physics classes we are told to build something out of other things. I have a hard time thinking of ways I can build something that works. For instance we built a Rube Goldberg machine, the rest of my group thought of most of the ideas, I just couldn't think of anything. This is a key part of being an engineer, and just tell me, does it get better with practice?

[Hydrargyrum]

When I can't think of things, i look at pictures for ideas

[Hydrargyrum]

Would playing chess help you think like an engineer?

[TVP45]

ok guys I need some help. I am great at math. I am taking pretty much VERY advanced physics classes and math classes right now (in high school, basically higher than AP level) and I am doing fine. I also loved the technical drawing courses at my high school I love math, physics is my favorite subject and I am pretty sure I want to go into engineering. I love learning about how everyday things around us work and engineering seems like exactly what I want to do as a career. The only problem is that sometimes in my physics classes we are told to build something out of other things. I have a hard time thinking of ways I can build something that works. For instance we built a Rube Goldberg machine, the rest of my group thought of most of the ideas, I just couldn't think of anything. This is a key part of being an engineer, and just tell me, does it get better with practice?

Actually, much of what engineers build are made up of pieces and subassemblies that have been used before. It would be very unusual to start from scratch whether you design a bridge or a can opener. So, engineers accumulate "similar to" files that show how older models were built and sometimes how competitor's models were built. In addition, there are some standard books that show a lot of clever ideas. Finally, design engineers rely quite a bit on technical sales people to assist in selecting solutions.

From my perspective, the key question would be whether you are stymied because, for example, you don't know how to use bearings (that can be learned) or because you don't understand why bearings are needed (that's a fatal flaw).

Take a self inventory. What kinds of things have you worked with on your own? Have you rebuilt a go-kart. Do you have a Ham radio license? Do you like woodwork? Have you written a LIST program to translate AutoCad drawings into standard layers and colors? Have you built a desktop from components? If you have any experience like this, you probably have the ability to learn the design stuff. If you don't, you should look at some of the more theoretical fields such as Computational Fluid Dynamics or FEA or perhaps electromagnetics.

[TVP45]

Well if thats the case engineers should unionise their asses and demand what they deserve.
Without you guys this country would fall apart. Hell without you guys we wouldn't have undustry. People don't have nearly enough respect for technical people, tradesmen included.

But the won't hesistate to worship and I - banker.

If this is the case engineers need to toughen up.

A little background. Though I think Nebuqalia is a little blunt, his basic premises are true for at least the bottom quartile of American engineers and possibly the bottom two quartiles. Engineering, particularly EE, has been cyclical. In the late 70s, an EE named Irwin Feerst tried to unionize EEs and ultimately failed. But, he used to open his organizing speeches with the joke: What do you call a 40 year old engineer? Hey, cabbie!

I don't recommend against entering engineering, but I do caution that there is no longer any job security except the knowledge and skills you carry with you. And, I point out that, probably within the next thirty years, Chinese and Indian engineers will eat our lunch unless we become globally competitive. And, average salaries will fall significantly.

[RufusDawes]

For me personally,

I really just think I might be too old. I'd give it a shot if I were a bit younger, but it would be horrible to work my *** off for four years, as it would be a struggle for me to graduate only to be denied a job because of my age ( 29 years ).

The possibility that I don't have the raw ability to get through the degree which could lead to 2 or 3 years of failing. I think it all just depends on what attitude employers have to late career starters, I don't think it is a terribly positive one in Engineering in particular. If I weren't in my mid 20's I would do it, but I am posting this because I really don't understand how it works out there.

[TVP45]

IMHO, in the US, late starters have to sell the employer on why they started late. If you've been working as a draftsman and going to engineering school at nights and weekends, that's a plausible story. But, if you've been surfing the great beaches and finally decided you want to earn money, that's a problem.

[RufusDawes]

IMHO, in the US, late starters have to sell the employer on why they started late. If you've been working as a draftsman and going to engineering school at nights and weekends, that's a plausible story. But, if you've been surfing the great beaches and finally decided you want to earn money, that's a problem.

I've always been working but nothing related to Engineering and I went to College, but not for Engineering. I enrolled in Engineering but never started classes because I didn't think I was smart enough but I regret having that attitude now. I am not from the USA I am from Australia. I am 24 at the moment.

[TVP45]

I've always been working but nothing related to Engineering and I went to College, but not for Engineering. I enrolled in Engineering but never started classes because I didn't think I was smart enough but I regret having that attitude now. I am not from the USA I am from Australia. I am 24 at the moment.

OK, so when the interviewer asks you why you changed careers, what will you say?

[RufusDawes]

OK, so when the interviewer asks you why you changed careers, what will you say?

Hypothetically speaking If I am able to get a BE I don't understand how an employer could rightfully question my motivation if not on superficial grounds. I understand that even for the most gifted of students they are difficult to obtain.

I can't think of a good answer other than to say the truth which is that I am interested in the science behind how machinery operates as I assume completion would demonstrate.

[TVP45]

Hypothetically speaking If I am able to get a BE I don't understand how an employer could rightfully question my motivation if not on superficial grounds. I understand that even for the most gifted of students they are difficult to obtain.

I can't think of a good answer other than to say the truth which is that I am interested in the science behind how machinery operates as I assume completion would demonstrate.

So, I don't know Australian law, but in the US, that is a legal question and one you almost certainly will be asked. I suspect that you will need to answer it in a straightforward, somewhat humble manner. Remember that interviewers really are interested in 3 things: Can you do the job? Will you do the job? Will you be trustworthy?

You have asked whether you will be able to overcome being a late starter and I have now popped the question. To be blunt, your answer would not convince me to hire you. Can you tell me why you really, really, really want to be an engineer and why you took a detour on the way to your lifelong dream and how the lessons that taught you will make you the most loyal employee I've ever seen?

[RufusDawes]

Thanks a lot for the honesty it is appreciated.

Basically I just want to learn the mathematics and physics, engineering is very powerful. Or maybe I just like the idea of liking maths and physics, hard to tell sometimes.

Why now ? I don't know... I just mustered a little bit more confidence as I got older and thought why not give it a shot ? Not like I had anyone in school tapping me on the shoulder saying ' how about you do engineering ? ' I didn't really know what it was until the end of school when we learned calculus. It was really something I got introduced to slowly and have taken an interest in gradually.


I don't know kind of tired right now.

[RufusDawes]

What would an employer want to hear ? I know why I want to do EE and pretty much stems down to liking math.


What should I be saying ? I have this problem with all job interviews for anything.

[TVP45]

It's a lot like asking someone to marry you. It's all about her and why she's your first choice and how you feel so great just being near her.

So, in the case of an engineering job, at least one of the interviewers will be an engineer; so you don't want even a hint that this is your second choice. Rather, you can tell how you were always interested in math and science and how things work and so on, but went into (whatever you do) because of family presuures, or because your uncle that you like so much did that, or because your friends all did that, or whatever reason you had. BUT, it's not that you thought you weren't smart enough to do engineering or that you didn't think it was a great career but that you just hadn't known any engineers and didn't know how much you would like it until you were already a 3rd year student in (?) and you thought it very important not to be a quitter, so you finished what you'd started. Now that you've given that a decent effort and amount of time, and have suceeded at it (I hope you have), you feel like you can follow your dream and become an engineer. Or, something like that. Be positive, never negative. Don't give the interviewers any reason to reject you.

[KennyCivE]

I'm trying to figure out how an employer would know your age, and that this is a second career choice. It's illegal for them to ask for it at any point during the interview process (at least that's the case in the U.S.). Do you actually look that much older at age 24? How would the interviewer know you changed careers? Your resume doesn't have to list out all the jobs that you've had, just recent relevant experience.

[elephantorz]

Ok guys, I read some of your replies, and honestly, so far this has resounded in me:

"i'm a student in physics and chemical engineering. if you find everything interesting - go for this mix."

I do, but not everything, I LOVE physics, I mean I love it, I could hate it during test-week in Physics II (calc-based) but I always went back to loving it. Thing is, I don't just want to do physics, I want to make a difference, not even because I "want to be remembered" but because I want to be part of doing something beneficial for the world, if not for the world at least for people.

I like working in groups, actually, a lot, I am really good at it (for anyone who knows about this I am an INTP/J, with a high J percentage) but in college a lot of people just didn't want to work, I always got stuck with the lazy-bums and I ended up having to do a lot of the work (if you haven't figured it out by now I am female).

Is that really how it is in the real world? I am specifically interested in CS, maybe computer engineering and physical models, how hard is it to get in that discipline? I know I want to double major, I really like outerspace, and I know I have to learn as much math as I can, and I only want to do that just so I can understand physics.

Any thoughts?

[RufusDawes]

I'm trying to figure out how an employer would know your age, and that this is a second career choice. It's illegal for them to ask for it at any point during the interview process (at least that's the case in the U.S.). Do you actually look that much older at age 24? How would the interviewer know you changed careers? Your resume doesn't have to list out all the jobs that you've had, just recent relevant experience.

Yes I look a fair bit older and I would be 29 when I graduate. Considering how much my mind has already decayed due to inactivity it would be a challenge to get through the degree. I think at that age it is fair call to question my motivation.

[RufusDawes]

Ok guys, I read some of your replies, and honestly, so far this has resounded in me:

"i'm a student in physics and chemical engineering. if you find everything interesting - go for this mix."

I do, but not everything, I LOVE physics, I mean I love it, I could hate it during test-week in Physics II (calc-based) but I always went back to loving it. Thing is, I don't just want to do physics, I want to make a difference, not even because I "want to be remembered" but because I want to be part of doing something beneficial for the world, if not for the world at least for people.

I like working in groups, actually, a lot, I am really good at it (for anyone who knows about this I am an INTP/J, with a high J percentage) but in college a lot of people just didn't want to work, I always got stuck with the lazy-bums and I ended up having to do a lot of the work (if you haven't figured it out by now I am female).

