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dakg
Oct15-09, 03:45 PM
Ok I have seen the tensor double dot scalar product defined two ways and it all boils down to how the multiplication is defined. Does anyone know which is correct? I believe the first one is correct but I keep seeing the second one in various books on finite element methods.

1. \nabla \vec{u} \colon \nabla \vec{v} = u_{i,j} v_{j,i}

or

2. \nabla \vec{u} \colon \nabla \vec{v} = u_{i,j} v_{i,j}


Thank you in advance,
dakg

espen180
Oct15-09, 06:23 PM
You mean outer multiplication between two vectors, right? The definition i have seen (using index notation) is, in D dimensions,

\vec{u} \otimes \vec{v}= a_{ij}=u_i v_j\;,\;1\leq i,j \leq D

dakg
Oct15-09, 07:45 PM
sorry there is a \nabla missing

i'll edit it

dakg
Oct15-09, 07:48 PM
i have it in there but it isn't printing, let me try here

\nabla \vec{u} \colon \nabla \vec{v}

lurflurf
Oct15-09, 08:21 PM
The first one is more common, but it is a matter of convention.

dakg
Oct15-09, 08:36 PM
Do you know why? I found the first one in a Lightfoot book on transport.

They make different results, so wouldn't one be correct and the other wrong?

lurflurf
Oct16-09, 03:16 AM
Not wrong just different.
log(e)=1
log(10)=1
3*5+2=17
3*5+2=21
Here are examples of conventions that can lead to confusion.
The convention here (using dyadic product for an example) is
1) (ab):(cd)=(a.d)(b.c) the usual rule
2) (ab):(cd)=(a.c)(b.d) the other rule
The usual rule proably is choosen because of matrix algebra
ie to be the same as matrix product