How Do You Prove the Schwarz Inequality?

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The discussion revolves around proving the Schwarz inequality in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically involving inner products of vectors in a Hilbert space.

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate the inner product using a defined quantity and expresses confusion about the next steps and identities related to inner products. Some participants question the formulation of the relevant equations and suggest defining a new quantity to facilitate the proof. Others clarify the process of taking adjoints and the implications of linearity in inner products.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's posts, seeking clarification on definitions and steps in the proof. There is a collaborative effort to understand the transformation of kets to bras and the implications for the inner product. While there is no explicit consensus, the discussion is progressing with helpful guidance being shared.

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There is some confusion regarding the notation and the definitions used in the equations, particularly concerning the roles of the vectors involved and the assumptions made about their relationships.

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Homework Statement



Prove the schwarz inequality:

[tex]|<\alpha|\beta>|^2\leq<\alpha|\alpha><\beta|\beta>[/tex]

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[tex]<\alpha|\alpha>\geq 0[/tex]

[tex]|\alpha>=|\beta>-\left(\frac{<\alpha|\beta>}{<\alpha|\alpha>}\right )|\alpha>[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



The first step would obviously be to evaluate the first equation using the second:

[tex]<\alpha|\alpha>=\left <|\beta>-\left(\frac{<\alpha|\beta>}{<\alpha|\alpha>}\right )|\alpha>\middle | |\beta>-\left(\frac{<\alpha|\beta>}{<\alpha|\alpha>}\right )|\alpha>\right>[/tex]

..And from here I am kind of stumped. I am familiar with the identity [tex]<a+b|c>=<a|c>+<b|c>[/tex], however what would the identity be for [tex]<a+b|a+b>[/tex]? Am I even going in the right direction here?


In Shanker's Principles of Quantum Mechanics 2nd ed. Pg 17, it says that the next step is:

[tex]=<\beta|\beta>-\frac{<\alpha|\beta><\beta|\alpha>}{<\alpha|\alpha>}-\frac{<\alpha|\beta>^*<\alpha|\beta>}{<\alpha|\alpha>}[/tex]

I am not understanding this logic. I know that [tex]<\alpha|\beta>[/tex] represents the inner product of [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\beta[/tex], respectfully, but I do not understand how he gets to that step.
 
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For a start I don't understand your second relevant equation; you've got alpha on both sides. Are you choosing a beta (resp. alpha) such that that equation holds for each given alpha (resp. beta)?

I think you want to define a new quantity [tex]|\gamma \rangle[/tex]:

[tex]|\gamma \rangle=|\beta \rangle-\left(\frac{\langle \alpha|\beta \rangle}{\langle \alpha|\alpha \rangle}\right )|\alpha \rangle[/tex].

Now we want to take the adjoint; that is essentially replace all bras with kets and all complex numbers with their complex conjugates: some examples
If
[tex]|\gamma \rangle = i |\alpha \rangle[/tex]
then
[tex]\langle \gamma | = -i \langle \alpha |[/tex]

Or If
[tex]|\gamma \rangle = \langle \alpha | \beta \rangle |\alpha \rangle[/tex]
then
[tex]\langle \gamma | = \langle \beta | \alpha \rangle \langle \alpha |[/tex]

(Why? Remember changing the order of the inner product gives the complex conjugate).

Your linearity equations are right. You should be able to follow Shankar if you rewrite the equation for [tex]\langle \gamma | \gamma \rangle[/tex] correctly.
 
Thanks for the reply fantispug!

Yes; I apologize I meant for that to be gamma instead of alpha. So are you staying I should take the adjoint of the new quantity, or the adjoint of the inner product of the new quantity with itself?

Also: did you mean:

[tex]|\gamma \rangle =i|\gamma \rangle[/tex]

instead of

[tex]|\gamma \rangle = i |\alpha \rangle[/tex]

?

So if I rewrite what I had in my original post with gamma instead of alpha, we have:

[tex] \langle \gamma|\gamma \rangle=\left < |\beta \rangle-\left(\frac{\langle\alpha|\beta\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )|\alpha\rangle\middle | |\beta\rangle-\left(\frac{\langle\alpha|\beta\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )|\alpha\rangle\right>[/tex]

And taking the adjoint (I think I am doing this right):[tex] \langle \gamma|\gamma \rangle=\left < \langle\beta|^*-\left(\frac{\langle\beta|\alpha\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )\langle\alpha|\middle | \langle\beta|^*-\left(\frac{\langle\beta|\alpha\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )\langle\alpha|\right>[/tex]

?
 
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IHateMayonnaise said:
So are you staying I should take the adjoint of the new quantity, or the adjoint of the inner product of the new quantity with itself?

I'm pretty sure he meant take the adjoint of the Ket [itex]\vert\gamma\rangle[/itex], in order to obtain the Bra [itex]\langle\gamma\vert[/itex], since (as you should have learned)

[tex]\vert\gamma\rangle^\dagger=\langle\gamma\vert[/tex]

for any Ket [itex]\vert\gamma\rangle[/itex]

Also: did you mean:

[tex]|\gamma \rangle =i|\gamma \rangle[/tex]

instead of

[tex]|\gamma \rangle = i |\alpha \rangle[/tex]

Again, I'm pretty sure he meant exactly what he posted...he is simply providing an example for the ket defined by the equation [itex]|\gamma \rangle \equiv i |\alpha \rangle[/itex] (this is a different gamma than the one you will use in your problem, it is just an example to demonstrate how to turn kets into bras)

For this example,

[tex]\langle\gamma\vert=\vert\gamma\rangle^\dagger=\left(i\vert\alpha\rangle\right)^\dagger=-i\langle\alpha\vert[/tex]

So if I rewrite what I had in my original post with gamma instead of alpha, we have:

[tex] \langle \gamma|\gamma \rangle=\left < |\beta \rangle-\left(\frac{\langle\alpha|\beta\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )|\alpha\rangle\middle | |\beta\rangle-\left(\frac{\langle\alpha|\beta\rangle}{\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle}\right )|\alpha\rangle\right>[/tex]

No, if [itex]|\gamma \rangle=|\beta \rangle-\left(\frac{\langle \alpha|\beta \rangle}{\langle \alpha|\alpha \rangle}\right )|\alpha \rangle[/itex]. then

[tex]\langle\gamma\vert=|\gamma \rangle^\dagger=\left(|\beta \rangle-\left(\frac{\langle \alpha|\beta \rangle}{\langle \alpha|\alpha \rangle}\right )|\alpha \rangle \right)^\dagger[/tex]
 
Got it, thanks yall!
 

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