What is the difference btw 2 loops?

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The discussion centers on the differences between a rotating conducting loop with charge distributed over it and a stationary loop with current flowing through it. Participants explore the implications for magnetic force and field calculations, as well as the relationship between angular velocity and current.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the differences in effects on magnetic force and field between a rotating loop with charge and a stationary loop with current.
  • Another participant suggests that if the current in the stationary loop matches the velocity of particles in the rotating loop, the magnetic fields will be the same, but notes the mechanical energy aspect of the rotating loop.
  • A different viewpoint states that while both loops may have the same current density, the rotating loop also implies an electric field that must be considered when calculating forces on charged particles.
  • There is a query about how to relate the angular velocity to the current, specifically how to calculate the charge passing a point during one revolution and the time taken for that revolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the charge density and the implications of the electric field in the rotating loop scenario. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationship between the two configurations and their effects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about charge density and the definitions of current and angular velocity, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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What is the difference btw 2 conducting loops?

Hello.

What is the difference between a conducting loop with charge q distributed over the loop that is rotating and a stationary loop with current flowing around the loop?

Do they have the same effect when it comes to calculating magnetic force and field?

If so how do you relate the angular velocity w to current I?
 
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Both have the same charge density and if the current is the same as the velocity of the particles in the rotating loop the magnetic filed will also be the same.

One difference though is when we consider a phsyical loop (made of, say, iron), it carries mass, so there is mechanical (rotational) energy in a rotating loop due to the whole loop moving, but with a current it's just the electrons moving.
 
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Both have the same charge density and if the current is the same as the velocity of the particles in the rotating loop the magnetic filed will also be the same.
I'd say they don't have the same charge density but the same current density. So they produce the same magnetic field, but the "charged ring" situation implies also an electric field which has to be considered when you compute the force on another charged particle.

About w and I: How much charge passes by at a point during one complete revolution? How long does this revolution take? Then [tex]I=\frac {\Delta Q} {\Delta t}[/tex]
 
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