What is a Closed Path Integral in Thermodynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a closed path integral in thermodynamics, exploring its definition and application. Participants examine the terminology and mathematical representation associated with this integral, as well as its relation to other concepts in physics.

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  • One participant defines the total energy of a closed system and introduces the concept of a circular integral involving no change in net internal energy.
  • Another participant suggests that the term refers to a path integral taken along a closed loop rather than a segment of a coordinate axis.
  • A different participant acknowledges the term "circular integral" but notes they have not encountered it in textbooks, although it appears in some thermodynamics literature.
  • One participant mentions a family member's description of the integral as volume-based, expressing uncertainty about the concept due to limited experience with straight-line integration.
  • Another participant clarifies that a circular integral involves integration around a closed path or surface, providing an example from Gauss's law.
  • One participant confirms that the term is typically referred to as a closed path integral when integrating along a line or path.

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Participants express varying familiarity with the terminology and concepts, indicating a lack of consensus on the specific definition and application of the term "circular integral" versus "closed path integral." Multiple viewpoints remain regarding the interpretation and usage of these terms.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and applications of the integrals discussed, highlighting a potential dependence on specific contexts or definitions in thermodynamics. There are also indications of varying levels of mathematical experience among participants, which may influence their understanding.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and practitioners in thermodynamics, physics, and mathematics, particularly those exploring integrals and their applications in closed systems.

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If we designate the total or internal energy of an isolated or closed system as E, heat as Q and work as W , then the circular integral involving no change in net internal energy is:...
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I think that refers to a path integral- the integral is taken to be along a closed loop, rather than along a segment of a coordinate axis.
 
That's what it must be: integral around a closed path. I've never used the term "circular integral" myself, or seen it in any of my textbooks, but a Google search shows that it does appear in some thermodynamics books.
 
Yes, it was in a chapter about thermodynamics.

My mom said that it was a volume-based integral, or something like that, but it's still a little bit unclear (partially because I only know how to integrate in a straight line)

And here is what it looks like:

[tex]\oint[/tex]
 
A circular integral is the integration around a closed path or surface. For example, Gauss's law says that
[tex]{\Phi} = \oint_S \mathbf{E} \cdot \mathrm{d}\mathbf{A} <br /> = {1 \over \varepsilon_0} \int_V \rho\ \mathrm{d}V = \frac{Q_A}{\varepsilon_0}[/tex]
where you're integrating around a closed surface (such as a sphere, or any other structure else where you can tell at every point whether you're inside or outside).
 
As others have pointed out, that's usually called a closed path integral (if you are integrating along a line or path).
 

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