Is that really how it is in the real world? I am specifically interested in CS, maybe computer engineering and physical models, how hard is it to get in that discipline? I know I want to double major, I really like outerspace, and I know I have to learn as much math as I can, and I only want to do that just so I can understand physics.

Any thoughts?

Personally If I had my time over again I would take a double degee (major ?) of science and engingeering. Vanilla discipline, mechanical, electrical or civil.

One of the following.

electrical/computer science.

mechanical/microbiology

civil engineering/geology -- > mining big money $$$.

I'd recommend putting in that hard yards and getting a double major electrical eng./comsci if that is what you are interested while you are young. The reason is that in my country there are many more opportunities for the vanilla contruction or mining related disciplines than there are more tech and computer orientated engineering.

Can't really speak for the USA.

[Oki_180sx]

Ahhh I need some help determining what i should do.

right now I'm enrolled in Texas A&M as a civil engineer and if i stay an engineer, i will be transferring to mechanical engineering. In a month I will be done with my first semester. It wasn't particularly hard but I really having doubts about doing this for the rest of my life.

Lets see. I love math. Absolutely love doing it. And I like to take things apart to see how they work. I was looking at salaries for mech engineers and wikipedia said they make about $50000 annually for those with a BA degree. Now that is still a good bit of money (I'm not greedy) but it seems everyone was telling me that they made more than that. Now money isn't everything but it sure is a lot.

My other option that intrigues me is becoming a surgeon. Its very hands on and I still get to learn about how things work. It would just be the human body instead of something mechanical. The bureau of labor statistics pegged surgeons making a mean of ~180,000. This is significantly more money. And the American College of Surgeons says they make 249,700 to $336,000. The only problem is the 13 years I'd spend in training as opposed to 4 as a mech eng.

So what do you all think?

[rodigee]

Whoa Oki... whoa.

I'm a Junior at A&M, and I was in your EXACT situation two years ago, a freshman civil engineer intrigued by math and conflicted about what I wanted to do. A few words:

1) Don't feel like you have to make any sort of decision on this right now. It's only your first semester of freshman year! If you were a junior it'd be freak out time, but you're not and you have plenty of time to figure things out.

Actually, I'd reccomend giving engineering at least three semesters to see if it grows on you. The first two semesters are just plain, utter garbage; weed out classes designed to test your will. Real engineering classes start happening in your third semester so once you've had those you'll have a better idea of how you'll want to procede.

2) If you're considering math take Math 220 next semester for a dose of real math.

3) Have you considered Biomedical Engineering? It sounds right up your alley, and I think we have a pretty decent program for it.

[TVP45]

Yes I look a fair bit older and I would be 29 when I graduate. Considering how much my mind has already decayed due to inactivity it would be a challenge to get through the degree. I think at that age it is fair call to question my motivation.

Some time back, I had a summer intern who had served 8 years in the Army and then gone to college for a BSME. He had little trouble getting a job, BUT he was good at selling his experience and maturity as positives rather than obstacles to be overcome. You should be able to do this if it's something you really want. And, most schools have support programs to help older students get back into good study habits.

[elephantorz]

Personally If I had my time over again I would take a double degee (major ?) of science and engingeering. Vanilla discipline, mechanical, electrical or civil.

One of the following.

electrical/computer science.

mechanical/microbiology

civil engineering/geology -- > mining big money $$$.

I'd recommend putting in that hard yards and getting a double major electrical eng./comsci if that is what you are interested while you are young. The reason is that in my country there are many more opportunities for the vanilla contruction or mining related disciplines than there are more tech and computer orientated engineering.

Can't really speak for the USA.

I don't really like EE, so CE seems very plausible, however, they have a major here called Engineering Physics (I'm in CO, USA), and also CS, so that seems to be up my alley.

I don't really care about the money so much, of course I want a stable job, I just want to be happy with what I choose. I am still really interested in physical models since I seem to be good at systems.

[sir robert]

SOS i need help here people.
am doing heavy equipments repairs (technician level) i really like learning about how things work,and i have fallen in love with physics and maths, its going to take me three years to only get an advanced certificate, i trying to encourage myself by saying even the smallest building started with the laying of the first stones.

i want to with car designing firms,aerospace,staff like that you know.i want to make better engines with maximum with work efficiency becuase thats what am all about making things btter.
my question is am i going the right way?
is there anywhere in africa where there offering a degree course in this same field?

[RufusDawes]

I don't really like EE, so CE seems very plausible, however, they have a major here called Engineering Physics (I'm in CO, USA), and also CS, so that seems to be up my alley.

I don't really care about the money so much, of course I want a stable job, I just want to be happy with what I choose. I am still really interested in physical models since I seem to be good at systems.

When you say a stable job and to be happy what do you mean ? I could find a stable job at the pub making pizzas and I would be happy, I enjoy making pizzas. However, that is not going to provide the opportunity to do a lot of things including buying a house. So I will need to look for something arguably less fun due to stress that pays a lot more money.

[elephantorz]

When you say a stable job and to be happy what do you mean ? I could find a stable job at the pub making pizzas and I would be happy, I enjoy making pizzas. However, that is not going to provide the opportunity to do a lot of things including buying a house. So I will need to look for something arguably less fun due to stress that pays a lot more money.

I wouldn't be happy making pizzas.

If you can make pizzas and be happy then more power to ya, although by what you said up there you seem to imply you wouldn't be because you wouldn't be able to buy a house.

I meant, however, that I want to be happy with what I do, I need a constant set of challenges for my mind, otherwise I become depressed and downright unhappy, I am fully aware not a lot of people are like this, but I am, and therefore I need to use my mind or I will go crazy.

Or just be unhappy, or both.

Of course money is important, but like I said, it's important enough but it is also not my uber top priority, I'm gonna shoot for two for one, meaning stable enough job monetarily wise that I will be able to live comfortably but also something I like to do most of the time, not always, that's impossible.

[sir robert]

thanks alot man but there is another problem, i was just from writing my engineering math exams i didnt do very well, i would love to wake up in da nite to study but i enjoy it more when i study before going to sleep. what should i do to improve my grades? any study plan that you can suggest?

[jesuslovesu]

Can any electrical engineering students give me an idea of what course I should take here?

I can choose between Electric Circuits 1 and Microelectronic Devices.
Which should I choose first? I satisfy all the prereqs but I don't know which one to choose. Honestly, I would probably be more interested in microelectronic devices because it seems to be related more to physics rather than just messing around with circuits, but if someone with some experience can give me some advice.
Here are the descriptions
340 Electronic Circuits I. I, II, SS; 3 cr (P-I). A first course in modeling, characterization, and application of semiconductor devices and integrated circuits. Development of appropriate models for circuit-level behavior of diodes, bi-polar and field effect transistors, and non-ideal op-amps. Application in analysis and design of linear amplifiers. Frequency domain characterizaion of transistor circuits. P: ECE 230.

335 Microelectronic Devices. I, II; 3 cr (P-E). Characteristics of semiconductors; study of physical mechanisms and circuit modeling of solid state electronic and photonic devices; principles of microelectronic processing and examples of integrated circuits. P: ECE 220 & 230.

[ytoruno]

340: Electronic Circuits seems like its necesary for other circuit courses dealing with electronics. It introduces you to diodes and transistors, which are some of the most important topics in electronics. Also, the description reads " A first course..." shouldn't This course be a pre req to most other EE courses? In any case, it seems like Electronic Circuits I is the sensible choice.

[Lacero]

Hello, What does anyone think about a major in Software engineering with a minor in EE vs a minor in Financial mathematics / finance&stats.

I really don't know what I want to do, so I want to keep as many doors open as possible although I would rather have a job in finance.

I am currently MechEng but don't like it, so i'm looking for an alternative

[j450n]

Yes I look a fair bit older and I would be 29 when I graduate. Considering how much my mind has already decayed due to inactivity it would be a challenge to get through the degree. I think at that age it is fair call to question my motivation.

I am currently 33 years old and have been taking classes at night to pursue my BSEE. I am going full time in the fall and gave my current employer six months notice. I am giving up significant income in this pursuit. My projection has me finishing my BSEE in approximately 3 years. I will be 36 years old and hopefully looking at graduate school.

I will not let the fact that I didn't do this when I was 18-23 stop me from doing it when I am in my 30's. If you are unsure of your motivation you'll likely not even get the opportunity to defend it to a hiring manager.

Reality says people will talk and judge, that the road was unusual, that on some level your opportunities have diminished due to your chosen route. However, I have faced adversity in the past and learned that it is better to overcome it rather than let it paralyze you.

Good luck,

jason

[RufusDawes]

I have no idea how an employer is going to react to a 29 year or older graduate. They might just think it is unusual and leave it at that or they might think different = bad = don't hire. Australian employers tend to be less brutal than the Americans, but also less liberal with a lot of things.
There comes a point where facing adversity turns into futility.

[TVP45]

I have no idea how an employer is going to react to a 29 year or older graduate. They might just think it is unusual and leave it at that or they might think different = bad = don't hire. Australian employers tend to be less brutal than the Americans, but also less liberal with a lot of things.
There comes a point where facing adversity turns into futility.

Look, I once hired a 67 year old engineer who was at least 40 years away from the education and experience that I needed. Other than his post-prandial naps, he worked out fine. He wanted to do the work, he was able to do the work, he was honest about his "rusty" skills, and he was willing to accept a salary that matched his productivity. The question I have for you is whether engineering is what you WANT. If it really is, do it.

But, don't take my word for it. Call up a few engineering managers and ask to interview them over lunch (your treat, of course, and make it a decent restaurant). Lay it out and ask their opinion.

[SuperStringboy]

I am thinking to choose aerospace eng? How is it as career?

