What is the ratio of successive thetas in an undamped and undriven pendulum?

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The discussion focuses on the behavior of an undamped and undriven pendulum, specifically the ratio of successive angles, theta, measured in increments of half periods. According to the small angle approximation and the formula theta(t) = theta(t=0)*cos(wt+phi), the ratio of successive thetas is calculated as theta(t=T)/theta(t=0) = cos(2*pi + phi), which simplifies to 1.0. This indicates that in an idealized scenario without damping, the angle does not decrease over time, contradicting the expectation that the pendulum would eventually stop.

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hello friends,

I have a question on the simple undamped and undriven pendulum. I see that according to the website:

http://www.gmi.edu/~drussell/Demos/Pendulum/Pendula.html

the angle of rotation, Theta(t), can be expressed in terms of the starting angle using the small angle approximation sin(theta) = theta.

my question is, what is the ratio of successive thetas if we measure theta in increments of half periods ? the website shows:

theta(t) = theta(t=0)*cos(wt+phi)

i am interested in the ratio: theta(t=T)/theta(t=0) = cos(wt+phi)

if we substitute w = sqrt(g/L) and t=T = 2*pi*sqrt(L/g) into the right side of this ratio we get:

ratio = cos(2*pi + phi)

but cos(2*pi) = 1.0.

I don't see where i am going wrong since shouldn't the angle decrease over time until it is zero and the pendulum is stopped.

I am curious to see if the ratio of successive theta's is constant.

thankyou,
chris
 
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The pendulum is UNdamped. No air resistance, no loss of energy. Real pendulums do indeed act like you think -- they stop eventually -- but this is only a theoretical pendulum.
 
sorry,,
i see that without friction, the pendulum swings forever and the ratio is 1.0 as the equations show.
 

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