Power Series - Can someone me understand them?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding power series, specifically how to determine the interval of convergence using the ratio test. Participants explore the implications of the ratio test results and the process of testing endpoints for convergence.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a power series and states that the ratio test yields |x-2|/4.
  • Another participant agrees and explains that the series converges when |x-2|<4, leading to the interval -2 < x < 6.
  • There is a discussion about determining the center of the series (c=2) and the radius of convergence (R=4).
  • Participants express confusion about how to evaluate the series at the endpoints x=-2 and x=6 to determine convergence or divergence.
  • One participant attempts to evaluate the series at x=-2 and concludes it diverges, while another suggests testing x=6 is necessary but does not provide a resolution.
  • Another participant raises a question about finding limits as n approaches infinity when plugging in values for x.
  • There is a correction from a participant regarding a misunderstanding of the series notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the ratio test and the resulting interval of convergence. However, there is no consensus on how to evaluate the series at the endpoints, and confusion remains regarding the limit processes involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the evaluation of series at specific points and the implications of convergence tests. Some mathematical steps and definitions are not fully resolved, particularly regarding endpoint convergence.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about power series, the ratio test, and convergence criteria in mathematical analysis.

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I don't understand how to get the inteveral of convergence from a problem:

for example:

infinity
_
\
/ -(1)^n(x-2)^n/(n*4^n)
_
n=1

I know you have to use ratio test and it comes out to:
|x-2|/4

The textbook says the series converges when |x-2|<4. How did they come to this conclusion? How do you find c? the answer was c=2. The series converges when -2<x<6 and diverges if either x<-2 or x>6. Can someone explain this also? Thanks
 
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[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{((-1)^n)(x-2)^n}{n4^n}[/tex] converges when a_n < 1 , so |x-2|/4 < 1 => |x-2|< 4.

|x-2| < 4 means that for -2 < x < 6, the series converges. plug x=-2 into the series & see that the series converges @ x=-2. plug x=6 into the series & it converges there also. so the interval of convergence is [-2, 6]
 
hmm...

You just listed the facts and didn't explain them explicitly... anyway I understood most of the stuff through doing the problems. But I still don't understand one thing, when you plug in the x how do you find the limit when n is at infinity, I'm getting confused because of n being the power...

When you plugged in x=2 how do you solve for it?
 
NINHARDCOREFAN said:
I know you have to use ratio test and it comes out to:
|x-2|/4

Right.

The textbook says the series converges when |x-2|<4. How did they come to this conclusion?

They came to it by recognizing that under the ratio test a series converges absolutely if the limit as n goes to infinity of |an+1/an| is less than one. So you get:

|x-2|/4<1

or...

|x-2|<4

How do you find c? the answer was c=2.

When you work the inequality above into the form:

|x-c|<R,

then c is the center of the series and R is the radius of convergence.

The series converges when -2<x<6 and diverges if either x<-2 or x>6. Can someone explain this also? Thanks

Use the definition of the absolute value.

|x-2|<4
-4<(x-2)<4
-2<x<6

Now that doesnt' tell you the endpoint convergence. You still have to test for that. So you plug x=-2 and x=6 into your power series (one at a time, of course) and you see if the resultant infinite series converge or diverge. That will tell you which inequality to put an "equal" sign under, if any.
 
Thanks. But you didn't answer my main question, how do I solve the series after plugging in the x value (into the series)?
 
NINHARDCOREFAN said:
Thanks. But you didn't answer my main question, how do I solve the series after plugging in the x value (into the series)?

Have you not studied infinite series??

If you plug in x=-2, you get:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{((-1)^n)(-2-2)^n}{n4^n}[/tex]
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{((-1)^n)(-4)^n}{n4^n}[/tex]
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{((-1)^n)(-1)^n4^n}{n4^n}[/tex]
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

...which diverges by the integral test.

I'll leave it to you to plug in and test the series at x=6.
 
doh! :frown: it's (x-2)^n not (x-2). just ignore my stuff...
 
NINHARDCOREFAN said:
You just listed the facts and didn't explain them explicitly... anyway I understood most of the stuff through doing the problems. But I still don't understand one thing, when you plug in the x how do you find the limit when n is at infinity, I'm getting confused because of n being the power...

When you plugged in x=2 how do you solve for it?

There isn't necessarily an expression for the result of a sum. People are probably working on a nice expression for
[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^3}[/tex]
right now.

All this problem is asking for is convergence, so:

The ratio between the [itex]n^{th}[/itex] and [itex](n+1)^{th}[/itex] terms is
[tex]\frac{n+1}{n} \frac{(-1)(x-2)}{4}[/tex]
in the limit that turns into
[tex]\frac{(-1)(x-2)}{4}[/tex]
and the ratio must be less than one for the series to converge, so
[tex]\left|\frac{(-1)(x-2)}{4}\right| < 1[/tex]
[tex]\left|(x-2)\right| < 4[/tex]
[tex]-2 < x < 6[/tex]
 

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