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brandy
Aug31-08, 06:21 AM
im just curious. is there a formula for the fibonacci formula in terms of..well terms. like the nth term =..?
iv been trying to figure it out for a couple of days now but am not that smart.

Santa1
Aug31-08, 06:26 AM
Look here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number#Relation_to_the_Golden_Ratio.

Defennder
Aug31-08, 09:19 AM
You could derive it, if you know enough elementary linear algebra and in particular diagonalisation of matrices. It's not that difficult. You start off with recursive definition of the n+1 and nth term and n-1 term, put them all into a matrix and show that it is diagonalisable, then write out the matrix equation.

brandy
Sep2-08, 01:57 AM
done the algebra but have only learnt +-x/ matrices.
how does the n+1 thing work
like i said am not that smart.

Defennder
Sep2-08, 02:01 AM
There are probably other ways to derive it, but I'm only familiar with the one with matrices. There's a current thread on this here:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1856158

HallsofIvy
Sep2-08, 04:00 AM
The terms in a Fibonacci sequence obey the recursive rule Fn+2= Fn+1+ Fn. One common way of solving such equations is to try a solution of the form Fn= an. Then Fn+1= an+1 and Fn+2= an+2 so the equation becomes an+2= an+1+ an. Dividing by an gives a2= a+ 1 or a2- a- 1= 0. Solving that by the quadratic formula,
a= \frac{1\pm\sqrt{5}}{2}
In other words,
F_n= \left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n
and
F_n= \left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n
both satisfy Fn+2= Fn+1+ Fn.

Since that is a linear equation, any solution of that equation can be written
A\left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+ B\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n

Now, looking at the first two terms of the Fibonacci sequence
F_0= A+ B= 1
and
F_1=A\left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)+ B\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)= 1
gives two equations to solve for A and B.

FeDeX_LaTeX
Aug6-10, 02:28 PM
Sorry for the bump, but could you show me how you would solve for A and B?

I'm not able to solve simultaneous equations in this form;

A + B = 1
Ax + By = 1

Thanks.

Mentallic
Aug6-10, 04:26 PM
Simply let B=1-A and then substitute this into the second equation, solve for A there and then substitute back into the first to find B.

FeDeX_LaTeX
Aug7-10, 02:55 AM
Of course! Solving by substitution. Thanks, I forgot about doing that.