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Wave's_Hand_Particle
Oct17-04, 08:47 PM
Can a Liquid, say a litre devided in half and half again etc, be reduced down to a single atom?..or would the process only reduce to a finite measure..say two atoms?
There is a follow up, but for now I want some yes or no answers.
Wave's_Hand_Particle
Oct18-04, 10:02 PM
Can a Liquid, say a litre devided in half and half again etc, be reduced down to a single atom?..or would the process only reduce to a finite measure..say two atoms?
There is a follow up, but for now I want some yes or no answers.
Can a Liquid, say a litre devided in half and half again etc, be reduced down to a single atom?..or would the process only reduce to a finite measure..say two atoms?
There is a follow up, but for now I want some yes or no answers.
Ok a little to complicated?
I have a flask containing a liquid, I have two other empty flasks, that I empty the liquid into, so I devide liquid into two flasks containing equal 'parts', thus completing STAGE-ONE.
I now take the two flasks of liquids, and pour each into another set of empty flasks, repeating as identical the first stage process, thus completing STAGE-TWO.
I complete all stages until I have arrived to a point wherby I have a vast number of flasks, each with a single molecule of liquid.
1) This is 'SEPARATION' rather than reductionism.
I now want to progress to REDUCE a single molecule into its base components, if I choose any of the separate molecules, this will not have any different effect of my ability to reduce and record data.
2) What phase are I going to?.. LIQUID to a GAS or LIQUID to SOLID?..and is there a correlated function that is fixed by a law, for any further reduction?..what is the bog-standard process needed for breaking/separating a single molecule into fundamental ATOMIC components?..without adding or taking away any component needed for a precise measurement to be attained.
Now all seems pretty basic, but I want to clarify the processes of Separation as opposed to Reductionism, where is the line drawn? specifically do I allways need to smash TWO atoms from the process of seperation for a further examination, if so then the process of Separation attains a limit fir any process that involves Singular Measurements?
Example:
3) A photon is sent into a beam 'splitter' is this process Separation or Reductionism?
4)Is there a limit for PHASE transformations?..can there be some directions one cannot obvious interject..ie from Solids to Liquid to Gas's in a way that Entropy does not allow to occur?
5) Are single Protons/Neutrons classes as Solids , Liquids or Gas phase components
6)Is Entropy, Phase dependant?
7)Is Relativity Phase reliant?
8)Is Quantum Mechanics reductionism or Seperation?
9)Do beam splitters induce inter-phase correlations?..can an entangled photon be sent into two different Phase enviroments a Solid and Liquid?
10)Is Quark Confinement related/consequence, to the phase of matter?
11)Is the wave-function of the Universe correlated to Quark Confinement?
Wave's_Hand_Particle
Oct19-04, 01:55 AM
Basic Question, How does one Isolate one self from a system, and STILL, recieve information? what are the paramiters needed, are they contained by QM or GR.
This is sort of a trick question, and its relevence is contained within another thread ;)
ZapperZ
Oct19-04, 06:37 AM
I will be tacky and point out that I have addressed this issue of "reductionism" several times. This includes a rather tedious essay in my journal addressing the idea of reductionism and the possible fallacy of "The Theory of Everything". There are a few very important references there, especially the one pertaining to why phenomenon such as superconductivity cannot be looked at the way you are exactly doing here.
Zz.
Wave's_Hand_Particle
Oct19-04, 06:45 AM
Thanks, a link to your journal, or maybe on PF?.. I presume this is so, and will read your take on this.
Cool, I read some of your journal, I take it the 20th-9 part is very relevant.
I will enjoy a further reading of your journal in its entirety, thanks for actually taking the time to put your opinions,(precise knowledge) for everyones benefit.
Wave's_Hand_Particle
Oct19-04, 03:45 PM
Two interesting recent papers :
http://uk.arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0410408
and:
http://uk.arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0410425
Wave's_Hand_Particle
Nov15-04, 01:38 AM
Thanks, a link to your journal, or maybe on PF?.. I presume this is so, and will read your take on this.
Cool, I read some of your journal, I take it the 20th-9 part is very relevant.
I will enjoy a further reading of your journal in its entirety, thanks for actually taking the time to put your opinions,(precise knowledge) for everyones benefit.
Is the probability of me separating the #First# amount in stage one, equivelent, equal in probability as in the final stage?..put another way is the chance of me seperating a TWO part molocule into TWO flasks viable?..can a Single Atom be In Isolation!
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