Question about derivatives and differentials

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of differentials and how they relate to derivatives. It is clarified that dy/dx is not a ratio, but rather a limit of a fraction that can often be treated as a ratio. The definition of differentials is also discussed, as well as the practical use of treating derivatives as ratios in certain situations.
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I have an easy question which I've been thinking about for a while..

Lets say I want to take the derivative of a function y = f(x) with respect to x, we would get.

dy/dx = f'(x).

In the couple of books I've skimmed through, they all say that dy/dx is not a ratio but the notation that implied taking the derivative of y with respect to x.

Question:
If dy/dx is not a ratio then how come the differential of y is equal to f'(x)dx? It almost seems as they are multiplying both sides by dx. This can't be mathematically correct, can it? I would like to know mathematically how dy is equal to f'(x)dx.
 
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Less formally, yes, the derivative, dy/dx, is NOT a fraction but it is the limit of a fraction and as a result can often be treated as a fraction (go back before the limit, use the fraction property, and then take the limit again). In order to make that explicit, we define differentials by "dy = f'(x)dx. Strictly speaking, neither "dy" nor "dx" is defined separately- they must appear together.

(In differential geometry where we have vector functions or function values of other kinds of things than numbers "differentials" are given a slightly different (but equivalent) and more precise definition.)
 
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For practical purposes, you can almost always treat dy/dx as a ratio.
When you learn the chain rule, it says "dy/dx = (dy/du)(du/dx)" -- and you'll say, well, of course. Later on, when you come to partial derivatives, you have the seemingly strange result that the product of two partials that look like you could just "cancel" one differential will turn negative. So be a bit wary. But in the first calculus class, when you'll be doing "related rate" problems, you can confidently write things like,
dh/dt = (dV/dt)/(dV/dh), as if derivatives were ordinary fractions.
 

Related to Question about derivatives and differentials

1. What is the difference between a derivative and a differential?

A derivative is the rate of change of a function at a specific point, while a differential is the change in the value of a function due to a small change in the independent variable. In simpler terms, a derivative measures how much a function is changing at a specific point, while a differential measures how much the function changes when the independent variable changes by a small amount.

2. What is the purpose of finding derivatives and differentials?

Finding derivatives and differentials is essential in many areas of mathematics, science, and engineering. They allow us to analyze the rate of change of a function, which is crucial in understanding processes such as motion, growth, and decay. Derivatives and differentials are also used in optimization problems, where we want to find the maximum or minimum values of a function.

3. How do you find a derivative or differential of a function?

To find a derivative, we use a mathematical formula called the derivative rule, which involves taking the limit of a difference quotient. For differentials, we use a similar process called differential calculus, where we take the partial derivative of a function with respect to the independent variable. However, for simple functions, we can also use basic rules and formulas to find derivatives and differentials.

4. Can derivatives and differentials be negative?

Yes, derivatives and differentials can be negative. The sign of a derivative or differential depends on the direction of the change in the function. For example, if a function is decreasing, the derivative will be negative, and if it is increasing, the derivative will be positive. Similarly, the sign of a differential will depend on whether the independent variable is increasing or decreasing.

5. What is the relationship between derivatives and differentials?

Derivatives and differentials are closely related, as they both involve measuring the change in a function. The derivative is the instantaneous rate of change, while the differential is the change in the function due to a small change in the independent variable. We can also say that the derivative is the slope of the tangent line to a function at a specific point, while the differential is the slope of the secant line between two points on a function.

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