Calculating Quark Radius from Mass Equation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of calculating the radius of quarks based on a mass equation that assumes quarks are spherical entities. Participants explore the implications of their findings on the nature of quarks, particularly in relation to their classification as point-like particles in quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral equation to calculate the mass of quarks, suggesting that the resulting radii imply quarks may not be point-like as assumed in quantum field theory.
  • Another participant references historical experiments, such as Rutherford's, to argue that quarks are considered point particles due to the lack of smaller entities to probe their size.
  • A different participant notes that while quantum physicists view quarks as point-like, particle physicists suggest a minimum size based on Planck length, indicating a divergence in perspectives.
  • One participant discusses their research involving quantization of space and the use of matrices to derive mass ratios, expressing uncertainty about the relationship between their findings and established lengths like the Planck length.
  • Another participant questions the evidence for quarks being non-existent, suggesting that historical skepticism about quarks could parallel current debates.
  • A participant asserts that quarks and leptons are effectively point particles with zero dimensional extension, while also discussing the implications of a hypothetical quantum of length and its undetectability in experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of quarks, with some asserting they are point-like and others proposing they may have a measurable size. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions, such as the nature of quarks and the implications of their mass equations, without reaching consensus on the definitions or measurements involved. The discussion includes speculative elements regarding the existence of a minimum length and its experimental implications.

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When I use the following equation which assumes quarks are spheres of charge and compressing the spheres creates mass (by doing work):
mass of quark = integral of ( k q ^2 / r^2 c^ 2 ) d r

and input masses from the mass equation I arrived at by trial and error a few months ago in which n is an integer

Mass = [12.50 x 10^3pi (n – 5) / 2 0] x ( n – 4 )^ 2 x 10^ 39 ( n – 3 ) / 2 x 10^57 x q ^n

I get radius of up quark,charm quark and top quark to be around 10^-18,
10^-19 and 10^-22 metres respectively.

If I am right this means that the assumption of quantum field theory that charges are pointlike is incorrect.However the integral only allows me to obtain [ 1/r] between r1 and r2 where r1 is initial radius and r2 is compressed radius of a sphere.Can anyone think of a way to get r1 exact for a quark?
 
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By collision experiments, the sizes of particles were determined.

Rutherford bombarded the gold atoms with alpha particles and deduced the existence of the nucleus.

In high energy physics, the nuclei were bombarded by other elementary particles and the existence of quarks was established.

In order to find the size of quarks, it has to be bombarded by something that must be smaller than the quarks. No such thing exist in nature. That is why quarks and the leptons are considered point particles.
 
kurious

You have been transferred to theory development, where according to PF moderator chroot all the nutcases are dumped, a hearty welcome!
Antonio is half right. Quantum physicist consider quarks to be pointlike, Particle physicist give them a minimum size based on Planck length.
I am intrigue by your claim because I have related quark mass to quark volume, but the volume and radii are in arbitrary numbers because I am unable to get a real quantity for any particular particle measurement other than mass.
Would you please take a look at http://elasticity2.tripod.com/ and let me know if we can cooperate to produce something meaningfull.
 
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My research in the quantization of one dimensional space requires the existence of minimum quanta of length. I am not quite sure whether this minimum length is the same as the Planck length. But since I am using matrices instead of actual values for the length and forces, I don't need to specify the values for them.

My postdiction is to calculate the mass ratio of a proton to an electron by these matrices and derive a value for the mass ratio to be within a percent of the actual experimental value. I can continue to find mass ratios for all the other particles but a strong evidence for stable particles of proton and electron is sufficient for me at this time.
 
Lao, is there any specific evidence to say that they do not exist? I'm sure at some point in time there wasnt anything to show that quarks existed, either?
 
Quarks and leptons in all practical purposes are point particles, their dimensional extension are zero. But their existence is due to their mutual interactions by their mass and charge properties and energy transformations.

The interaction of the quantum of length that I have in mind is zero because the field is scalar that is to say that a force cannot be detected by experiment although the fluctuation of vacuum does indicate the existence of quantum of length. But if there is a quantum of length such as Planck length why does the force cannot be detected at this length?
 

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