Calculate Friction & Normal Force Work for 8kg Crate on 30° Incline

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction and the normal force on an 8 kg crate being pulled up a 30-degree incline. The crate is subjected to a tension force at an angle, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is provided.

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  • Participants explore the setup of forces acting on the crate, including tension, gravity, friction, and the normal force. There are attempts to express the work done by these forces and to clarify the conditions under which the normal force does no work.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the forces and the equations governing the motion of the crate. There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the frictional force and the normal force based on the setup described.

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Participants note the angles involved in the problem and the need to consider the orientation of the forces relative to the incline. There is mention of the need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions regarding the forces acting on the crate.

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An 8.0 kg crate is pulled up a 30 degree incline by a person pulling on a rope that makes an 18 degree angle with the incline. The tension in the rope is 120 N and the crate's coefficient of kinetic friction on the incline is 0.25. If the crate moves 5.0 m, what is the work done by a.) friction and b.) the normal force?

I calculated the work done by tension in the rope to be 571 J and the work done by gravity to be -196 J. How do I find the friction and normal force?
 
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If you have set things up nicely (namely having the normal force perpendicular to the inclined plane surface) the work done by the normal force should be zero because

[tex]\overrightarrow{F}\centerdot\overrightarrow{r}=W[/tex]

this reduces to

[tex]F\times r \times\cos(\theta)=W[/tex]

because the angle that the normal force makes with the position vector (or the time derivative of it anyway) is [tex]90^\circ[/tex] the work is zero.

As for the work done by friction that will simply be

[tex]W_{friction}=\mu_{k}(F_{A}\sin(\theta_{1})-mg\sin(\theta_{2}))\Delta s[/tex]

where [tex]\theta_{1}[/tex] is the angle that the force is being applied parallel to the plane and [tex]\theta_{2}[/tex] is the angle of the plane parallel to horizontal.
 
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Suppose the x-axis is along the incline and y-axis is perpendicular to this surface...


We have 4 fources on the object : 120N, gravity, friction[tex]{\mu}{\vec N}[/tex], normal force N

So along the x-axis we have :
[tex]F_x = -mgsin(\theta) - {\mu}N + 120cos(18)[/tex]

Along the y-axis we have :
[tex]F_y = 0 = -mgcos(\theta) + N+120sin(18)[/tex]

What you need to know is the magnitude of the friction force, which is equal to [tex]{\mu}N = {\mu}mgcos(\theta)[/tex].


regards
marlon
 
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marlon said:
Suppose the x-axis is along the incline and y-axis is perpendicular to this surface...


We have 4 fources on the object : 120N, gravity, friction[tex]{\mu}{\vec N}[/tex], normal force N

So along the x-axis we have :
[tex]F_x = -mgsin(\theta) - {\mu}N + 120[/tex]

Along the y-axis we have :
[tex]F_y = 0 = -mgcos(\theta) + N[/tex]

What you need to know is the magnitude of the friction force, which is equal to [tex]{\mu}N = {\mu}mgcos(\theta)[/tex].


regards
marlon

Note that the 120N force is making an angle of 18 degrees with the inline. So the equations should be:

[tex]F_x = -mgsin(\theta_1) - {\mu}N + 120cos(\theta_2)[/tex]

[tex]F_y = 0 = -mgcos(\theta_1) + N + 120sin(\theta_2)[/tex]

where [tex]\theta_1=30[/tex], and [tex]\theta_2=18[/tex]

From the [tex]F_y[/tex] equation we get:
[tex]N=mgcos(\theta_1)-120sin(\theta_2)[/tex]
Then you get the frictional force [tex]{\mu}N[/tex]
 
thanks for the correction learningphysics...

marlon
 

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