Theory Proving Everything Has a Beginning?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether there is a theory in physics that proves everything has a beginning. Participants explore various theories and philosophical concepts related to the origins of the universe and causality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the Principle of Causality as a potential theory indicating that every physical event is caused by a prior event.
  • Others mention Aquinas's "Prime Mover" as a philosophical perspective on the beginning of everything, distinguishing it from purely physical theories.
  • General relativity is discussed as implying that spacetimes must have begun a finite time ago from a singular state, which some participants relate to the Big Bang theory.
  • A participant introduces Eugene Savov's theory of interaction, which posits that everything has a source based on the fact of existence.
  • There is a contention regarding the Big Bang theory's ability to describe conditions at t = 0, with some asserting that it cannot go back to that point due to uncertainties in physics.
  • The pre-big bang theory is mentioned as a concept suggesting something existed before the Big Bang, but its validity and definition are debated among participants.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of causation in relation to the pre-big bang theory, questioning its status as a scientific theory.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of general relativity, the Big Bang theory, and the pre-big bang theory. There is no consensus on the validity or implications of these theories regarding the question of whether everything has a beginning.

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The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions and assumptions underlying the theories mentioned, particularly concerning the nature of singularities and causation. The scope of the theories is also not fully resolved, leaving room for further exploration.

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I heard there is a theory in physics that proves that everything has a beginning. Is this true? If so, does anyone know the exact name of the theory?


Any help is appreciated.
 
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Originally posted by Cod
I heard there is a theory in physics that proves that everything has a beginning. Is this true? If so, does anyone know the exact name of the theory?


Any help is appreciated.

Perhaps you are referring to the Principle of Causality, which says that every physical event (including the existence of a physical object) is caused by some other, prior event. That's if you're talking about each "thing" individually.

If you're talking about "everything" as a whole, then you probably mean Aquinas's "Prime Mover"*, which is generally considered to belong more to the realm of philosophy than physics.



* frequently referred to hear in the Forums as, "LifeGazer's primary cause argument".:wink:
 
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General relativity says that spacetimes satisfying certain physically reasonable assumptions must have begun a finite time ago in a "singular" state, that is, a state that can't be described by general relativity. It's thought that our universe arose from such a state via the big bang.
 
Everything has a beginning (a source) also in Eugene Savov's theory of interaction. He reduces the physically reasonable assumptions to the pure fact of existence. For details you may see the free sample chapters download at http://www.eugenesavov.com
 


Originally posted by jeff
General relativity says that spacetimes satisfying certain physically reasonable assumptions must have begun a finite time ago in a "singular" state, that is, a state that can't be described by general relativity. It's thought that our universe arose from such a state via the big bang.

That's not quite right. The Big Bang theory can't go back to exactly t = 0. At that point there's a lot of uncertainty as to the physics at that point. There is a theory that states that something came before the big bang - it's called the pre-big bang theory.

Pete
 


Originally posted by pmb
The Big Bang theory can't go back to exactly t = 0. At that point there's a lot of uncertainty as to the physics at that point.

Yes, this is correct. Nonetheless, the phrase "a finite time ago" is the one used in framing the singularity theorems, and I was only trying to indicate that for this reason, GR may have been the theory that the poster was looking for. But again, your statement as I've quoted it is of course correct.

Originally posted by pmb
There is a theory that states that something came before the big bang - it's called the pre-big bang theory.

If causation breaks down, then so does the notion of "before": Pre-big bang theory is more ill-defined idea than bonafide scientific theory.
 


Originally posted by jeff
Yes, this is correct. Nonetheless, the phrase "a finite time ago" is the one used in framing the singularity theorems, and I was only trying to indicate that for this reason, GR may have been the theory that the poster was looking for. But again, your statement as I've quoted it is of course correct.



If causation breaks down, then so does the notion of "before": Pre-big bang theory is more ill-defined idea than bonafide scientific theory.

Nothing about pre-big bang violates causation - so why do you bring it up?
 

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