How do I calculate the additional energy needed to escape Earth's orbit?

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The discussion centers around calculating the energy required to place a satellite into orbit around Earth and the additional energy needed for the satellite to escape Earth's orbit. Participants explore concepts of gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the total energy involved in orbital mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the calculation of total energy needed for a satellite in orbit, suggesting a discrepancy in the use of gravitational potential energy (Eg) and kinetic energy (Ek).
  • Another participant emphasizes that the work done by gravity is related to the change in potential energy, indicating a foundational principle in the calculations.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their own energy calculation for placing the satellite in orbit, arriving at a different value than previously mentioned.
  • It is noted that a significant portion of the energy required for orbit is kinetic energy, not just potential energy from lifting the satellite.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the meaning of Eg as gravitational potential energy, along with equations related to total energy and kinetic energy.
  • One participant describes their method of calculating total energy by integrating the force of gravity to find potential energy, leading to a specific numerical result.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and the definitions of energy components, indicating that multiple competing approaches and values exist without a clear consensus on the correct method or final energy values.

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Participants reference various equations and methods for calculating energy, but there are indications of potential misunderstandings or miscalculations that remain unresolved. The discussion includes different interpretations of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of orbital mechanics.

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1. How can i prove that Eg = mgh

2. What is the total energy needed to place a 2.0x10^3-kg satellite into circular Earth orbit at an altitude of 5.0x10^2 km?

For number 2, the answer is apparently 6.7x10^10J. However, shouldn't Total Energy = 1/2 (Eg)? If that is the case, the answer would be 5.8x10^10J.

(P.S. in the question after this, i must calculate the additional energy required to allow the object to escape Earth's orbit, and the answer is 5.8x10^10J).
 
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1. Remember that the work done by a conservative force such as gravity is defined as the negative of the change in the potential energy. You can easily prove it from the definition of work as force X distance, in the simplest scenario in which you consider a constant gravitational force applied to an object that happens to be moving vertically upward in a straight line.
 
For the energy to put the satellite in orbit, how are calculating it? I get 9.36 X 10^9 J. (I might have made a mistake...) Also, what is "Eg"? I'm not familiar with that term.
 
Don't forget that most of the energy required to put a satellite into orbit goes into kinetic energy! Merely lifting it 500 km won't get you very far.
 
1. Eg is gravitational potential energy

2. I learned the following equations:


Etotal = -(GMm)/r
 
1. Eg is gravitational potential energy

2. I learned the following equations:


Etotal = -0.5(GMm)/r
Ek = -Eg


Ek is kinetic energy, G is the grav. constant, m is the mass of the satellite, is the mass of the Earth and r is the distance of the satellite from the centre of the Earth.
 
OK, I got 6.77 X 10^10 J by adding the KE ((G*m1*m2)/(2*d)) to the PE. I got the PE (9.36 X 10^9 J) by integrating the force of gravity (G*m1*m2/d^2) with respect to the distance from the Earth's surface to the height of the orbit.
 

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