[xCanx]

Hey guys! Well I was reading through this thread and found the posts quite interesting.

I have a question for you all, I am planning to go into Electrical Engineering and in Ontario there a few school that also offer a program called Electrical Engineering and Management. I have always been interested in business as well, and thought this program would be perfect for me. But one of my friends said I should get a BSEE first then do a MBA because it might be too hard. What do you guys think?

[aestas]

I like building things and finding out why they work/making them work better very interesting. I'd love to go into the design aspect, and maybe work with airplane structure or something like that. Do I have a misconception about engineering? Is this what engineers do? Or is this more of an engineering technician's job? I'm kinda scared that I'm walking into something that is very difficult and isn't really something I thought I signed up for.

Unlike most people on the forum, I'm not gifted in math and physics, nor am I absolutely fascinated by it. Frankly, nothing at school right now is particularly fascinating (taking Bio, Chem, English and History this semester). But people often mistake my lack of interest for hatred, and it's not like I hate math or physics, I just see them right now as a means to an end. Judging on ability alone, I'm about average in high school math and physics, but now that I have a goal in mind, I think I can do better. I started off doing maths as a chore (and very poorly at that), because I really had no career goal in mind and I was just mindlessly going through my grade 11 year.

I'm scared to death that even if I do try my hardest (haven't yet at high school) that I won't be able to make it. Should I go into engineering if I'm worried it might be too hard for me?

[Feldoh]

How many people change their engineering discipline in the process of obtaining a bachelors? Right now I'm enrolled in mechanical, but I'm also interested in EE, and ChemE so I'm not sure which path I'll choose down the road.

Anyone else have this problem?

[Shukie]

Hoping to graduate as an engeer in a few years.

[Andrei001]

Hi All

I should start by introducing my self since this is my first post on this forum. My name is Andrei and I found out about this forum randomly. This particular thread caught my attention immediately. Throughout high school I found physics and biology to be my top subjects. I wasn’t exceptional at maths and chemistry.
After high school I took one year off and worked for a while and also travelled.
During this period I reflected on my career prospects and I decided to go ahead and start a Diploma of Engineering (1 year course) in Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Design. This course introduced me to Mechanical and Electrical engineering principles. I put some extra effort while studying and for the first time calculus and physics started to make sens to me. I currently work as a sales engineer in the HVAC industry and I enjoy working in this field. I am now seriously considering to further my studies. I like a lot of the aspects of mechanical engineering particularly the variety of areas you can work in. I would like to stick with building services though. I intend to commence uni studies early next year in Australia.
Any thoughts and/or suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks

[woodman 08]

I am a year 12 student currently deciding on a uni course and was leaning towards Civil engineering. that info helps heaps sounds like i'd be very well suited to it... Cheers

[Secretblend]

Hello all, I've been reading this thread. It has been very interesting reading. After reading this thread, I decided to sign up so that I could learn more about my planned career.

I have been wondering about one thing. I am wondering how being deaf and being an areospace engineering would work? I intend to see it through regardless what happens and how hard it might be. I was just wondering how you guys would see it.

[Secretblend]

I'm surprised nobody has answered my post. Is it cause of being afraid of offending me? If so, don't be. I asked cause I am curious and would like to know what to expect.

[TVP45]

I worked closely with a profoundly deaf mechanical engineer. He had some problems, but nothing really career-threatening. Most decent companies will provide TTY phones, lights on the phone ringer, and other adaptive equipment as requested. Most aerospace firms are fairly decent folks and they generally have government-imposed requirements for EEO policies. You'll need a thick skin for the "under-the-table" crap you'll have to take from a few of your coworkers, but you surely know some sign profanity by now. You should do just fine.

[Secretblend]

I worked closely with a profoundly deaf mechanical engineer. He had some problems, but nothing really career-threatening. Most decent companies will provide TTY phones, lights on the phone ringer, and other adaptive equipment as requested. Most aerospace firms are fairly decent folks and they generally have government-imposed requirements for EEO policies. You'll need a thick skin for the "under-the-table" crap you'll have to take from a few of your coworkers, but you surely know some sign profanity by now. You should do just fine.

Thanks for the reply. It also made me laugh. I do know few signs I could use if I decide to.

As for your co-worker, How did he keep up in the meetings if he was in one?

Would it be a big deal if I am unable to keep up in meetings? How often are those meetings. Just stuff like that. I am not sure how the work enviroment is for engineering yet. Those are things that I'm interesting in learning more about. Do they record everything that happens at meetings that I could read to make sure that I did not miss anything that I might need to know?

Stuff like that is what I would like to know more about.

[TVP45]

Thanks for the reply. It also made me laugh. I do know few signs I could use if I decide to.

As for your co-worker, How did he keep up in the meetings if he was in one?

Would it be a big deal if I am unable to keep up in meetings? How often are those meetings. Just stuff like that. I am not sure how the work enviroment is for engineering yet. Those are things that I'm interesting in learning more about. Do they record everything that happens at meetings that I could read to make sure that I did not miss anything that I might need to know?

Stuff like that is what I would like to know more about.

Engineers spend a lot of time in meetings (estimated 25%), but much of the material will be provided on handouts and power-point slides. If it's a problem, you can request closed captioning. Are you in the US? ADA stipulates reasonable accomodation. Some companies will discriminate against you in hiring and/or in career promotions. Try to avoid those guys; look at federal civil service, NASA for example, or academic institutions, Univ of Texas at Austin e.g.

You can always focus your career on areas where hearing is less important, for example, CFD. Heck, half those people don't even seem to speak any known language!

Are you a member of SHHH? Here's a link that you might look at. Many of these folks might be of some assistance. The SHHH president a coupla years ago was a PhD engineer.

Oh, one more thing. I don't know how militant you might be about deaf culture, but you'll probably need to hide that (if you are) for the first several years.
http://www.shhh.org/

[TAHK15]

Hi. I've read most of the thread and I didn't find anything about mining engineering. I feel that mining engineering fits me, but Im not sure about what exactly they do. I did a research through google, but still didn't find anything specific. I dont know if this topic is dead or not, but I would really appreciate someone telling me what exactly mining engineers do. Thanks alot.)

[Feldoh]

Hi. I've read most of the thread and I didn't find anything about mining engineering. I feel that mining engineering fits me, but Im not sure about what exactly they do. I did a research through google, but still didn't find anything specific. I dont know if this topic is dead or not, but I would really appreciate someone telling me what exactly mining engineers do. Thanks alot.)

Well why do you think mining engineering fits you?

[TAHK15]

I think it fits me by what I know about it, but I don't know much about it. thats why I'm asking for someone who knows about mining engineering to tell me about it. Thx alot to anyone who replys)

[Andrei001]

My uncle is a mining engineer and he specialises in underground blasts. So he spends a lot of time with explosives and he also travels quite a bit. This is the sort of job that will keep you away from you family and friends for weeks at a time. He is mid 40 now and he steel enjoys it. If you got time try some work experience and get the right information before you commit yourself to study in the field.

Hope this helps

[TAHK15]

Thank you very much for reply, that helped)

[Paulo Serrano]

Okay, I'm back after all this time (I asked a question long ago).

It's been a while and now and I'm going to start actually studying engineering next year. I have narrowed it down to two of the courses that are available in the school I'm planning on going to:

mechanic engineering
mechatronic engineering


I know a couple of you people here don't "believe" in mechatronic engineering, but if it's a course offered at the university I'm going to then obviously it's an actual kind of engineering. I want to be a robotics engineer, so I'm wondering which I should take. Naturally it should be mechatronic as it is the three necessary fields of robotics into one, but I'm looking for job openings for mechatronic engineers and I can't find that many.

Fyi, the University is in Brazil, but I'm probably going to look for work in Europe after I graduate.

[ice109]

Ok ive been reading this post because ive been seriously considering engineering. I am a sophmore in college and currently my major is math ed but i decided i dont want to be stuck with an Ed degree.

Here is my situation I really like math, and i think science is interesting but recently ive been shying away from them because i high school its (math) gotten harder ie trig. In high school in every science class i took i always got a As except in Chemistry I got a B- (barely). Now im in college and i was an english major because it was real easy to me but it was soooo boring so i switched to math. I was thinking architecture becuase i used to love drawing, (and im into all forms of art) but i realize i wont be designing great buildings all the time like the sydney aquarium. So somebody talked to me about engineering (more practical), and now im considering it. My grandma said i would be another like another (uncle quinton) who is an electrical engineer because i would always try to fix things.
Do i sound like engineering material? If so what type? im really into thinking of new inventions like hover boards or gadgets from like james bond lol.

[smatt_31]

Hello all,
My name is Matt. I am an older student as well as many that I have read about. Chemical engineering is what I am studying. This fall I should be starting pro school at OSU. The big question that I keep asking myself is do I want to switch to straight chemistry or continue with the engineering. I love chemistry and would like to continue working with it closely. I dont want to be stuck in a job designing how much cleaning agent needs to flow into a vat of wood pulp to make paper. I guess what I want to know is how much education is necessary before I can get a chance at some research?

Thanks

[jaypooner]

Okay, I am a freshman in college, and I was on the course of environmental engineering. After some thinking, I realized that this wasnt for me because I was always interested in alternative energy like solar, wind, nuclear, and all that stuff, and I also like stuff like transportation systems and mass transit so I changed my course towards electrical engineering. Was this the right decision or should I have changed to mechanical engineering?

For some background info, physics is very tough for me. It is very hard to figure that stuff out, but i find math very easy. It is just very natural for me to put the time into math more than physics. Also, I am interested in electronics, and once looked into the Informatics major but thought otherwise.

[faitswulff]

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

Job statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics says that engineering isn't going away anytime soon. Check out biomedical and petroleum engineer predictions.

