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daniel3777
Oct11-04, 09:41 PM
can anyone give me an equation for the rate that an ideal gas expands in a temperature change. like when a gas goes from 30 degrees to 50 degrees in a baloon. how quickly would it expand?

mrjeffy321
Oct11-04, 10:04 PM
you need to use the ideal gas law to figure it out.
Let P be the pressure of a gas, V the volume it occupies, and T its temperature (which must be in absolute temperature units, i.e., in Kelvin). Then the ideal gas law states

PV = nRT


where n is the number of moles of gas present and R is the universal gas constant, or equivalently


it would expand to the new volume as the gas temperature inccreases, there isnt a real amount of time it takes to expand, it just expands as the temperature increases. if the temperature were to suddenly increase by 20 degrees, then the gas would suddenly expand to the the new volume, but normaly it would be a gradual process because the temperture increasing is a gradual process.

movies
Oct12-04, 12:24 AM
Well, the ideal gas law is only valid for static systems, right? So I guess the answer would be that it would take as long as was needed for the system to re-equilibrate at the new parameters.

chem_tr
Oct12-04, 01:03 AM
Maybe you can try to use diffusion alternative... Diffusion rate changes in an indirectly proportional way with the molecular mass.

gravenewworld
Oct12-04, 04:54 AM
It seems to me that you would have to take the partial derivative of Volume with respect to T so you would get dV/DT=nR/P. So if pressure and amount of gas is held constant, the rate at which it expands is constant.

gravenewworld
Oct12-04, 06:18 AM
This is basically the same thing that Guy-Lussac's law says. V=kT where k is some constant. So for example, if T doubles then volume will double (only if pressure and the amount of gas is held constant). Writing dV/dT=nR/P is just a more "sophisticated" way of stating the same thing.