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CyberShot
Apr5-11, 09:25 PM
I saw in a QM mechanics book the following wave function:


psi(x) = A*[1 - e^(ikx)]

what is the complex conjugate of this wave function?

isnt it just psi*(x) = A*[1 - e^(-ikx)]

but when you multiply psi(x) by psi*(x) shouldn't you get a real value?

How come I don't?

G01
Apr5-11, 09:54 PM
Check again. You do get a real function. Remember Euler's identity. After you multiply everything out, you can rewrite the remaining exponentials in terms of trig functions:

(1-e^{ikx})(1-e^{-ikx})=1-(e^{ikx}+e^{-ikx})+ e^{ikx}e^{-ikx}=2-2cos(kx)

CyberShot
Apr5-11, 10:55 PM
Check again. You do get a real function. Remember Euler's identity. After you multiply everything out, you can rewrite the remaining exponentials in terms of trig functions:

(1-e^{ikx})(1-e^{-ikx})=1-(e^{ikx}+e^{-ikx})+ e^{ikx}e^{-ikx}=2-2cos(kx)

Of course!

Thanks, and sorry for being an idiot. -_-

CyberShot
Apr5-11, 11:37 PM
I have another question.

What would the average of the square of the momentum look like?

I know that <p> = integral[ psi*(x) (hbar/i) d/dx (psi(x)) ] dx

how would you determine <p^2> ?

is it just

<p^2> = integral[ psi*(x) (hbar/i) second derivative (psi(x)) ] dx

The_Duck
Apr6-11, 12:37 AM
Almost. In general, for some operator A,

<A> = \int \psi^* A \psi dx

and p = -i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}

so p^2 = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = -\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}

CyberShot
Apr6-11, 01:49 AM
Almost. In general, for some operator A,

<A> = \int \psi^* A \psi dx

and p = -i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}

so p^2 = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = -\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}

Why isn't it just

p^2 = (p)(p) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})^2

?

Edit: Hmm, is it because p is not an ordinary variable in that its an operator?

if so, how come < x^2 > = x \\int \\ psi^* \\psi dx

is x not an operator?

The_Duck
Apr6-11, 03:38 AM
Why isn't it just

p^2 = (p)(p) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})^2

?

Edit: Hmm, is it because p is not an ordinary variable in that its an operator?

Your form is equivalent to my form; I have simply distributed the exponent. Indeed p is an operator and not a number: p^2 is the operator "apply p twice" (and the action of p is to differentiate the wave function and multiply by -i*h-bar). Often one puts hats on operators to distinguish them from numbers.

if so, how come < x^2 > = x \\int \\ psi^* \\psi dx

is x not an operator?

Your tex seems a bit messed up; the correct equation is

<x^2> = \int \psi^* x^2 \psi dx