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Ornum
May11-04, 11:33 AM
Hi, ive been trying to solve this integral for a while now, but im still making no headway, any help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.
\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx

Zurtex
May11-04, 12:00 PM
You tried splitting into partial fractions? I am just trying now :smile:

Zurtex
May11-04, 12:08 PM
Not 100% sure on this, you'll have to check it but I think:

\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{3x^2+3x+3} + \frac{1}{3-3x}

That looks much easier to integrate if it is true :smile:

Chrono
May11-04, 01:54 PM
Couldn't you rewrite it as
\int {(1-x)^{-3}} dx
and find the anti-dervative that way?

arildno
May11-04, 02:13 PM
Couldn't you rewrite it as
\int {(1-x)^{-3}} dx
and find the anti-dervative that way?
Because it is incorrect.

Chrono
May11-04, 02:20 PM
Because it is incorrect.

Oh, yeah. I see now. Only the x is cubed, not 1 - x

Zurtex
May11-04, 02:28 PM
From the little I understand from integration (and at a guess you probably understand about the same) I don't think you can integrate that any other way than my suggested:

\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx = \int \frac{x + 2}{3x^2+3x+3} + \frac{1}{3-3x}dx

It's fairly easy to manipulate that and make it possible to integrate.

JonF
May11-04, 05:20 PM
Im not sure how you got those equalities, I get…

\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^2+x+2}

arildno
May11-04, 05:31 PM
Im not sure how you got those equalities, I get…

\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^2+x+2}
Corrected:
\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{x + 2}{-x^4 -2x^{3}+x+2}
But this is not a partial fractions decomposition!!

JonF
May11-04, 07:38 PM
now im not sure how you are getting
+ \frac{1}{3-3x}dx

JonF
May11-04, 07:54 PM
im not sure if this is right, but this is what i did...

\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx

\int\frac{1}{(1-x)(1+x+x^2)}

\int((1-x)(1+x+x^2))^{-1}

let u = 1 + x + x^2
du = 1+2x dx

2\int (1+u)^{-1} du

2(u+\frac{u^2}{2})^{-1}

2(1+x+x^2+ \frac{(1+x+x^2)^2}{2})^{-1}

Parth Dave
May11-04, 09:28 PM
The only method i could think of for doing this question is using partial fractions.

With this you obtain:
A - B = 0
A + B - C = 0
A + C = 1
Therefore,
C = 2/3
A = B = 1/3

and f(x) =
(1/3) * (1/(1-x) + (x+2)/(1+x+x^2))

Which you would then integrate. (upon further review, its the same thing as what zurtex got)

JonF, it cant be done using substitution (or atleast i dont see it). You made an error when you were substituting.

Ebolamonk3y
May11-04, 10:25 PM
TI89ed it... didn't look too pretty!

JonF
May12-04, 02:19 PM
Argh, cursed arithmetic

Dr Transport
May12-04, 07:52 PM
\int{(1-x^{3})}^{-1}dx = -\frac{1}{3}ln(1-x)+\frac{1}{3}ln(x^{2}+2x\cos({\frac{\pi}{3}})+1)


It is equation 2.144.2 in Gradshteyn and Ryzhik, pg 64

Ebolamonk3y
May12-04, 11:07 PM
how evil! what an equation... is it any use to... umm... rememorize the table of integrals?

HallsofIvy
May13-04, 06:11 AM
im not sure if this is right, but this is what i did...

\int\frac{1}{1-x^3}dx

\int\frac{1}{(1-x)(1+x+x^2)}

\int((1-x)(1+x+x^2))^{-1}

No- you've lost the "-1" power in the first term. That should be

\int((1-x)^{-1}(1+x+x^2))^{-1}
and now the substitution doesn't work.

"how evil! what an equation... is it any use to... umm... rememorize the table of integrals?"

Believe it or not, it's actually easier to THINK!

In this case, you use "partial fractions" as you were told to begin with:
1-x3= (1- x)(1+ x+ x2 so
\frac{1}{1-x^3}= \frac{A}{1-x}+ \frac{Bx+C}{1+ x+ x^2}
for some numbers A, B, C.

Multiply that equation by 1-x3 and you get
1= A(x2+ x+ 1}+ (Bx+ C)(1-x)

Since this is true for all x, in particular if we let
x= 1, 1= 3A so A= 1/3

x= 0 1= A+ C= 1/3+ C so C= 2/3

x= -1 1= A+ (-B+C)(-2)= 1/3+ 2B- 4/3 so 2B= 2 or B= 1

Now we need to integrate
\frac{1/3}{1-x}+ \frac{(2/3)x+ 1}{x^2+x+1}

The first of those is just -(1/3)ln|1-x| (that's in Dr Transport's answer)

To do the second, complete the square: x2+ x+ 1= x2+ x+ 1/4+ 3/4= (x+1/2)2+ 3/4 so we break that into two integrals:
Now make the linear substitution u= x+ 1/2, du= dx, (2/3)x+ 1= (2/3)u- 1/3 and the integral becomes
\frac{(2/3)u}{u^2+ 3/4}- \frac{1/3}{u^2+3/4}

The first of those can be done by the further substitution v= u2+3/4 and the second is an arctangent. That might reduce to what Dr Transport gave but it can be difficult to show that!

Zurtex
May13-04, 11:00 AM
HallsofIvy, you seem to have got your partial fractions wrong. I tried making them into 1 fraction again and it didn't work. I am fairly sure that:

\frac{1}{1-x^3} = \frac{(1/3)(x + 2)}{x^2+x+1} + \frac{1/3}{1-x}

As I stated on the first page.

Parth Dave
May13-04, 04:47 PM
The way i was taught to do it was to expand everything out, bring together x^2, x... terms together, factor things out and see what you need. For this example, expanding and combining yields:

1 = A(x^2 + x + 1) + (Bx + C)(1-x)
1 = Ax^2 + Ax + A + Bx - Bx^2 + C - Cx
1 = (A - B)x^2 + (A + B - C)x + (A + C)

Since you have no x^2 or x terms:
(A - B) = 0 A = B
(A + C) = 1 A = 1 - C
(A + B - C) = 0

Substitude that all into the last equation:
2A - C = 0
2(1 - C) - C= 0
2 - 3C = 0
C = 2/3
A = 1/3
B = 1/3

which will give you zurtex's partial fractions.

x= -1 1= A+ (-B+C)(-2)= 1/3+ 2B- 4/3 so 2B= 2 or B= 1
you accidently got a negative on that two; otherwise you get the same as above.

Parth Dave
May17-04, 04:19 PM
after looking at this again, if you complete the square on the denominator you obtain:

(x + 2)/[(x + 1/2)^2 + 3/4]

using a trig substitution you should be able to solve it

Zurtex
May17-04, 04:38 PM
after looking at this again, if you complete the square on the denominator you obtain:

(x + 2)/[(x + 1/2)^2 + 3/4]

using a trig substitution you should be able to solve it
lol, sorry I could easily solve this if you want but I was just trying to help the person who made the thread to be put on the right track.