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The discussion revolves around the equation U = (3/2)nRT, exploring its applicability to different types of gases, particularly in the context of thermodynamics. Participants examine the degrees of freedom associated with monatomic and diatomic gases and the implications for internal energy calculations.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that U = (3/2)nRT is true for monatomic ideal gases, linking it to the concept of degrees of freedom.
  • Another participant counters that this relationship does not hold in all cases, specifically noting that diatomic gases have additional degrees of freedom, leading to U = (5/2)nRT.
  • A subsequent post seeks clarification on the general formula U = (f/2)nRT, where f represents degrees of freedom.
  • One participant introduces the equipartition theorem, explaining how it contributes to the calculation of internal energy based on degrees of freedom and noting an interesting case with diatomic hydrogen gas.
  • The same participant highlights a discrepancy between theoretical expectations for U and experimental findings, particularly regarding vibrational contributions at room temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the equation U = (3/2)nRT to various gases, with some agreeing on the role of degrees of freedom while others emphasize the limitations of this relationship for diatomic gases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the contributions of vibrational energy at different temperatures.

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Participants reference the equipartition theorem and degrees of freedom, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the temperature dependence of vibrational contributions and the specific conditions under which the equations apply.

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Why does U = (3/2)nRT?
 
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Thats not true in all cases. Its onlytrue for , if I remember correctly, monatomic ideal gases. The reason why its true has to do with the "degrees of freedom" of the gas. Monoatomic gaese have only 3 degrees of freedom(they can only move in the x, y and z directions and cannot rotate) For diatomic gases, it would be U = 5/2 nRT since we added two more degrees of freedom(two planes of rotation)
 
Yes i understand. I should have asked why

U=(f/2)nRT
where f = degrees of freedom
 
This is done by the equi partition theorem.
It states that we add 1/2KT per degree of freedom and 1KT per degree of Vibrational freedom.
An interesting case is when we consider a diatomic gas like Hyrdogen gas.
We expect U to be
[tex]N_a[ \frac{3}{2}KT + \frac{2}{2}KT + 1KT][/tex]

from velocities in x,y,z directions, the rotation about x,y and vibrational (1/2mv^2 and 1/2kx^2) respectivley
ie,
[tex]= \frac{7}{2}RT[/tex]


But experimentally we find that
[tex]U= \frac{5}{2}RT[/tex]

This is because at room temperature vibration does not seem to contribute

Therefore [tex]\gamma = \frac{7}{5}[/tex] at room temperature
 

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