Also, like nebuqalia said, engineers have two things going for them: mathematical aptitude and dedication. You can basically take these two traits and go into anything you want.

One more thing that wasn't mentioned is going straight into entrepreneurship. If you can solve problems, and you have the aforementioned traits, you can sell those solutions. Computer Science generally has this easier in terms of R&D, though. Yes, I'm looking at you, Google, Youtube, Microsoft...

It's a lot riskier, but you're not "working for the man" =P

[RufusDawes]

What do you think of Civil Engineering ? I have gathered some very negative opinions that go as far as to say it is not real engineering and that it is more boring than accounting. Also that it has very limited applications.

[jesuslovesu]

Hey guys, I will most likely have the opportunity to get an internship or co-op at my father's place of work. Unfortunately, what the engineers do there has nothing to do with what I would actually like to do. My question is would this affect me negatively if I were to get an internship in a field that I don't want to actually work in once I graduate?

I am majoring in EE, the work would probably be in manufacturing engineering (it's a machine company which employs EE to design the electrical systems, although I'm not positive as to what I would do exactly.)

My major interest in EE is physics related, I like electromagnetics and semiconductor manufacturing, unfortunately this internship wouldn't expose me to any of that. Could I still get a good job at a tech company if I were to take the internship?

[smarties]

Hi everyone

I am about to start my first year of engineering and would like to know if civil engineering is harder than electrical engineering in regards to the maths and physics work load? Which specialty offers better job prospects for the future?

Thanks in advance

[vandorin]

I just finished my freshman year of college as a psych major. Later on I had to take a physics course over the summer to help boost my hours from 24 to 28. But after taking that class, my whole view has changed. It was an hour and 50 min class, but my attention was always captured by the things we were doing. And one of the things that has really captured my attention is flight, planes/rockets(especially rockets!)/helicopters, and so I was thinking about changing my major from psychology to aeronautical engineering. I loved taking things apart as a kid and finding out how things work, and my skills in math/science aren't too shabby. Although physics was a tough class for me, I felt great after I learned how to solve the problems on my own properly, and was just hoping someone could let me know if Aeronautical engineering is a worthwhile field to venture into?

[Feldoh]

Aeronautical engineering is a worthwhile field. That's actually what I'm majoring in right now. Basically it's a specialization of MechE. As for career outlooks it's looking pretty good however you'd probably me more employable with a degree in mechanical engineering (sine it is a bit more broad), but if you know that you really want to work in the aeronautical/aerospace industry then I think that an aeronautical degree is what you want.

Although I guess you could say with most of the machines you described there are many engineering fields involved. Chemical and electrical engineers also work to design planes, rockets, and helicopters so there are a lot of options.

[RufusDawes]

Can anyone give me a run down on the engineering disciplines ?

I've heard Civil is boring and can be pointless. Is also the easiest and has a very wide applications, but is also very popular at the moment. Hence possibility of coming over supply.

You need to be a genius for electrical but you get jerked around by HR and become an expense that the company wants to cut. Also age discrimination will be the biggest problem here so at my age (almost 25) and with my limited ability electrical is not viable.

Mechanical looks good but there are not many jobs.

[Serbian.matematika]

Can anyone give me a run down on the engineering disciplines ?

I've heard Civil is boring and can be pointless. Is also the easiest and has a very wide applications, but is also very popular at the moment. Hence possibility of coming over supply.

You need to be a genius for electrical but you get jerked around by HR and become an expense that the company wants to cut. Also age discrimination will be the biggest problem here so at my age (almost 25) and with my limited ability electrical is not viable.

Mechanical looks good but there are not many jobs.

dear brother please don't think negatively about yourself, please don't let your prime age for studies go by, you are young very young. your age is the best!
my cousin started at the age of 31 and he is a well known prof eng in Ontario.

you are right about electrical it is very, very difficult program but it is doable and i am not just saying it because i am a relative of Nikola Tesla.

[KennyCivE]

I've heard Civil is boring and can be pointless. Is also the easiest and has a very wide applications, but is also very popular at the moment. Hence possibility of coming over supply.

You need to be a genius for electrical but you get jerked around by HR and become an expense that the company wants to cut. Also age discrimination will be the biggest problem here so at my age (almost 25) and with my limited ability electrical is not viable.

Mechanical looks good but there are not many jobs.

You probably heard from non-civil engineers. I got my bachelor's and master's degree in it, and I love it. Currently I'm working for a construction manager on a $1B+ project and it's pretty exciting.

Being the easiest is debatable.

I think it actually doesn't have that many applications. The knowledge you gain is pretty specific to building and designing structures, though the type of structure can be many different things.

It's beginning to get popular, but there is nowhere near any overabundance of civil engineers. At least in the United States, I always hear that there aren't enough quality civil engineers around, and that is the main reason companies haven't been able to grow.

Mechanical engineering is probably the broadest. You can go into a variety of fields from biomedical engineering to robotics to manufacturing.

[E. Blackadder]

Hi guys,

I'm currently doing my Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Melbourne, and am halfway through 2nd year. I've been disillusioned with the course for some time, because I've come to realise that while I still love designing and building things, I absolutely do not want to have to consider forces, dynamics and other physics-related stuff (which I admit isn't exactly a terribly mature attitude). I've also been getting rubbish grades throughout, so changing courses is definitely on my mind.

An uncle has suggested Industrial Design, while I'm thinking of switching to another stream of Engineering, or even starting fresh in a completely different degree, such as Architecture or Commerce.

Any suggestions on what course I should switch into?

[TVP45]

Hi guys,

I'm currently doing my Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Melbourne, and am halfway through 2nd year. I've been disillusioned with the course for some time, because I've come to realise that while I still love designing and building things, I absolutely do not want to have to consider forces, dynamics and other physics-related stuff (which I admit isn't exactly a terribly mature attitude). I've also been getting rubbish grades throughout, so changing courses is definitely on my mind.

An uncle has suggested Industrial Design, while I'm thinking of switching to another stream of Engineering, or even starting fresh in a completely different degree, such as Architecture or Commerce.

Any suggestions on what course I should switch into?

I've worked a fair bit with Industrial Designers and the successful ones have a very good understanding of physics. I would not suggest ID if you don't like that sort of thing. Perhap some other type of design?

[powerhawk]

Hello, I need some guidance here.

I'll be going into college with 70 credits or so, so I have decided I would like to double major. I want to choose two majors that will leave me with the most opportunities for grad school.

I was always interested in black holes, time, etc., as well as designing things as a kid. As I got older, I liked to read about theoretical physics, and I excelled in mathematics (800 SAT) and science (800 SAT II Physics). I'm leaning towards being a college professor, due to the freedom. I have always wanted a PhD, and couldn't see myself stopping after undergrad.

After reading and hearing that scientists and engineers have to compete for jobs, especially in academia, I'm a bit pushed away from the field. Even though that's where my interest lies, I don't want to end up struggling to find a job paying 50k a year after grad school, when I can end up making 110k+ as a business professor.

The fields I am considering in science are:
Physics
Astronomy/Astrophysics (goes back to childhood)
Engineering Physics
Pure Engineering
Aerospace/Aeronautical Engineering

The fields I am considering to complement my science degree are:
Accounting
Finance
Mathematics
Biophysics or something in medicine

Do any of these fields seem suited for me? Is there really a great deal of competition for jobs as an astrophysicist or engineer?

I'm very confused here, after hearing that this whole shortage of scientists and engineers is a myth.

I appreciate any help.

[roam]

I'm very confused here, after hearing that this whole shortage of scientists and engineers is a myth.


There is no shortage of scientists/engineers at all. Here, the amount of applicants is just tremendous...

Engineering studies are hard, to be honest. The best opportunities are often given to the top people. You should go for it only if you think you can do well ie. an honorary degree or something like that.

[Ian_Brooks]

Hopefully this thread has debunked the myth that a certain discipline is easier than another.

Don't choose a discipline because some one said it was easy - rather it is a discipline that you can see yourself enjoy studying for 4-5 years of your life. Now every degree will have material that you hate and material that you love.

Studying engineering is more of an appreciation for how that niche program came to be and to pass down problem solving techniques using the technology, knowledge and know-how around you.

Choose depending on interest and not on difficulty.

[Ian_Brooks]

I like building things and finding out why they work/making them work better very interesting. I'd love to go into the design aspect, and maybe work with airplane structure or something like that. Do I have a misconception about engineering? Is this what engineers do? Or is this more of an engineering technician's job? I'm kinda scared that I'm walking into something that is very difficult and isn't really something I thought I signed up for.

Unlike most people on the forum, I'm not gifted in math and physics, nor am I absolutely fascinated by it. Frankly, nothing at school right now is particularly fascinating (taking Bio, Chem, English and History this semester). But people often mistake my lack of interest for hatred, and it's not like I hate math or physics, I just see them right now as a means to an end. Judging on ability alone, I'm about average in high school math and physics, but now that I have a goal in mind, I think I can do better. I started off doing maths as a chore (and very poorly at that), because I really had no career goal in mind and I was just mindlessly going through my grade 11 year.

I'm scared to death that even if I do try my hardest (haven't yet at high school) that I won't be able to make it. Should I go into engineering if I'm worried it might be too hard for me?
Hey man,

Never start anything thinking you won't make it or you can't succeed. Failure is a minor setback but should never be an option.

If you live life knowing you can't fail - what would you accomplish?

With regard to your dilemma - identify your perceived problems and do what it takes to overcome them.

[RufusDawes]

There is no shortage of scientists/engineers at all. Here, the amount of applicants is just tremendous...

Engineering studies are hard, to be honest. The best opportunities are often given to the top people. You should go for it only if you think you can do well ie. an honorary degree or something like that.

