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mfc5200
Jul25-09, 04:41 PM
Can someone please explain the steps to derive this? I've seen it everywhere, but the explanation is never given.

My confusion arises from the second line. In EVERY math book I've ever picked up, whenever you take a derivative, it is ALWAYS with respective to something, i.e y w.r.t x, or some variable w.r.t time, etc. But in this example as shown in textbooks, it seems as though they are taking a derivative, but it is not w.r.t anything. For example, instead of saying dy/dx, they would just be saying dy, which doesn't really make any sense to me. I'm confused about this.

I haven't seen a good explanation of this type of derivative yet. I attached an example. Thanks
Cyrus
Jul25-09, 05:19 PM
It's just a differential area. You have not paid close enough attention to your math books. :wink:
FredGarvin
Jul26-09, 01:48 PM
Look up the product rule for derivatives. The dot implies the time derivative. Since all terms on both sides are wrt dt it cancels out.
apc3161
Jul26-09, 02:52 PM
Since all terms on both sides are wrt dt it cancels out.

Could you maybe say a little bit more about that. I think this is the part that is confusing me.
Cyrus
Jul26-09, 04:44 PM
It's a differential, it's not a derivative.
tiny-tim
Jul26-09, 05:33 PM
… But in this example as shown in textbooks, it seems as though they are taking a derivative, but it is not w.r.t anything. For example, instead of saying dy/dx, they would just be saying dy, which doesn't really make any sense to me. I'm confused about this.
It's a differential, it's not a derivative.

Hi mfc5200! :wink:

Does this help … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(infinitesimal) ? :smile:
Bob S
Jul26-09, 06:42 PM
Suppose

m-dot =pVA
then
d(m-dot)/dt = pV dA/dt + VA dp/dt + pA dV/dt
Now multiply both sides by dt.
mfc5200
Jul30-09, 12:10 PM
Suppose

m-dot =pVA
then
d(m-dot)/dt = pV dA/dt + VA dp/dt + pA dV/dt
Now multiply both sides by dt.

Yea, I was able to get that far. I just wasn't sure if you were "allowed" to do that. I've never seen that done before.
Cyrus
Jul30-09, 12:30 PM
Yea, I was able to get that far. I just wasn't sure if you were "allowed" to do that. I've never seen that done before.

You're not always allowed to do this. So, be aware of that.