What is the relationship between tautomers and pka in terms of pH?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between tautomers and pKa in the context of pH levels, specifically focusing on how these factors influence the predominance of amino/imino and keto/enol forms. The scope includes theoretical aspects of acid-base chemistry and tautomerism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the pKa value of 3.8 for a base, suggesting it is more characteristic of an acid like acetic acid, which has a pKa around 4.7.
  • Another participant states that if the pH is above the pKa, the species is expected to be deprotonated, while if below, it is protonated.
  • There is a proposal that keto-enol and amino-imino tautomerism may not be directly related to pKa values, with a suggestion that special tautomers might be needed to explain certain reaction mechanisms.
  • One participant clarifies that the discussion may be referring to imino-enamine tautomers rather than amino-imine, comparing them to alcohols and ketones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of pKa to tautomerism, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the relationship between these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the appropriate pKa values for bases and acids, as well as the specific types of tautomers being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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in terms of pka and tautomers
if a base has a pka of 3.8
with a ph below and above the pka would the amino or imino group predominate
and with a ph above and below the pka would a keto or enol predominate. I am a little confused figuring them out
Nikki
 
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First, a base should have a pKa much higher than 3.8; this better fits an acid like acetic acid whose pKa is around 4.7. If you are above the pKa value, you can expect it to be deprotonated like A; below pKa it is surely protonated as in HA.

I presume that keto-enol or amino-imino tautomerism has nothing to do with pKa much. We sometimes need a special tautomer to explain the reaction types as in mechanisms.
 
I assume that you mean imino-enamine tautomers. Amines and imines are more like alcohols and ketones.
 
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