Compared to what other professions are the number of applicants tremendous. I get the feeling everyone is struggling for a job and for Engineering at least would not be hurting you job prospects but increasing them drastically.

What area would you suggest would be an easy place to find a good job ?

[powerhawk]

Compared to what other professions are the number of applicants tremendous. I get the feeling everyone is struggling for a job and for Engineering at least would not be hurting you job prospects but increasing them drastically.

What area would you suggest would be an easy place to find a good job ?

I'm in the US. Isn't it different in Australia?

[RufusDawes]

I'm in the US. Isn't it different in Australia?

Similar, there are lots of jobs in mining and contruction mostly outside of melb and syd.

The USA is usually a fairly good model of what will happen in Australia,

[Monocles]

You should keep in mind that there is competition for almost EVERY interesting job. You also miss every shot that don't take, and you only live once. Also, in regards to being a scientist (specifically a physicist), it is often said that people who failed at physics make a lot more money than people who succeeded. Failed meaning that they couldn't get a physics-related job after completing their PhD (which actually isn't very common, from AIP statistics. The majority of physics PhDs work in physics). These people often go off to do financial work and make heaps more money than physicists do. Also, the overall unemployment rate for physics PhDs is far below the average.

[powerhawk]

You should keep in mind that there is competition for almost EVERY interesting job. You also miss every shot that don't take, and you only live once. Also, in regards to being a scientist (specifically a physicist), it is often said that people who failed at physics make a lot more money than people who succeeded. Failed meaning that they couldn't get a physics-related job after completing their PhD (which actually isn't very common, from AIP statistics. The majority of physics PhDs work in physics). These people often go off to do financial work and make heaps more money than physicists do. Also, the overall unemployment rate for physics PhDs is far below the average.

Hmm, I suppose that would make finance+physics double degree in undergrad ideal.

[cdotter]

I like building, tearing apart, and improving mechanical designs so I've been thinking about doing a mechanical or aerospace engineering masters when I finish my BS in Physics. However there is something that concerns me...how much interaction does the typical mechanical engineer have with whatever he is working on? Is a typical mechanical engineer merely a CAD jockey? Does he actually get to interact with what he is working on, or is all the manufacturing, assembly, and testing outsourced?

[KennyCivE]

The mechanical engineer would design the product. There are drafters that do most of the CAD detail work.

[cdotter]

The mechanical engineer would design the product. There are drafters that do most of the CAD detail work.

I understand that in theory mechanical engineers design the product...but are real world mechanical engineer jobs actually like this?

[Topher925]

The definition of a "mechanical engineer" is a broad one. A lot of people that are CAD jockeys, project engineers, sales engineers, etc.... I do not call engineers although they brand themselves with the title. I am an electromechanical engineer and I give myself (along with my employer) that title because I practice engineering. That is, I design and develop electromechanical systems using the tools of mathematics and physics. The majority of people that have degrees in engineering are not actual engineers. The job description of an engineer varies greatly but ultimately it is up to YOU that determines what you are doing, not your degree or job title. If you want to do R&D type work then I suggest you get your masters and possibly a PhD as well. Typically just a bachelors wont do it unless you want to be a CAD jockey.

[TheAnalogKid83]

I see a lot of people trying to make a distinction between science majors and engineering majors. I can only speak on the behalf of EE (and a little ME that I had to take), but I don't think it is accurate for people here to be saying that physics, chem, bio etc. revolve around the same fields as engineering but seek to explain the "whys"; whereas, engineering seeks to answer "how to apply". This is black and white, and that is not the reality of the subject.

The reason I say this is because I had to learn all of the "whys" and in depth theory in my schooling, and then on top of that, apply my knowledge to design and functionality of devices. In my job, I don't simply design something knowing it will solve a problem or function to serve the application. I also must explain to myself or find out why the design is working as it does, or else I am not being responsible and controlling my design; we can't design in ignorance of small details without knowing that we are making assumptions and why we can make these assumptions. For a simple example, engineering specs define ESD discharge with simple circuit models. But I know of triboelectric effects and have studied electrostatics to explain how this voltage and energy can manifest, and then I can trace RC time constant concepts all the way to basic differential equation theory, and I have used this pure theory and "whys" to validate my ESD protection circuitry for a design. We don't simply memorize tau = RC and learn how to apply it, or atleast we are not being true engineers if we do so.

Engineers study more in depth in some areas of physics than a physics major would. I am confident that I know just as much about the physics of semiconductors, electromagnetics, thermodynamics, relativity, quantum mechanics and the theory of differential equations, linear algebra, and statistics as a pure physics student knows (if not more) straight out of school. Physics majors take electives that are more liberal, but engineers must take electives in application, technology (especially programming courses), or even further study into physics and mathematics theory. Engineers can't effectively apply the theory without understanding it at a deep level; people who skip over theory earn engineering technology degrees rather than engineering degrees, and there is an obvious distinction. You will only see a divergence in knowledge of "pure" theory when an individual chooses a specific career path, and even then, the engineer will know all about the theory and be able to explain the "whys" of his chosen field (or else he will have to do a lot of BSing and hope for the best).

All of this said, I will admit that a physics student may have more time and focus to devote to pure theory, but this does not mean an engineer is not expected to know it as well. There is a reason people cringe when hearing about EE curriculum as opposed to a physics curriculum, and the much more rigorous study comes with the territory.

P.S. I recognize that physics and chemistry programs can also be very rigorous and difficult, but I don't think we can give them specific and unique distinction in better understanding the underlying theories of "pure" science. I mean no offense to any of you physicists and chemists :]

[lalah]

Is engineering for me? I'm a rising freshman going into electrical engineering.

I like "creation." I like making things, making things work, and fixing things. And I like working with my hands. I like "normal hobbies" like knitting/crocheting, cooking, and sewing, but I also like going doing other things like programming (haven't studied in-depth though, just enough to get things done) and wiring for robotics (I want to do more than what I did, but the opportunities weren't really there). I like to start things off with structure, and once I get more experience, deviate and create my own structure.

The problem with "creation" is that since it's broad, my interests are also broad. I am interested in so many things that, unlike lots of other engineering majors I've met, I can't dedicate 100% of my attention to one field for over 10+ years at a time. But, I don't lose interest in things, my interests rotate.

I chose electrical engineering because I feel it is broad. My school offers a variety of electives for electrical engineers, most of which I am interested in. I also considered computer engineering, and switching into that will be easy (computer engineering used to exist as a minor under electrical engineering) and information systems (computer science feels too theory-based to me).

I plan on studying engineering, but do you think it's a good career path for someone like me? I am decent in math (but I LOVE it, even if I am failing multivariate calculus) and not too great with physics (but my only exposure so far is high school physics). I don't mind interaction with people (as long as they can do math).

[Topher925]

To be honest, I believe you need to be great at physics to be a successful engineer, math isnt that important. Like theAnalogKid noted, you need to understand the "why" and the "how to use why". You really do need to know basically every fundamental behavior of nature to understand "why" things are the way they are, this includes mechanics and electrodynamics at macro and micro levels. This is where most engineers fall short, thinking they can replace fundamental understanding with textbook problems and mathematics. If you truly understand the nature of whats happening, it will tell you the equations.

I don't really think I know enough about you to give you my opinion. What sort of things have you created? What have you made work? Have you ever torn apart a car engine, built a robot from scratch, built an RC helicopter(one of my hobbies)? Many fields of engineering are multidisciplinary. You just need more experience and exposure to figure out what you really like.

[bingong]

Hi people. I'm going to be starting my university life this coming week, and i'm doing a B.Eng degree in Electrical Engineering. There are some questions i would like to ask. I know some of these questions have been done to death before, but pardon me because i haven't found answers that relate to my circumstances 100%.

1) Is there ANY university that would allow me to directly undertake a PhD in astrophysics (which i understand is a graduate degree in SCIENCE) with just a BEng degree (which i don't think is even a degree in science), and

2) If so, is it possible to do it 10-15 years after i have gotten the degree? And lastly,

3) If the above is not possible, what is the best possible route for me to take to ensure that this is possible in the shortest and easiest way? (eg. take a minor or double major, take a separate BSc)

I know this all may sound silly, but it all stems out from my 2 dreams of being an engineer and an astronomer. I have always wanted to be an electrical engineer, but there are times when i think a huge bulk in my intellectual curiosity lies with the intrigues of the universe. I was actually thinking of working as an engineer for a decade or so, and when i got tired of the rat race, i would switch back to studying again, and perhaps be a professional astronomer for the rest of my life.

However, after speaking to my teacher about this recently, she advised against it. She made me realise that going for graduate studies in science with a bachelor in engineering was not as easy as i thought. So now i am stuck at my current position not knowing what to do. If it is really impossible i don't mind being just a backyard astronomer, but if life permits i would prefer to study at a university. Anybody have any suggestions on what i should do?

[TheAnalogKid83]

Hi people. I'm going to be starting my university life this coming week, and i'm doing a B.Eng degree in Electrical Engineering. There are some questions i would like to ask. I know some of these questions have been done to death before, but pardon me because i haven't found answers that relate to my circumstances 100%.

1) Is there ANY university that would allow me to directly undertake a PhD in astrophysics (which i understand is a graduate degree in SCIENCE) with just a BEng degree (which i don't think is even a degree in science), and

2) If so, is it possible to do it 10-15 years after i have gotten the degree? And lastly,

3) If the above is not possible, what is the best possible route for me to take to ensure that this is possible in the shortest and easiest way? (eg. take a minor or double major, take a separate BSc)

I know this all may sound silly, but it all stems out from my 2 dreams of being an engineer and an astronomer. I have always wanted to be an electrical engineer, but there are times when i think a huge bulk in my intellectual curiosity lies with the intrigues of the universe. I was actually thinking of working as an engineer for a decade or so, and when i got tired of the rat race, i would switch back to studying again, and perhaps be a professional astronomer for the rest of my life.

