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Lancelot59
Oct10-10, 09:35 PM
It's a gas problem:

3 volumes N2 and 1 volume of H2 react at 344 degrees Celsius to form NH3. The equilibrium total pressure is 110 ATM and is 41.49% NH3 by volume. Find Kp assuming the gases behave ideally.

So I started by assuming that I had 100L of gas. I worked the ICE table like so:

3H2 + N2 <--> 2NH3
75L_____25L_____0L
-3x_____-x______+2x
12.765L_4.255L___41.49L

Well this gives me volumes. But it's wrong. This is clearly not working. How can I go about it correctly?

Borek
Oct11-10, 03:09 AM
Why is it not working? I can be missing something, but I think you are on the right track, just not there yet.

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Lancelot59
Oct11-10, 01:13 PM
Well to be honest I have no idea what to do now. I have their volumes, but without knowing how many mols of each I have I can't determine their concentrations. Also, I started with 100L, and ended up with only 58.51L at equlibrium...something seems wrong there.

Borek
Oct11-10, 01:36 PM
Can you calculate partial pressure of the ammonia at equilibrium? Sum of partial pressures of other gases? Assuming you started with stoichiometric mixture of gases, can you split this sum into pressures of other gases?

Lancelot59
Oct11-10, 08:13 PM
I can't see a way to get the pressure of ammonia. I don't know how many mols I have, so the ideal gas law is out.

Borek
Oct12-10, 04:45 AM
Not exactly out.

Number of moles of gas is - for a given p, T - directly proportional to its V. If gas occupies half the volume, it also has half the moles of the mixture. This will not give you number of moles, but it will give you their ratio.

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Lancelot59
Oct12-10, 10:21 AM
I see where you're going, but I'm confused.

Lets say this fake gas at 110atm is: 30% X 60%Y and 10%Z by pressure. The empirical formula for the mixture is 3X 6Y Z?

Borek
Oct12-10, 11:19 AM
You can put it that way, although it is better to say that mole fraction of X is 0.3, of Y 0.6 and of Z 0.1. Then you can use molar fractions to calculate pressure (Dalton's law).