Canonical Transformation/Poisson Brackets

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of the Poisson bracket [q_j, p_k] as part of exercise 2.7.3 from Shankar's "Quantum Mechanics." The correct formulation involves the expression [q_j, p_k] = ∑_n (∂q_j/∂q_n ∂p_k/∂p_n - ∂q_j/∂p_n ∂p_k/∂q_n). Participants emphasize the importance of using distinct indices for summation to avoid confusion, particularly noting that using 'k' as a dummy index can lead to errors in the derivation.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to show that [tex][q_j, p_k] = \delta_{jk}[/tex] (this is part of exercise 2.7.3 from Shankar's QM). I'm having difficulties with the summation notation.

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[tex][q_j, p_k] = \sum_{k} (\frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_k} \frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_k} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_k} \frac{\partial p_j}{\partial q_k}[/tex] [tex]= \sum_{k} - \delta_{jk} = \delta_{jk} ??[/tex]
I'm not so confident on my choice of 'k' as the summation variable. It seems to me the summation should not disappear like that. If I am interpreting this correctly, the negative sign isn't such a big deal... Can anyone check my work, I don't think I am doing it correctly
 
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Yes, you have to be careful about that. Left, the [tex]p_k[/tex] carries an index k. That means you shouldn't use k as a summation dummy index on the right hand side. Try working it out starting from the following:

[tex][q_j,p_k] = \sum_n \left( \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_n} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial q_n}\right)[/tex]

EDIT: mixed up the indices myself...
 
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There is more amiss here. The indices of the numerators are wrong as well. (we're talking about Poisson brackets here right?)

[tex] [q_j,p_k]=\sum_n \left( \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_n} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial q_n}\right)[/tex]
 

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