However, after speaking to my teacher about this recently, she advised against it. She made me realise that going for graduate studies in science with a bachelor in engineering was not as easy as i thought. So now i am stuck at my current position not knowing what to do. If it is really impossible i don't mind being just a backyard astronomer, but if life permits i would prefer to study at a university. Anybody have any suggestions on what i should do?

I did a BSEE in engineering, and I'm about to undertake a MS in physics while I work within a year. I am doing this to strengthen my fundamentals and to open my options for even further education (I will be aiming for engineering as a full time student). I think your adviser does not know what she is talking about to discourage you, EE will prepare you for almost anything because you learn how to acquire knowledge and skills in general and to solve problems. Many people with BSEEs become businessmen, medical doctors, research scientists, lawyers etc. Do what you think will satisfy you and make you happy, and going from EE to astronomy is not out of the question as astronomy has close ties with signal processing, electronics, and electromagnetics.

Make sure that if you do work in the EE industry after undergraduate school that you maintain your physics and mathematics skills and make an effort to study astronomy on your own, this will make the transition from work life back to school much easier. You also would be well off to get a minor or double major, but you can also just focus in electives for EE that will help you land a job in an industry related to astronomy, and that will go a long way for when you decide to go back to school.

[cdotter]

Another question...will I have any problems applying to an engineering Masters program with a B.S. in Physics? I'm aware that I'll have to take some pre-requisite courses, but other than that will there be any outstanding problems with my education path?

[ScotchDave]

Hey, does anyone know of a good resource for comparing different Californian Materials Science/Engineering PhD programs?

[quark1005]

I would like some advice on choosing an engineering specialisation. I have a love of mathematics so preferably I would like an engineering degree/profession with as much math as possible.

I usually like a layer of abstraction - I am not one who likes physically working with technology as such. I would rather do calculations, designs etc.

I have heard electrical engineering involves a lot of problem solving (good thing) and mathematics. Also Aerospace Engineering but I'm guessing this has less abstraction? I don't much like chemistry so that rules out chemical engineering etc.

[perfectchaos180]

Which engineering field makes the most money? I will not use this solely to pick my field, I just want to know. I have seen many different results and just want to see what you guys say.

[Feldoh]

It's hard to get statistics on salaries, but here's a start I suppose: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm#earnings

[pravda63]

Hello, I am new to this forum but I will start by telling a little about myself. I am going into my senior year of high school and I am still confused on what I want my career to be. I was always interested in drafting and I am very computer literate. One of my main wants is a career that deals with people on a daily basis. I am very people friendly and outgoing and its an absolute must that I work with people. I do not want to be stuck in a cubicle all day. Engineering has been always an option for me, I used to want to be a creator of tanks and other military weapons but I don't want to see my products be used to kill others.

I don't know what field of engineering im interested in yet, but I do know that chemical engineering is not one of them! I want to develop some kind of technology, either offshore or on the ground, maybe airplanes or something.. I was wondering if any of you have any tips on how to find out what path i should take. Any sites or anything. Also, since I have some time on my hands each day, I was wondering if you guys suggest I do something, such as drafting or other sketches? Its weird to explain but a good question I guess I should ask is, if I was to become an engineer, mechanical or industrial etc, will drafting be a part of the routine?

I hope this was not too long of a post, but please respond if any of you have any tips or suggestions.

[budala]

pravda63 (justice) , take mech eng.
***** read math and mech books.

good luck my bro,

[Topher925]

Pravada, honestly you don't really sound like an engineer to me. How many car engines have you taken apart and put back together? What are your hobbies or what do you do for fun? Good people skills is a must for everyone but expect to work alone frequently as an engineer. Also, no one does drafting or sketching anymore, its all CAD now. And why exactly do you want to design weapons when you don't want to see them used? Seems a bit contradicting to me. Engineering management might be up your ally, but as for the real hardcore stuff, sorry to say but I just don't get that vibe from your post.

[maryelsol]

How was your life/courses in college like when majoring in industrial engineering?

I'm currently majoring in biological sciences. Throughout high school I was not interested in engineering because of a misconception. Now that I looked into industrial engineering I feel that it strongly describes my interests and passions. Although I planned to go to med school, but now I'm not too sure. Engineering might be for me, but I also like my current major.

Your help will be greatly appreciated :smile:

[authentic]

This may sound like a stupid question but how important is the knowledge of math compared to chemistry for a chemical engineer? I know math is the fundamental element that all engineering professions are built on but how integrated will it be compared to chemistry for a chemical engineer upon entering the work force? Will he/she be using more chemistry on a day to day basis over mathematics?

[spindash]

I'm considering becoming an engineer, but I still have questions that I hope you can answer.

What is the daily life of an engineer really like? A "day in the life", as it were. (I know there are lots of different branches, so just whatever one you can answer for is fine.) All I seem to be able to find are general accounts, nothing specific such as: I meet with my team in the morning, then spend a few hours going over my equations on the bridge struts, do some research on this new composite, whatever. How much do you sit at your desk doing equations? How much are you finding new solutions and how much are you using old solutions? How much "corporate interaction" is there? How much group work, how much solo projects?

What personalities are best suited? Am I suited?
Here's me: I like solving puzzles. As long as I'm making progress I'm captivated but when I get stuck I get bored. I'm really good at math when I take the time, and sorta pass when I don't. I really don't function when I am low on sleep. I don't know what else to tell you about myself, anything else just ask.

I was "smart" in highschool, but average in a university setting. How hard is engineering going to be for me?

Thank you for any help you can give me, good people of the forum. :)

[RufusDawes]

Pravada, honestly you don't really sound like an engineer to me. How many car engines have you taken apart and put back together? What are your hobbies or what do you do for fun? Good people skills is a must for everyone but expect to work alone frequently as an engineer. Also, no one does drafting or sketching anymore, its all CAD now. And why exactly do you want to design weapons when you don't want to see them used? Seems a bit contradicting to me. Engineering management might be up your ally, but as for the real hardcore stuff, sorry to say but I just don't get that vibe from your post.

Thats what my Dad said to me and now I regret not studying Engineering for a long time. There is surely more to it than tinkering with a car engine. Friend of mine works on pumps at a dock making sure they don't catch fire due to friction generated by fuel. Sounds like fun. Never pulled apart an engine in his life, though he is cynical about being an Engineer because the pay is low and he says the pumps are all the same. Old work mate is Civil Engineer goes out to suburubs and helps design freeways, sounds boring ? He is outside for a lot and is a manager, gets to travel across Australia and make good money. Worked on bridge and tunnel near my house must have been fun. Lots of concrete.

I studied economics and practically it looks like only education I will be doing is a honours/masters in economics... and become government Economist. I need money, or live in poverty, 4 more years is too long. Make the right decision now. If you want to be Engineer you should do it and not listen to what people say about you. But listen to their specific advice on things.

[Kennethfaria]

So ill be applying to universities in a couple of months, and have a few questions, and instead of starting a new thread, I thought i'd start here first.

I live in Mississauga Ontario and I'm interested in doing Engineering.
My first option is Aerospace at Ryerson, but I haven't heard/read too much about their program, and their site isn't anything to write home about either.

After that, since i heard many people working in this field are mechanical engineers, i thought I'd go for that and major (?, this major/minor is something new to me) in aerospace.

My questions:
1. How is Ryerson? Especially for Aerospace eng.
2. How hard would it be to get a job in Canada as an AE?

And thats it for now, Thanks!

[mistermagical]

pravada63, hate to break it to u, most engineers will work in a cubicle/office setting with maybe 10% of the time out in the field either to a site or a shop

[mistermagical]

So ill be applying to universities in a couple of months, and have a few questions, and instead of starting a new thread, I thought i'd start here first.

I live in Mississauga Ontario and I'm interested in doing Engineering.
My first option is Aerospace at Ryerson, but I haven't heard/read too much about their program, and their site isn't anything to write home about either.

After that, since i heard many people working in this field are mechanical engineers, i thought I'd go for that and major (?, this major/minor is something new to me) in aerospace.

My questions:
1. How is Ryerson? Especially for Aerospace eng.
2. How hard would it be to get a job in Canada as an AE?

And thats it for now, Thanks!

Please dont go there for engineering. Its nearly non-existant on the engineering map. If you live in sauga, might as well go to UT or better yet to Waterloo. I have many friends in Mech @ UW from sauga.

[mistermagical]

Oh, forgot to mention, yes, alot of people in AE field majored in mech. That is a viable option. Also, if you decide to change your mind while u are doing mech u still ahve the option.

[Kennethfaria]

Oh, can i go the mech path and major in Aerospace?

and is ryerson THAT bad for aerospace? UfT's got it but i have to go through the engineering science program, and then choose aerospace after 3 years.

EDIT: I'm looking at mechatronics. Seems to me that they're in demand and they can get jobs in various fields. I'd be going to Mac for this one.

[mistermagical]

its not bad for AE, its bad in engineering period. go to mac. go to UT, go to UW, anything but ryerson!! :(

(waterloo's co-op should be heavily considered)

[whypickthree]

Hi Physics Forums. This is a tad long, but I hope you help me out; I've been thinking of this post for a while now.

Let me tell you my dream. I am obsessed with space, especially Mars. I literally think about space and Mars all day long. I want to help design and build the spacecraft and habitat that will eventually take us to Mars. I want to know the craft from the inside-out and be able to fix whatever may go wrong with said ship and eventually habitat on the surface of Mars

At first I thought I'd go for a BS in Physics then try and go for an MS in Aerospace Engineering. But as I read more and more threads on engineering and physics degrees, it looks like Mechanical Engineering would be a better jump off point for an aerospace degree.

