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granpa
Jan12-09, 09:05 AM
the equation for the energy levels of a hydrogen-like atom is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/1/f/e1fff0de782fe5dfb583088b40a82165.png

Note that aμ, is approximately equal to a0, (the Bohr radius). If the mass of the nucleus is infinite then μ = me, and aμ = a0

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/b/1/7/b17195a99c8dbe999ce3f8bc86a6e03a.png

but what is the equation for the energy levels of a helium or helium-like atom? I've heard that heliums spectrum is simply 2 hydrogen spectrums superimposed so it should be quite simple.

malawi_glenn
Jan12-09, 11:58 AM
as far as I know, you can't solve those system exactly. Only two-body systems can be

granpa
Jan12-09, 12:12 PM
I'm not asking for a 'solution'. I'm asking what equation fits the empirically observed spectrum.

Vanadium 50
Jan12-09, 12:39 PM
But that's what a solution is.

granpa
Jan12-09, 12:49 PM
I'm not even going to touch that.

f95toli
Jan12-09, 04:05 PM
So what ARE you asking for then?
Are you asking if there is e.g. an interpolating polynomial (or more realistically; an expansion using some other bases; e.g. Lorentzians) that fits the shape of an experimental spectrum?

I doubt such a thing exist; it is of course possible to create but it would need to contain so many terms that it would be useless; it is much easier to look up the data in a table or just run a computer simulation.

Redbelly98
Jan16-09, 10:14 AM
In practice, as far as I know, people either look up the energy levels from a table or chart, OR they run computer simulations to calculate them.

For the simulations, you might do a search on Gordon W. F. Drake. He practically made a living from accurate calculations of helium, at least in the 1990's. Three references to his work are given here:

http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/Handbook/Tables/heliumtable7.htm

EDIT: Understanding Drake's calculations in any detail pretty much requires grad-school level quantum mechanics.

granpa
Jan16-09, 11:02 AM
thank you. that was extremely helpful.