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T@P
Dec14-04, 10:38 AM
Hey can everyone please post any/all ways they know of "proving" 2 =1? obviously they are all wrong, but some are more "convinving" than others.

For example, heres an old one to start:

e^(2*pi *i) = 1, so ln (e^(2*pi *i)) = ln (1) or 2 * pi * i = 0

clearly pi != 0 and i != 0 so 2 = 0. Although this dosent *prove* 2 = 1, from 2= 0 you can really show that almost anything is true.

any other ideas?

Nylex
Dec14-04, 11:04 AM
I haven't seen that version. The only "proof" I've seen is this one (http://mcraefamily.com/MathHelp/JokeProofFactoring.htm).

If you can't spot what's wrong with it, it's the dividing by a^2 - ab as you're dividing by a(a - b), which is 0 as a = b.

Zurtex
Dec14-04, 12:58 PM
But of course in actuallity:

e^(2*pi*k*i) = 1

And when you take the log of both sides it's the k that is equal to 0.

It's no diffrent from saying sin(2*pi) = 0, so 2=0

jcsd
Dec14-04, 01:00 PM
ln z is a multivalued function in C

ln z = |ln z| + iarg(z)

therefore ln e2πi = 2πi + n2πi for all n in Z.

T@P
Dec16-04, 12:04 PM
anyother ways? there are more such as:

1/(-1) = (-1) /1
taking the square root of both sides yeilds:
1/i = i/1 or -1 = 1, 2 = 0

theCandyman
Dec16-04, 06:54 PM
You seem to enjoy these kind of "proofs" T@P. I think most of the ones here were already posted here (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=50957) , with a bit of changing around. I love the last one in that thread, it actually stumped my Calculus I teacher, but not my TA though, not even for a second (he's working on his doctorate, my instructor has been teaching for about 25 years). These problems are fun for me now, I finally understand enough math to get what they are saying! :rofl:

suresh_jeans
Dec17-04, 02:32 AM
Question: not a Answer....consider the honey bee cell, regular hexagon, with side length is 'R'. we can find the distance between the adjacent cells, regular hexagons, centre's are sqroot3*R. how we can find the distance between the centre's of a cell's which are not adjacent

suresh_jeans
Dec17-04, 02:37 AM
Give any group of order infinite, every element of that group is of finite order?

NateTG
Dec17-04, 10:57 AM
Give any group of order infinite, every element of that group is of finite order?

For any particular infinite cardinality C, take the subgroup of S_C which only contains permutations that permute a finite number of elements.

nicot
Dec21-04, 12:52 PM
(1) X = Y Given
(2) X^2 = XY Multiply both sides by X
(3) X^2 - Y^2 = XY - Y^2 Subtract Y^2 from both sides
(4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y) Factor both sides
(5) (X+Y) = Y Cancel out common factors
(6) Y+Y = Y Substitute in from line (1)
(7) 2Y = Y Collect the Y's
(8) 2 = 1 Divide both sides by Y

T@P
Dec23-04, 11:48 AM
thats fancily dividing by 0, since x = y you cannot divide by (x-y)

i was looking more for proofs that rely on little known rules, but thanks for your input anyway :)

daster
Dec23-04, 11:47 PM
Here's one:

(-x)^2 = x^2
log[(-x)^2] = log(x^2)
2 log(-x) = 2 log(x)
log (-x) = log (x)
-x = x
-1 = 1