Now here is my dilemma: I've been in school for three years now, currently taking a semester off to figure out exactly how to finish my education. I've only taken core credits, and have never taken a calculus or physics class. Math always came pretty naturally to me, I earned A's in college algebra and trig at my university. So it looks like I would pretty much start over and have to take three to four more years of school (I'm done with all of my school's core curriculum so those years would be a purely engineering and math curriculum). The three years more schooling for a BS doesn't bother me, just the amount of loans I would need to take out does. My parents are cutting me off after my fourth year of college.

I have three questions:
1) Would the amount of loans I would need to take out be typical and possible to pay off?
2) Would this degree plan (BS in Mechanical to MS in Aerospace) as well as extensive work experience would set me up to be a "crack mechanic" as experts put it when selecting a crew for a trip to the moon or Mars.
3) Is my situation at all normal or at least feasible to accomplish?

Some final notes:
Should I ease into this and do Calculus I this Spring then Calculus II and Physics I in the Summer?
I go to school at Colorado State, and hope to eventually go to University of Colorado for aerospace. Fortunately Lockheed Martin isn't too far from CU so I could maybe get an entry-level job or internship there while I complete an MS.

I apologize if this is rambling, I have so much more to write. But I'll gladly answer any questions to help you answer my questions.

Thanks Physics Forums!

[ColdSanctuary]

I live in Montreal, Canada, and I have to apply to Universities soon. After asking every person I know about engineering, I've finally decided to try Computer Engineering.

The university I'm thinking of is called McGill and is located in the island of Montreal. McGill is very famous for Medicine and Law, but I don't think it's that good for engineering. However, I've heard it's way more serious than the other English university in Montreal (Concordia). I've also heard that some French universities are pretty good, but I don't want to study in French... Not exactly my strong point...

What should I do? From what I've read here, the university of Waterloo seems really good. I can't leave the province though...

[Skynt]

I'm not entirely great at mathematics. I love math, I understand it, but I'm slow at it.
It's hard to describe. Currently I'm still finishing High School and I'm in my senior year, however, despite my success (like getting a 4 on the Physics AP exam) and keeping my grades up, I'm totally slow at computations and problem solving. I basically got a very low score of 560 mostly because I hardly finished any of the problems.

I enjoy understanding things and learning plus I'm great with computers (programming, C++, etc).

So, I'm sort of slow at mathematics but I think I have the potential to do well.
Would that give me any problems on my way to being a good engineer?

[nitinkarya]

I want to do electrical/computer engineering but I also want to do some business maybe a minor in business because I heard that if you have some knowledge of business concepts then you can advance easier into an upper-level engineering job. Do you think I should major in Electrical/Computer Engineering and minor in Business or do the Engineering Route to Business (ERB) program at UT Austin? I am most likely going to attend the University of Texas Austin next fall. I'm scared that I won't get any job offers if I do the ERB program because I won't have a degree in electrical/computer engineering as the ERB program awards the Bachelor of Business Administration degree. Any advice? Thanks

[NeoZeRo35]

Hi everyone. I'm new here, but wondering can Mechanical Engineering be broad enough to work for a toy company?

[n00bsauce]

Some final notes:
Should I ease into this and do Calculus I this Spring then Calculus II and Physics I in the Summer?
I go to school at Colorado State, and hope to eventually go to University of Colorado for aerospace. Fortunately Lockheed Martin isn't too far from CU so I could maybe get an entry-level job or internship there while I complete an MS.



Calculus II is a challenging course, even people that do well in calculus I have problems with it. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would not recommend taking calc 2 and physics in the same summer session. I'm currently a second year engineering student taking 17 credit hours, calc 2 takes as much time as the rest of my classes combined.

[withthemotive]

Calculus II is a challenging course, even people that do well in calculus I have problems with it. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would not recommend taking calc 2 and physics in the same summer session. I'm currently a second year engineering student taking 17 credit hours, calc 2 takes as much time as the rest of my classes combined.

I didn't view calculus II all that challenging besides it just introducing new ways to use the information you learned in calculus I and previous courses. I think it's calculus III which is when things start to be challenging, mostly just because of the amount of material that is required to be remembered.

The only downfall with any summer classes is that they'll be a large chunk of your life throughout the 5 or 8 weeks, or however long you college offers. You'll have to constantly do homework to keep up and never, or hardly, skip at all. I most defiantly think it's very possible to do both physics and calc II in the summer, but just be prepared for your schedule to revolve around your school life.

Including my summer semester I've now been in school for 2 years straight, and I have to take another summer semester again because of a lack of classes. 3 years straight, ugh.

[mbisCool]

How are job prospects in industry for physics phds relative to engineering phds? Are they about the same at this level?

[bowma166]

The problem I'm having is deciding on whether to do a pure science (probably physics or chemistry; mathematics might be too pure even though i love it) or engineering. I'm currently finishing up my fall semester of freshman year... I love physics and math the most, and also have a strong liking for chemistry though not as strong as math and physics. I'm just not sure if I'd enjoy what I'd be able to do with, say, a Ph.D. in physics vs. what I could do with something like an MS in some engineering. My school seems like it's pressuring us very much to decide on a major as early as possible and I'm just left here scratching my head.

How did all of you decide which way to go?

Then I guess there's the problem of deciding exactly which field to go into (aerospace vs. electrical vs. chemical vs. computer etc.) but that can come later I suppose.

Thanks!

[Gogsey]

Hi,

I'm a 2nd year student in physics at McMaster University, hamIlton, Ontario, Canada. I was always strong in Physics and Chemistry, but my Math was lacking. It deffinatley takes a lot of hard work to do physics and engineering, as I found out the hard way.

Firstly you must ask yourself, science or engineering. If you need to see something real, like a product of some sort, then engineering is for you. If you like the more theoretival pprach, and like to ask big questions, then science would be a better choice. Do be honest i'm in that boat right now. Thinking of switching to engineering but not sure, plus I like aerospace, but its not a very common degree in Canada.

Next, its choose yur discipline time. This is totally what your preference is. Only you can make that descision. I suggest researching all of them, because soem are not what they seem. eg. chemical engineering is not chemistry, quite different, aerospace is not astronomy and materials is one of the more sience based disciplines and has more chemistry then chem eng. Also its like a field such as automotive, microdevices or chemical production, its more like materials for other enginers, so it has a hand in all industries, but its mor production and processes rather than working specifically in the aerospace industry, for example. You make materials for aeospace , automotive, biomdiacl enginerrs etc.

As for schools, MIT Caltech, Berkely, Georgia Tech, Stanford, U of Michigan, are all top quality engineerign schools. There is also UCLA, Texas A&M too. In Canada Queens, Toronto, Waterloo and McMaster are as good as it gets, in Ontario, but I don't know much about the rest of Canada.

[PhysicalAnomaly]

I'm in an engineering and science double degree and I'm actually thinking of dropping the engineering side. I've only taken very basic chem eng units and feel that they're too easy and unchallenging in the intellectual sense (too much plugging of values into formulae and other very structured stuff). I know it won't be same in later years but I'm not sure if I can spend years studying something I like but don't feel passionate about. So I'm thinking of switching to just science (pure maths and physics).

So I'm in pretty much the opposite position. How do I know if I will come to love engineering?

[L62]

How are job prospects in industry for physics phds relative to engineering phds? Are they about the same at this level?

it depends entirely on your specialty and skills. You will probably not get an industry job that is exactly related to your phD topic, but you may get a job because of the skillset or tools you used to get your PhD .

at the phd level there are relatively few jobs to begin with, regardless of your field.

most jobs in industry do not require a phd, nor does it help you to have one. unless you are in R&D.

[missmerisha]

Do you think somebody who is average at maths and physics can do engineering?

In my maths and physics class I'm an average student in both subjects. I enjoy maths and physics and I aim to study an engineering course. I don't know if it is possible because engineering is a difficult course.

[cdotter]

I'm interested in mechanical engineering, but I'm afraid of ending up as a CAD jockey. How much mechanical engineering is hands on work? If I were to, for example, get a job doing jet turbine research & development, would I be working with the engine hands on? Or is it all CAD and computer simulations?

[mynick]

Hello,

This is my first post.I read many posts on this thread.I am an electronics engineer student at a technical institute. After years of attending classes i realise that all engineering disciplines are strenuous and demanding.

When i get in a class i feel stupid,because i barely understand the lectures due to lack of sleep or other factors, i take notes and get back home to start the painful,time-consuming research to find relative material to study.I don't know how or if people manage to remember maths(calculus,algebra etc) after 3+ years they have completed their math modules,for me it is impossible to remember all of that stuff(too many formulas and details...).

Here is the critical question:you study maths,pass them all,after a few years,fatefully,you start to forget...what do you do then?!Eventually,as an engineer you are doomed to study lots of books and revise a lot,for life!Thus, think twice before enrolling in an engineer degree,because post-graduate study is endless and if you don't keep up HARD(studying)somebody else will do it and you will be soon out of job!

Does it worth struggling for an engineer degree plus the endless post-graduate studying while you can find ,a non-cubicle, decent job?A decent job which will allow you to enjoy different aspects of life apart from studying?I don't know.However,You can be an athlete(good athletes are multi-millionaires before the age of 23,some are married),a celebrity,an actor,a bus driver or whatever and leave a HAPPY life.They do not hold university degrees.

My point is,nobody will give you back your lost youth, it is not worth struggling to get a university degree and regret it later because it did not pay off,see universities as companies:they do not really care if you succeed,you pay for your education so as to graduate and work as a<<slave>> 8+ hours daily for industries in addition to post-graduate endless studying.I believe industries should always pay your education,not you,they have extravagant demands,let them pay for!

Time never reverts,second chance is a bit of a utopia.That hurts the most,even me...

[PhysicalAnomaly]

I guess that's the problem with maths for the sake of engineering. If you love maths to bits, not a single hour of doing maths will be considered work. You'll remember every formula, every theorem without trying.

