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Ahmed Abdullah
Mar20-08, 07:01 AM
If they do:
-Do the collisions obey newton's law of motion.
If they don't, why?
What is the difference between a real particle and photon ?
-We know that they both got mass ( photons have relativistic mass E/c^2).
What is the significance of this mass? What does it imply?

Any help will be highly appreciated. Thx

pam
Mar20-08, 08:19 AM
1. Photons obey the laws of relativistic quantum field theory, including photon-photon scattering.
2. The photon is as real as any other particle, but has zero mass.
3. Photons do not "have relativistic mass E/c^2". That is an archiac notion, inappropriate in relativistic quantum field theory.
4. That mass has no significance. Its only implication is confusion.

Ahmed Abdullah
Mar20-08, 08:29 AM
so it's possible that two electron collided and bounched off......

Ahmed Abdullah
Mar20-08, 08:30 AM
by the way what do you mean by the word "other particle"? What is a particle?

jtbell
Mar20-08, 10:15 AM
"Photon collisions" have been discussed in a recent thread here:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=219619

Photons are about as non-Newtonian as one can imagine. After all, they originated in quantum theory, and are fully described only in relativistic quantum field theory.

faen
Mar21-08, 08:38 PM
A collision on a micro perspective are just forces bouncing eachother off. I dont think photons have any such forces which can make them bounce, otherwise it would be easily observed by letting two light rays cross eachother. Hence they only act like a superposition of waves when in the same space. Also according to pauli exclusion principles, there's no limit to how many photons may occupy the same state.

jtbell
Mar22-08, 12:12 AM
Photons can interact with each other via a process that involves virtual electrons and positrons. I included a diagram of it in this post (http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1634625&postcount=8) in the thread that I referred to earlier. This process has a very small cross-section (probability) and is difficult to observe.