What is the Probability of Measuring 2a in State |\varphi (t)\rangle\right?

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The discussion revolves around finding the probability, P_{2a}(t), of measuring a specific value (2a) for a quantum observable represented by the operator A in a given state |\varphi(t)\rangle. The problem involves concepts from quantum mechanics, particularly eigenvalues and eigenvectors of operators.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to diagonalize the matrix representing the operator A to find its eigenvalues and eigenvectors. There is uncertainty about the normalization of eigenvectors and the correct application of probability formulas. Questions arise regarding the proper use of the eigenvectors in calculating the probability and the normalization process.

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Some participants have identified the correct eigenvalues and are attempting to normalize the eigenvectors. There is ongoing clarification about the probability calculation, with some guidance provided on normalization and the use of complex conjugates. Multiple interpretations of the normalization process are being explored.

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Participants express confusion regarding the normalization of certain eigenvectors and the implications for calculating probabilities. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in previous calculations and a focus on ensuring correct mathematical procedures are followed.

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Homework Statement


Find the probability, [itex]P_{2a}(t)[/itex], that a measurement of the quantity [itex]A[/itex] in
the state [itex]|\varphi (t)\rangle\right[/itex] will yield the value [itex]2a[/itex].


Homework Equations


[tex]\hat{A}|1\rangle\right = a(|1\rangle\right - i|2\rangle\right[/tex]
[tex]\hat{A}|2\rangle\right = a(i|1\rangle\right + |2\rangle\right[/tex]
[tex]\hat{A}|3\rangle\right = -2a(|3\rangle\right[/tex]

[tex]A = \[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a & ia & 0 \\<br /> -ia & a & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 0 & -2a\end{array} \right)\][/tex]

[tex]|\varphi (t)\rangle\right = \[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> cos(wt) \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> -isin(wt) \end{array} \right)\][/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I kinda suck at finding these probabilities. So I'm not sure what to do, since it asks for [itex]2a[/itex]. Is it just:
[tex]P(2a) = \left|\langle\psi_j|\Psi\rangle\right|^2,[/tex]
where [itex]\psi_j = \varphi[/itex] and [itex]\Psi = A|3\rangle\right[/itex], or am I just not getting it ?


Regards.
 
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You need to find the eigenvectors and eigenvalues of the matrix, A, in terms of the basis vectors you are given. So basically you need to diagonalize the matrix you are given. This will give you 3 eigenvectors that are superpositions of the states: [itex]|1\rangle,|2\rangle,|3\rangle[/itex].

Once you have the eigenvectors of 'A': [itex]|1'\rangle, |2'\rangle, |3'\rangle[/itex] (all of which you need to properly normalize) and their corresponding eigenvectors. Then you will choose the eigenvector [itex]|u'\rangle[/itex] with the eigenvalue, +2a. Since this will be the superposition state the wavefunction will collapse to once you measure the property A and find its value +2a.

Finally, as you said before, the probability of finding this superposition state is:

[tex]P(2a) = \frac{\left|\langle u'|\varphi(t)\rangle\right|^2}{\left|\langle \varphi(t)|\varphi(t) \rangle \right|^2}[/tex]
 
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So I get the eigenvectors to be:

[itex][-i,1,0][/itex], [itex][0,0,1][/itex] and [itex][i,1,0][/itex].

Normalized they will become:

[itex][\frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}}, 0, 1][/itex], [itex][\frac{1}{\sqrt{2},0][/itex], and the last one can't be normalized, or am I wrong ?

The eigenvalues is:

[itex][0, -2a, 2a],[/itex]

So I need to use the 3rd eigenvector ?

And using the formula, I get that the probability must be:

[tex]P_{2a} = \frac{cos^{2}(wt)}{4},[/tex]
or am I way off ?Regards, and sorry for the late reply.
 
You have the correct eigenvectors, but the normalized versions of them are wrong. You are correct about the eigenvalues and choosing the third eigenvector. But your probability is wrong. Double check the denominator in that probability.
 
Think I screwed up the normalized eigenvectors. It should be:

[itex][\frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, 0][/itex], [itex][0,0,1][/itex], and then again, the 3rd and last, I don't think I can normalize, since [itex]\sqrt{i^{2} + 1^{1} + 0} = \sqrt{0}[/itex]

And I think I used the 3rd eigenvector instead of [itex]\varphi(t)[/itex] in the denominator, so that's why I got it wrong. It should of course be:

[tex]P_{2a} = cos^{2}(wt)[/tex]

Or maybe divided by 2 if I can normalize the eigenvector as the 1st one ?
 
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The third vector should normalized the same as the first.

You want to multiply the vector by some normalization constant and solve for that constant. Remember that the magnitude of a vector is the dot product of itself with its complex conjugate. I believe you are leaving off the complex conjugate in the multiplication.
 
Yup... I see now :)

Once again, thank you very much.
 

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