Likewise with engineering. People who study engineering not because they love engineering will have unfulfiling lives. That simple.

Athletes train for hours every day until they are sore to the bone. A celebrity slogs through years of work as a mere extra, going for hundreds of failed auditions. A businessman works for years in the field they wish to do business in. They have to perfect it before starting out on their own. Some of them go bankrupt multiple times before turning millionaire. There's no way to avoid hard work. But it's not work and your youth is not wasted if you enjoy it.

[viet_jon]

Hello,

This is my first post.I read many posts on this thread.I am an electronics engineer student at a technical institute. After years of attending classes i realise that all engineering disciplines are strenuous and demanding.

When i get in a class i feel stupid,because i barely understand the lectures due to lack of sleep or other factors, i take notes and get back home to start the painful,time-consuming research to find relative material to study.I don't know how or if people manage to remember maths(calculus,algebra etc) after 3+ years they have completed their math modules,for me it is impossible to remember all of that stuff(too many formulas and details...).

Here is the critical question:you study maths,pass them all,after a few years,fatefully,you start to forget...what do you do then?!Eventually,as an engineer you are doomed to study lots of books and revise a lot,for life!Thus, think twice before enrolling in an engineer degree,because post-graduate study is endless and if you don't keep up HARD(studying)somebody else will do it and you will be soon out of job!

Does it worth struggling for an engineer degree plus the endless post-graduate studying while you can find ,a non-cubicle, decent job?A decent job which will allow you to enjoy different aspects of life apart from studying?I don't know.However,You can be an athlete(good athletes are multi-millionaires before the age of 23,some are married),a celebrity,an actor,a bus driver or whatever and leave a HAPPY life.They do not hold university degrees.

My point is,nobody will give you back your lost youth, it is not worth struggling to get a university degree and regret it later because it did not pay off,see universities as companies:they do not really care if you succeed,you pay for your education so as to graduate and work as a<<slave>> 8+ hours daily for industries in addition to post-graduate endless studying.I believe industries should always pay your education,not you,they have extravagant demands,let them pay for!

Time never reverts,second chance is a bit of a utopia.That hurts the most,even me...


I'm in first year ENG, and I'll agree, it's tonnes of hard work.

First half of the semester, I thought I could not make it through four years because I was studying 24/7 trying to absorb everything. LIfe was very stressful. I got to a point where I told myself 'f*k' it, I'm not gonna try and ace everything, I'll just absorb whatever time permits. So I did that.

I started to go workout again, playing sports, and taking one day off on the weekends. With all this time away from the books, somehow I was able to absorb and understand the material more easily. Instead of 2 hours trying to understand a calc proof, it took me only 30 minutes etc.

So, moral of my story... balance is key. Dedicating all your awake hours to studying is not effective as one might think.

[walk_w/o_aim]

Hello.

I'm sure this is a question that has been asked countless times in- and outside this thread, but I couldn't find anything that specifically matched my current circumstances.

I'm a student that just completed high school, and am going to start in a college this January. I plan to do first year university studies there (tuition fees are cheaper), and then transfer to a university in Canada (the plan is UBC, right now) in 2010. I'm a relatively good student when it comes to academics, and I am typically able to always score at least 85% in all courses I've ever taken in school (mainly English, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, History, Computer Science and Geography). Among the bunch, Math is probably my weakest.

Until recently, I've never really worked hard or did my homework or anything. I was always attentive in class, but I never did any sort of revision and always left assignments and studying for exams till the last minute.

That had to change when I started having trouble in a Math course. My grades crashed, and I literally had to work hours and hours everyday doing the homework just to understand the topics in the course. In the end, though, it was worth it since I passed the class with over 90%. I mention this because I earlier stated that I rarely work hard, but I can and will work hard if I have to. I probably spent thrice the energy on the aforementioned course than I've ever spent on any other course. Ever.

Since then, my interest in Math has gradually increased and I tend to think I'm somewhat better in the subject than I used to be, since I understand more of why things work rather than just applying a fixed method to solve a particular type of problem.

I think that I'm decent in both Physics and Chem -- I'm very interested in both, especially Physics.

I've always wanted to get a bachelor's degree in Engineering (until now, I'm still torn between Mechatronics, Engineering Science, Aerospace, Chemical and Electronics), work as an engineer for a few years, and then get a Master's/PhD in Physics. After reading this thread, however, I don't think I have what it takes to be an engineer OR a scientist. Several reasons:

1. I'm introverted (although I've felt that I've become slightly more sociable in recent years), and I generally dislike working in groups. I often find it difficult to take initiative and begin a conversation with someone. If the other person starts to talk first, though, I usually have no trouble in the ensuing conversation. In some cases, I have no choice but to talk first -- I can do this, but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable for me. If the other person is chatty, the feeling often disappears, otherwise, it may remain. Regarding groups, I sometimes feel that the group members bring me down or hold me back. I'm not arrogant, honest, but that's the way I feel. On the other hand, sometimes I get into a great group, where everyone participates and the workload is equally shared -- I often enjoy these experiences a lot, since there's someone to talk to and ease the monotony of the tasks at hand.

2. I like designing things, and understanding why things work, and often want to improve pre-existing things, but I'm really clumsy when it comes to doing the handywork. I'd probably weld my hands together if I had to use a welding machine (or whatever the proper term is...). As such, I often prefer the theoretical part of things rather than the application. On the other hand, I enjoyed whatever physics and chemistry lab work I had to do for my courses - it was great to see how theory is in practice. :)

3. I like abstract concepts, even those that might have no real application whatsoever, but I really want to "change" things, like, make a difference in the world.

4. If I get a science degree, I'd probably be involved in research. What happens if I don't discover anything or the research is a complete failure? I'm not very good at teaching either, so a university lecturer is out of the question, I think.

I considered the double degree in Engineering and Science, but I'm not sure if I can handle the load. I'm afraid I'll degenerate into cramming for exams if I don't have enough time or something.

Does anyone have any recommendations on what I can do? Any particular branch of Engineering or Science that I can go to that (even remotely) matches my profile? Thank you.

[mabs239]

and yes ...for about difficult studies regarding engineering .. I never found anything that was "difficult" .. although I needed a lot of practice .. but the studies are volumes and volumes like vast oceans ... enough to keep u busy from making anything u really dreamt to make during ur 4 years degree course!!

I am Electronics Engineer. I did not find the study to be very difficult. I hope if you are good at maths, there sjouldn't be any big problem. However the homework assignments were the real trouble for me.

I had been electronis hobbiest since my early schooling. However during my degree program really had no time to do anything interesting. But I was satisfied that now I was going to know how the things acutually work. It was fun to know of my earlier mistakes and misconceptions.

[djeitnstine]

After reading this thread, however, I don't think I have what it takes to be an engineer OR a scientist. Several reasons:

1. I'm introverted (although I've felt that I've become slightly more sociable in recent years), and I generally dislike working in groups. I often find it difficult to take initiative and begin a conversation with someone. If the other person starts to talk first, though, I usually have no trouble in the ensuing conversation. In some cases, I have no choice but to talk first -- I can do this, but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable for me. If the other person is chatty, the feeling often disappears, otherwise, it may remain. Regarding groups, I sometimes feel that the group members bring me down or hold me back. I'm not arrogant, honest, but that's the way I feel. On the other hand, sometimes I get into a great group, where everyone participates and the workload is equally shared -- I often enjoy these experiences a lot, since there's someone to talk to and ease the monotony of the tasks at hand.

2. I like designing things, and understanding why things work, and often want to improve pre-existing things, but I'm really clumsy when it comes to doing the handywork. I'd probably weld my hands together if I had to use a welding machine (or whatever the proper term is...). As such, I often prefer the theoretical part of things rather than the application. On the other hand, I enjoyed whatever physics and chemistry lab work I had to do for my courses - it was great to see how theory is in practice. :)

3. I like abstract concepts, even those that might have no real application whatsoever, but I really want to "change" things, like, make a difference in the world.

4. If I get a science degree, I'd probably be involved in research. What happens if I don't discover anything or the research is a complete failure? I'm not very good at teaching either, so a university lecturer is out of the question, I think.

I considered the double degree in Engineering and Science, but I'm not sure if I can handle the load. I'm afraid I'll degenerate into cramming for exams if I don't have enough time or something.

Does anyone have any recommendations on what I can do? Any particular branch of Engineering or Science that I can go to that (even remotely) matches my profile? Thank you.
I'm an Aerospace Engineering student almost Junior now. (in fall '09 I will be)

1) Don't worry about this too much for now. I'm also an introvert to a certain extent. If you really like the subject (in which you explained that you do) eventually you will want to exercise people to people skills to get stuff done. For the most part you have plenty of time to work on it and/or decide if you really care that much for it to keep engineering i.e. You dislike group work so much you find engineering distasteful? I dunno what ever happens. But you don't have to worry too much about it now. Depending on your course design at the college you are at now there will be courses that involve this and will help you :)

2) Excellent, you are the essence of a design engineer. I have felt that way also for a long time now :D

3)Another great quality of a true engineer.

4) Don't worry about that now. Just focus on techniques to keep your grades up. As you soon find out later you will be doing self study and/or self research of your own because of an interest in your degree or a specialized area of it. (At least I do =D )

In my experiences its very important to develop study habits early on (this is only my second semester at a large institution so I had to learn quick)

Its great to set career goals from now ( or even maybe one years time? - it took me 2 - but my story is a little different) because it gives you greater focus in terms of what to study and what is required of you.

As has been stated over and over in this eternal thread. Math ability is 100% essential. In my opinion, seeing sophmores/juniors struggle with calc2 integration techniques is horrible...it happens but I think it shouldn't (as an engineer at least)

My final tip to you sir is const