Friction - signs of the forces correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving friction on an inclined plane. Participants are examining the setup of forces and the direction of vectors to identify errors in calculations that lead to incorrect answers.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the direction of the friction force, asking whether it acts up or down the incline.
  • Another participant proposes that when motion down the incline is impending, friction acts up the incline, and when motion up the incline is impending, friction acts down the incline.
  • A participant claims to have solved the problem correctly and suggests that the original poster may have made an arithmetic error.
  • The original poster expresses frustration over repeated incorrect answers and considers the possibility of misdirected forces.
  • One participant identifies a specific numerical error in the original poster's calculations, suggesting a correction to a sine function value.
  • The original poster expresses surprise and gratitude upon discovering the error after extensive analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the direction of friction forces, but the original poster's calculations remain unresolved, with ongoing uncertainty about the correctness of their setup.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential arithmetic errors and the importance of correctly identifying the direction of forces, but does not resolve the overall correctness of the original poster's solution.

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Friction -- signs of the forces correct?

Homework Statement


I have a question about part c). I've attached the picture of the problem. It's a typical friction problem on an inclined plane, and I get the wrong answer so there's something about my setup that's wrong.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I show my work in an attachment. I get P=127, but the answer is P=80. What am I doing wrong. How are the direction of my vectors? Thanks for the help.
 

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Your direction of friction seems wrong. Which way do you think friction acts? Up or down the incline?
 
Here's where I think the direction of friction is:

1) when motion down the incline is impending, friction points up the incline (Part c).

2) when motion up the incline is impending, friction points down the incline (Part a).
 
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OK, you seem to have the correct direction for friction. I solved it, and got the expected answer. Perhaps you have an arithmetic error.
 
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How'd you get the right answer? I checked it at least 15 times and kept getting the wrong answer over and over and over again. Maybe another one of my forces is pointing in the wrong direction? If you could be so kind as to look over my work, it is attached in the original post -- I also drew a diagram :) Thank you.
 
Found the problem

OK... I found your error. Recheck your number 388. That should be 800 sin(25) = 338.1
 
omg. I can't believe that. I spent like 2 hours analyzing it and reading the book again to see where I went wrong. You're awesome :)
 

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